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dell4c

15 Nov 2017
12:34:51pm

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Can anyone tell me what these are?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/stamps-Netherlands/263317591729?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140725133649%26meid%3D1cdfb33e478840a296c901a765ff977e%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D382281090673&_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476

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15 Nov 2017
01:05:44pm
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I guess someone is busy creating bogus overprints using a heap of old used Dutch stamps.Sad

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15 Nov 2017
01:59:22pm

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These are so bogus I don't know where to begin.
First of all, these stamps were out of print for a couple of years. Secondly the German occupiers had replaced all stamps showing the queen for Germanic Symbols and Dutch heroes from the 17th century. Other than that the Netherlands were treated differently from for instance Poland. So no swastika and certainly not the old Gothic font (fraktur) because Gowbbels had expressly forbidden its use in 1942.

In short, complete fakes, fantasy or whatever you want to call it. Pity the maker used a perfectly good syncopated perf...

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15 Nov 2017
03:46:53pm
re: Ebay lot Identification

I'm willing to bet that the overprint is over the cancellation, easy to tell with a 20X.

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15 Nov 2017
04:00:06pm

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No need to check that out. It is so evident.
The syncopated perforation was issued in 1925 and it looks like the 30 cents was cancelled on 4 October 1925...
And the swastika on the 12,5 cents syncopated looks like it came out of a cheap ink jet printer, which might very well be the case.

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dell4c

15 Nov 2017
04:52:36pm

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I kind of figured hey were fakes but always good to be sure.

Thanks for the confirmation

Bob

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15 Nov 2017
10:25:59pm
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There is a seller in Germany who creates a ton of high value Hungary overprints on a ink jet.

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18 Nov 2017
06:02:08pm
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Then there is this guy who blocks out the swastika so ebay doesn't put him in jail.

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18 Nov 2017
06:55:02pm

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You have to wonder who makes these rules - obviously someone with no knowledge of history. Swastikas used to be associated with well-being and "good luck". In the early 1900's they were used on postcards as a symbol of good luck, much like the pig and the four leaf clover. They are the "whirling log" of the Mavajo - found on baskets, blankets, etc.

They are still used as a sacred symbol by followers of Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

We are losing touch with the past - you have to judge acts based on the mores contemporary to the time of the act, not today's standards which will also change over time.....

Can someone fix the board - think it is the first link.

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In Arduis Fidelis

19 Nov 2017
12:52:25pm
re: Ebay lot Identification

Talking of people messing about with ink jet printers,
has anyone come across an online outfit called Rebus Reproductions?

They are offering reproductions of GB and Commonwealth stamps.
What I can't get head around is who would buy such a thing?

We had the link below emailed to our Philatelic Society website.
I am sure they expect to get sales from this. Can't see that happening somehow!


http://rebuscollectables.com/wp/

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19 Nov 2017
01:17:28pm
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Hi Webpaper,
Normally eBay errs on the side of throwing every listing they can against the wall, fraudulent or not; whatever makes them money is allowed. But when it comes to legal issues, they get a bit more careful. (I assume that with deep pockets like theirs they are targeted often.)

eBay has a legal obligation to their shareholders to execute proper ‘due diligence’ in complying with laws; whatever those laws might be in whatever worldwide jurisdiction that may apply.

This due diligence is easy to prove by implementing software algorithms which scan and filter for any listing which contain certain key words. So with this one simple step eBay has built a legal defense and some protection for themselves during certain litigations.
Don

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19 Nov 2017
01:54:08pm

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Hi Don,

I do understand, I just find it frustrating. When I was teaching sociology we openly discussed a lot of controversial topics such as this. The sad part was the students had not been taught history in high school - they had no background to enable them to discuss issues - they had been trained to pass tests, not to enjoy thinking and learning.

I am so glad that I retired when I did - I wouldn't last a week in today's academic environment.


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21 Nov 2017
08:49:57am
re: Ebay lot Identification

Hi Everyone;

This is a common problem with links to eBay, and probably other sites as well.

Your link has too many unnecessary characters, and links do not line break. That is causing this
thread to extend into my neighbors apartment. I don't like my neighbor. God gives us friends to
make up for neighbors. Thank God for friends! Big Grin

This is your link as posted:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/stamps-Netherlands/263317591729?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140725133649%26meid%3D1cdfb33e478840a296c901a765ff977e%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D382281090673&_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476

This is your link with all unnecessary giberish removed:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/stamps-Netherlands/263317591729

This link was tested, and worked just fine.

To all members that post links:

1) First test the link to be sure it even works at all. Your's works, but only if you get along with
your neighbors.

2) Test a shorter version of your link until you find a working link that will fit on the screen.
You normally do not need anything after the listing number. In the case of eBay, it is always 12
digits. Other stamp sites may have a different number of digits.

Try my shortened version if you would like, and you will find that it is just fine.

I'm not a computer expert either, and wish I was, oh well. Sad

Just sortin'....
TuskenRaider

PS Do not feel bad tho....lots of members make this mistake all the time. I just posted this for ALL
the members who were not aware of this fact.

I usually do not read threads that require me to go next door to read. I just skip them.

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21 Nov 2017
09:04:42am
re: Ebay lot Identification

An excellent suggestion, Ken Tall Pines! (I had to go into the next room to click the "Like" icon.)

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21 Nov 2017
09:20:09am
re: Ebay lot Identification

Normally long links are handled by website code. No need to bother the users, no need to buy anything (you can use the free Google API). Here is a typical code example.
Image Not Found

There are other examples available if needed; more info here
https://developers.google.com/url-shortener/v1/getting_started
Don

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dell4c

15 Nov 2017
12:34:51pm

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Can anyone tell me what these are?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/stamps-Netherlands/263317591729?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140725133649%26meid%3D1cdfb33e478840a296c901a765ff977e%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D382281090673&_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476

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nigelc

15 Nov 2017
01:05:44pm

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I guess someone is busy creating bogus overprints using a heap of old used Dutch stamps.Sad

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Jansimon

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15 Nov 2017
01:59:22pm

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re: Ebay lot Identification

These are so bogus I don't know where to begin.
First of all, these stamps were out of print for a couple of years. Secondly the German occupiers had replaced all stamps showing the queen for Germanic Symbols and Dutch heroes from the 17th century. Other than that the Netherlands were treated differently from for instance Poland. So no swastika and certainly not the old Gothic font (fraktur) because Gowbbels had expressly forbidden its use in 1942.

In short, complete fakes, fantasy or whatever you want to call it. Pity the maker used a perfectly good syncopated perf...

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StampCollector

15 Nov 2017
03:46:53pm

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I'm willing to bet that the overprint is over the cancellation, easy to tell with a 20X.

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Jansimon

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15 Nov 2017
04:00:06pm

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re: Ebay lot Identification

No need to check that out. It is so evident.
The syncopated perforation was issued in 1925 and it looks like the 30 cents was cancelled on 4 October 1925...
And the swastika on the 12,5 cents syncopated looks like it came out of a cheap ink jet printer, which might very well be the case.

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dell4c

15 Nov 2017
04:52:36pm

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re: Ebay lot Identification

I kind of figured hey were fakes but always good to be sure.

Thanks for the confirmation

Bob

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seanpashby

15 Nov 2017
10:25:59pm

re: Ebay lot Identification

There is a seller in Germany who creates a ton of high value Hungary overprints on a ink jet.

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seanpashby

18 Nov 2017
06:02:08pm

re: Ebay lot Identification

Then there is this guy who blocks out the swastika so ebay doesn't put him in jail.

Image Not Found

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Webpaper

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18 Nov 2017
06:55:02pm

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re: Ebay lot Identification

You have to wonder who makes these rules - obviously someone with no knowledge of history. Swastikas used to be associated with well-being and "good luck". In the early 1900's they were used on postcards as a symbol of good luck, much like the pig and the four leaf clover. They are the "whirling log" of the Mavajo - found on baskets, blankets, etc.

They are still used as a sacred symbol by followers of Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

We are losing touch with the past - you have to judge acts based on the mores contemporary to the time of the act, not today's standards which will also change over time.....

Can someone fix the board - think it is the first link.

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19 Nov 2017
12:52:25pm

re: Ebay lot Identification

Talking of people messing about with ink jet printers,
has anyone come across an online outfit called Rebus Reproductions?

They are offering reproductions of GB and Commonwealth stamps.
What I can't get head around is who would buy such a thing?

We had the link below emailed to our Philatelic Society website.
I am sure they expect to get sales from this. Can't see that happening somehow!


http://rebuscollectables.com/wp/

Bemused
Kim

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19 Nov 2017
01:17:28pm

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Hi Webpaper,
Normally eBay errs on the side of throwing every listing they can against the wall, fraudulent or not; whatever makes them money is allowed. But when it comes to legal issues, they get a bit more careful. (I assume that with deep pockets like theirs they are targeted often.)

eBay has a legal obligation to their shareholders to execute proper ‘due diligence’ in complying with laws; whatever those laws might be in whatever worldwide jurisdiction that may apply.

This due diligence is easy to prove by implementing software algorithms which scan and filter for any listing which contain certain key words. So with this one simple step eBay has built a legal defense and some protection for themselves during certain litigations.
Don

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19 Nov 2017
01:54:08pm

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re: Ebay lot Identification

Hi Don,

I do understand, I just find it frustrating. When I was teaching sociology we openly discussed a lot of controversial topics such as this. The sad part was the students had not been taught history in high school - they had no background to enable them to discuss issues - they had been trained to pass tests, not to enjoy thinking and learning.

I am so glad that I retired when I did - I wouldn't last a week in today's academic environment.


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TuskenRaider

21 Nov 2017
08:49:57am

re: Ebay lot Identification

Hi Everyone;

This is a common problem with links to eBay, and probably other sites as well.

Your link has too many unnecessary characters, and links do not line break. That is causing this
thread to extend into my neighbors apartment. I don't like my neighbor. God gives us friends to
make up for neighbors. Thank God for friends! Big Grin

This is your link as posted:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/stamps-Netherlands/263317591729?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140725133649%26meid%3D1cdfb33e478840a296c901a765ff977e%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D382281090673&_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476

This is your link with all unnecessary giberish removed:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/stamps-Netherlands/263317591729

This link was tested, and worked just fine.

To all members that post links:

1) First test the link to be sure it even works at all. Your's works, but only if you get along with
your neighbors.

2) Test a shorter version of your link until you find a working link that will fit on the screen.
You normally do not need anything after the listing number. In the case of eBay, it is always 12
digits. Other stamp sites may have a different number of digits.

Try my shortened version if you would like, and you will find that it is just fine.

I'm not a computer expert either, and wish I was, oh well. Sad

Just sortin'....
TuskenRaider

PS Do not feel bad tho....lots of members make this mistake all the time. I just posted this for ALL
the members who were not aware of this fact.

I usually do not read threads that require me to go next door to read. I just skip them.

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21 Nov 2017
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An excellent suggestion, Ken Tall Pines! (I had to go into the next room to click the "Like" icon.)

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21 Nov 2017
09:20:09am

re: Ebay lot Identification

Normally long links are handled by website code. No need to bother the users, no need to buy anything (you can use the free Google API). Here is a typical code example.
Image Not Found

There are other examples available if needed; more info here
https://developers.google.com/url-shortener/v1/getting_started
Don

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