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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Dennisen mounts

 

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davic

11 Oct 2013
12:30:43pm
DennisEn! Do I have to say more, grrrrSilly

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11 Oct 2013
01:37:32pm
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I am half way through my last bag.

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11 Oct 2013
03:42:47pm
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the real one...!!!! last spring I sold many of those enveloppes on Ebay, all sold at high price value... between 12$ to 19$ each enveloppe (1000)... I haver to look with a friend hou could possibly have some more for sale. If so, I will put them on SOR auction...

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11 Oct 2013
04:14:33pm
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I'm not sure what is being asked here, but I was under the impression that Dennison mounts were the original mounts.

Dennisen mounts were distributed by Unitrade Associates in Canada. Here's a scan of a few different packets from my hoard.

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The very last image of a packet of DENNISEN mounts are NOT the original DENNISON mounts.
The other two images are original DENNISON mounts.

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11 Oct 2013
04:33:45pm
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hi Liz, Sorry I did not realise that the first email was for "Dennissen" your wright, the reel one is DENNISSON" that wath I am talking about in my previous email... ... similar to yours... I try to put a scan but it's to big, I'll produce an other one and send it later....

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11 Oct 2013
04:40:28pm
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here is the one I talk about...


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11 Oct 2013
07:22:25pm
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Jacques - these are the good ones as I recall. It has been a long time since I had any. Dan

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11 Oct 2013
07:42:53pm
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This is the hinges that were peelable. They were made by Dennison Manufacturing Co., Framingham, Mass. USA

This is the last package I have left. and it is not for sale.

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davic

11 Oct 2013
09:35:23pm
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I know the DennisOns are the original these DennisEns are garbage

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davic

11 Oct 2013
09:38:29pm
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Yes folks did you notice the price for DennisOns now, patches has old and new.

Now selling for $3.00 and up orginally 29c a pack.Thinking

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Liz

11 Oct 2013
09:56:49pm
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Jacques said he was selling them for between $12 and $19 a pack on eBay last year.

I remember buying them when they were 25c a pack Happy

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11 Oct 2013
10:06:42pm
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FYI - The orange packet I show was packaged by Dennison Manufacturing Canada Inc., Bowmanville, ONT Canada, but manufactured in USA.

The 29c Packet was packaged by Dennison Manufacturing Co., Framington, MASS, USA

The other packet is the DENNISEN hinges sold by Unitrade Associates in Toronto, ON Canada



When I used to buy the 29c packets I was earning 40c an hour in wages, so by comparison to today's salaries, they were expensive!

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12 Oct 2013
05:00:08pm
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Liz - you are right, in their day they were expensive, but at even today's inflationary prices I would love to still have these fine hinges. The adhesive on today's hinges is unforgiveable and like permanent ink, nasty stuff. It is why I use mounts on everything now, even used crappy and almost worthless stuff. Maybe some day they will worthy of the same inflationary factor as the hinges are ?????? Can you imagine someday that anything unhinged would sell at a great premium, regardless of what it is !!!! Certainly not in my lifetime that I have left, but someone might really benefit from my using mounts instead of hinges. I still like to mount the mounts with hinges because the mount adhesives are worse than the hinge adhesives.

I think we can all agree that advances in technology are great, but somehow we lost the battle when it came to hinges. The old Dennison's were the Cadillac and still are as far as I am concerned. Some things are just better off left alone.

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14 Oct 2013
01:36:47pm
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Well, I just learned something new today--I bought a couple of the Dennisen mount packets thinking they were the same thing. My bad. I definitely paid more than they were worth! I don't know what the Dennison mounts do, but I can tell you the Dennisen hinges curl something awful.

Is it a good suggestion to toss these and start over buying a pack of Dennison hinges?

BOB (Sadder but wiser)

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19 Oct 2013
01:08:15am
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I have purchased several packages of the original Dennison hinges from $9 to $12 well worth it. I cut them in half, so my 5000 hinge hoard is now 10,000

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19 Oct 2013
04:16:04pm
re: Dennisen mounts

Tickling the memory nerve again.
Didn't the APS acquire the original DenniSON's machinery and try valiantly to make them work successfully ? Or was it someone like Mystic ?
As I recall they finally got one of the retired hinge machine mechanics to look at the settings and adjustments. Then there was some discussion about some slide surface that was worn out and no amount of adjustment could compensate for that. A replacement part would have cost a small fortune to create properly by a skilled iron worker at a forge.

Does anyone recall that attempt ?

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19 Oct 2013
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I believe it was Subway, Charlie.

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19 Oct 2013
06:25:31pm
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I agree with Bobby, I believe it was Subway, who then named them Dennis Son, or something silly like that. There was even a picture on the package of supposedly Dennis's Son!
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19 Oct 2013
07:12:48pm
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I purchased a packet of the Subway "Dennis son" hinges when they came out, about ten years ago. They were just as bad as the current ones.

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20 Oct 2013
12:36:31pm
re: Dennisen mounts

Okay, that sounds right, Subway in Altoona.

I guess they made a determined but futile effort, but not every story ends with the hero rescuing the fair Rapunzel moments before the wicked ogre shaves her head.

For the record, I have been using "Supersafe" hinges, made in Germany, which cost about $3.00 a pack. They work reasonably well as long as the hinges not immediately needed are kept in the envelope, squeezed between something that keeps them from curling up in a thousand tiny rolls. I made a small sleeve out of the corner from an express mail cardboard envelope, just a little bigger than the hinge pack, reinforced by shipping tape that holds the open hinge envelope tightly. Then I only pull out ten or twenty at a time to use, before they commence the rolling ritual.


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michael78651

20 Oct 2013
02:00:20pm
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They are curling from the humidity. Perhaps (and I haven't tried this), but placing one or two or those anti-humidity silicon packs that are in medicine bottles and other containers might help?

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20 Oct 2013
02:52:05pm
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CDJ:

Are those hinges from Lighthouse in Germany? Have you ever tried Lighthouse hinges? I was going to try a pack.

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michael78651

20 Oct 2013
09:05:12pm
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I find that the Supersafe hinges are similar to Prinz. However, Supersafe is marketed in the US by Vidiforms (Showgard people), so I doubt they are Prinz.

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john9913

02 Feb 2014
04:56:29pm

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I have 2 packets of Dennison's stamp hinges that the packet is green with 750 hinges with the marking No 4 Dennison Manufacturing Co of Canada Ltd. Drummondville, Que. Got those 2 packets in the early 1960's. They are still unopened. Still don't know if they are the real one.!!!

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02 Feb 2014
05:20:49pm
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Hi,

if it's from Drummonville, Qc, Canada it should be the real one....
the Dennison should came from Framingham, Mass. USA or From Drummonville Qc, Canada

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02 Feb 2014
05:21:13pm
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John9913 - If the packages say 'DENNISON' and not 'Dennisen' and were purchased in the 1960's, then they are most likely the original mounts.

As mentioned earlier in this post the ones marked DENNIS SON (notice space in name) are NOT the original DENNISON mounts.

Packets marked DENNISEN are NOT the original mounts either!

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10 Aug 2016
11:04:33am
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Awesome! The unopened package I found in one of my old stamp albums are Dennison mounts! And yes, if they do still make them (the real one) and their quality hasn't faltered (big question), I am quite happy to pay extra $$ for them.

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michael78651

10 Aug 2016
11:09:18am
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They are no longer manufactured (sigh...). There is a supply of them being offered by some, but at inflated prices due to the demand. This has been going on for a long time, so there must be an ample supply still available, but you have to pay for it.

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10 Aug 2016
06:15:40pm
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I have been working on breaking down a couple of old collections these past few weeks (1950s to 1970s time frame). All the stamps were mounted with hinges that must have been similar to the old Dennison hinges. It generally took just a slight tug to get the hinge to release from the album page and then the hinge very easily pealed from the back the stamp. It did not matter if the stamp was mint with full gum, the hinge still easily pealed from the stamp with just a very slight mark left on the gum. On some stamps I could not even tell if the stamp had been hinged once the hinge was removed.

If only all stamp hinges behaved in this manner!

The really old collections (pre-1940 and especially pre-1920) and the newest (post-1980) that used stamp hinges both have the same problem - it is impossible to remove the hinge safely from the stamp and the hinge will leave part of itself behind on the album page.

I had plans a number of years ago to mount all of my used stamps using only stamp hinges while my mint stamps would be mounted with Showgard-style mounts. I gave up on using the standard stamp hinges for my used stamps, however, when I couldn't easily remove stamps from the album page to replace when I obtained a better copy of the stamp. I then switched from the Showgard-style stamp mounts (sealed top and bottom with a slit back) to the open-top Davo mounts. With the open-top mounts it is just as easy to adjust the mount height as it is the width, just trim the excess off. So I only use five mount sizes to house all but the very biggest souvenir sheets (full page size).

The switch-out I just mentioned is why I sold off all of those Showgard-style mounts in auction a few months ago. Now I just have to sell off my no-longer-needed hinges (Prinz and Fold-O-Hinge brands). While I purchased the Prinz hinges from a dealer 15 or so years ago, the Fold-O-Hinges I believe I found while breaking down a large lot purchased in an auction. The Fold-O-Hinges have old-style-looking packaging with a 1955 registration mark on the front. Does anyone have any experience with these Fold-O-Hinge hinges? They were manufactured by Harold Cohn & Co in Chicago.

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10 Aug 2016
06:46:04pm
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I have been using the Fold O Hinge that you described with very good success. If you sell, I would be interested in buying some.

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10 Aug 2016
07:00:59pm
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I should get them listed in auctions later this week. Will list both the Fold-O-Hinge brand and the Prinz hinges.

I never did try to use the Fold-O-Hinges, so I had no idea how well they performed. The Prinz hinges performed about as well as other modern stamp hinges, very poorly.

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10 Aug 2016
07:56:20pm
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If I remember correctly, Subway bought the machinery that was used to make the original Dennison hinges, They were planning to duplicate the original adhesive formulas but ran into environmental and USDA issues. I believe that they eventually ended up with the Dennis Son brand.


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michael78651

10 Aug 2016
08:16:00pm
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Subway came up with two different hinges. One was for stamps with no gum, and the other was for gummed stamps. Neither worked worth a darn. The machine, to my knowledge resides in parts in a corner of Subway's facility. You are right where subway was unable to duplicate the gum using the original 3M formula due to a known potential for causing cancer.

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11 Oct 2013
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DennisEn! Do I have to say more, grrrrSilly

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11 Oct 2013
03:42:47pm

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the real one...!!!! last spring I sold many of those enveloppes on Ebay, all sold at high price value... between 12$ to 19$ each enveloppe (1000)... I haver to look with a friend hou could possibly have some more for sale. If so, I will put them on SOR auction...

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11 Oct 2013
04:14:33pm

re: Dennisen mounts

I'm not sure what is being asked here, but I was under the impression that Dennison mounts were the original mounts.

Dennisen mounts were distributed by Unitrade Associates in Canada. Here's a scan of a few different packets from my hoard.

Liz


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The very last image of a packet of DENNISEN mounts are NOT the original DENNISON mounts.
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11 Oct 2013
04:33:45pm

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hi Liz, Sorry I did not realise that the first email was for "Dennissen" your wright, the reel one is DENNISSON" that wath I am talking about in my previous email... ... similar to yours... I try to put a scan but it's to big, I'll produce an other one and send it later....

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11 Oct 2013
04:40:28pm

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here is the one I talk about...


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11 Oct 2013
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Jacques - these are the good ones as I recall. It has been a long time since I had any. Dan

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11 Oct 2013
07:42:53pm

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This is the hinges that were peelable. They were made by Dennison Manufacturing Co., Framingham, Mass. USA

This is the last package I have left. and it is not for sale.

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11 Oct 2013
09:35:23pm

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I know the DennisOns are the original these DennisEns are garbage

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11 Oct 2013
09:38:29pm

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Yes folks did you notice the price for DennisOns now, patches has old and new.

Now selling for $3.00 and up orginally 29c a pack.Thinking

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11 Oct 2013
09:56:49pm

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Jacques said he was selling them for between $12 and $19 a pack on eBay last year.

I remember buying them when they were 25c a pack Happy

Liz

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11 Oct 2013
10:06:42pm

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FYI - The orange packet I show was packaged by Dennison Manufacturing Canada Inc., Bowmanville, ONT Canada, but manufactured in USA.

The 29c Packet was packaged by Dennison Manufacturing Co., Framington, MASS, USA

The other packet is the DENNISEN hinges sold by Unitrade Associates in Toronto, ON Canada



When I used to buy the 29c packets I was earning 40c an hour in wages, so by comparison to today's salaries, they were expensive!

Liz

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12 Oct 2013
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Liz - you are right, in their day they were expensive, but at even today's inflationary prices I would love to still have these fine hinges. The adhesive on today's hinges is unforgiveable and like permanent ink, nasty stuff. It is why I use mounts on everything now, even used crappy and almost worthless stuff. Maybe some day they will worthy of the same inflationary factor as the hinges are ?????? Can you imagine someday that anything unhinged would sell at a great premium, regardless of what it is !!!! Certainly not in my lifetime that I have left, but someone might really benefit from my using mounts instead of hinges. I still like to mount the mounts with hinges because the mount adhesives are worse than the hinge adhesives.

I think we can all agree that advances in technology are great, but somehow we lost the battle when it came to hinges. The old Dennison's were the Cadillac and still are as far as I am concerned. Some things are just better off left alone.

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14 Oct 2013
01:36:47pm

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Well, I just learned something new today--I bought a couple of the Dennisen mount packets thinking they were the same thing. My bad. I definitely paid more than they were worth! I don't know what the Dennison mounts do, but I can tell you the Dennisen hinges curl something awful.

Is it a good suggestion to toss these and start over buying a pack of Dennison hinges?

BOB (Sadder but wiser)

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19 Oct 2013
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I have purchased several packages of the original Dennison hinges from $9 to $12 well worth it. I cut them in half, so my 5000 hinge hoard is now 10,000

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re: Dennisen mounts

Tickling the memory nerve again.
Didn't the APS acquire the original DenniSON's machinery and try valiantly to make them work successfully ? Or was it someone like Mystic ?
As I recall they finally got one of the retired hinge machine mechanics to look at the settings and adjustments. Then there was some discussion about some slide surface that was worn out and no amount of adjustment could compensate for that. A replacement part would have cost a small fortune to create properly by a skilled iron worker at a forge.

Does anyone recall that attempt ?

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I believe it was Subway, Charlie.

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19 Oct 2013
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I agree with Bobby, I believe it was Subway, who then named them Dennis Son, or something silly like that. There was even a picture on the package of supposedly Dennis's Son!
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19 Oct 2013
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I purchased a packet of the Subway "Dennis son" hinges when they came out, about ten years ago. They were just as bad as the current ones.

David

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re: Dennisen mounts

Okay, that sounds right, Subway in Altoona.

I guess they made a determined but futile effort, but not every story ends with the hero rescuing the fair Rapunzel moments before the wicked ogre shaves her head.

For the record, I have been using "Supersafe" hinges, made in Germany, which cost about $3.00 a pack. They work reasonably well as long as the hinges not immediately needed are kept in the envelope, squeezed between something that keeps them from curling up in a thousand tiny rolls. I made a small sleeve out of the corner from an express mail cardboard envelope, just a little bigger than the hinge pack, reinforced by shipping tape that holds the open hinge envelope tightly. Then I only pull out ten or twenty at a time to use, before they commence the rolling ritual.


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20 Oct 2013
02:00:20pm

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They are curling from the humidity. Perhaps (and I haven't tried this), but placing one or two or those anti-humidity silicon packs that are in medicine bottles and other containers might help?

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20 Oct 2013
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CDJ:

Are those hinges from Lighthouse in Germany? Have you ever tried Lighthouse hinges? I was going to try a pack.

David

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20 Oct 2013
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I find that the Supersafe hinges are similar to Prinz. However, Supersafe is marketed in the US by Vidiforms (Showgard people), so I doubt they are Prinz.

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02 Feb 2014
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I have 2 packets of Dennison's stamp hinges that the packet is green with 750 hinges with the marking No 4 Dennison Manufacturing Co of Canada Ltd. Drummondville, Que. Got those 2 packets in the early 1960's. They are still unopened. Still don't know if they are the real one.!!!

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02 Feb 2014
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Hi,

if it's from Drummonville, Qc, Canada it should be the real one....
the Dennison should came from Framingham, Mass. USA or From Drummonville Qc, Canada

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02 Feb 2014
05:21:13pm

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John9913 - If the packages say 'DENNISON' and not 'Dennisen' and were purchased in the 1960's, then they are most likely the original mounts.

As mentioned earlier in this post the ones marked DENNIS SON (notice space in name) are NOT the original DENNISON mounts.

Packets marked DENNISEN are NOT the original mounts either!

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10 Aug 2016
11:04:33am

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Awesome! The unopened package I found in one of my old stamp albums are Dennison mounts! And yes, if they do still make them (the real one) and their quality hasn't faltered (big question), I am quite happy to pay extra $$ for them.

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10 Aug 2016
11:09:18am

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They are no longer manufactured (sigh...). There is a supply of them being offered by some, but at inflated prices due to the demand. This has been going on for a long time, so there must be an ample supply still available, but you have to pay for it.

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10 Aug 2016
06:15:40pm

re: Dennisen mounts

I have been working on breaking down a couple of old collections these past few weeks (1950s to 1970s time frame). All the stamps were mounted with hinges that must have been similar to the old Dennison hinges. It generally took just a slight tug to get the hinge to release from the album page and then the hinge very easily pealed from the back the stamp. It did not matter if the stamp was mint with full gum, the hinge still easily pealed from the stamp with just a very slight mark left on the gum. On some stamps I could not even tell if the stamp had been hinged once the hinge was removed.

If only all stamp hinges behaved in this manner!

The really old collections (pre-1940 and especially pre-1920) and the newest (post-1980) that used stamp hinges both have the same problem - it is impossible to remove the hinge safely from the stamp and the hinge will leave part of itself behind on the album page.

I had plans a number of years ago to mount all of my used stamps using only stamp hinges while my mint stamps would be mounted with Showgard-style mounts. I gave up on using the standard stamp hinges for my used stamps, however, when I couldn't easily remove stamps from the album page to replace when I obtained a better copy of the stamp. I then switched from the Showgard-style stamp mounts (sealed top and bottom with a slit back) to the open-top Davo mounts. With the open-top mounts it is just as easy to adjust the mount height as it is the width, just trim the excess off. So I only use five mount sizes to house all but the very biggest souvenir sheets (full page size).

The switch-out I just mentioned is why I sold off all of those Showgard-style mounts in auction a few months ago. Now I just have to sell off my no-longer-needed hinges (Prinz and Fold-O-Hinge brands). While I purchased the Prinz hinges from a dealer 15 or so years ago, the Fold-O-Hinges I believe I found while breaking down a large lot purchased in an auction. The Fold-O-Hinges have old-style-looking packaging with a 1955 registration mark on the front. Does anyone have any experience with these Fold-O-Hinge hinges? They were manufactured by Harold Cohn & Co in Chicago.

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rickben2

10 Aug 2016
06:46:04pm

re: Dennisen mounts

I have been using the Fold O Hinge that you described with very good success. If you sell, I would be interested in buying some.

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okstamps

10 Aug 2016
07:00:59pm

re: Dennisen mounts

I should get them listed in auctions later this week. Will list both the Fold-O-Hinge brand and the Prinz hinges.

I never did try to use the Fold-O-Hinges, so I had no idea how well they performed. The Prinz hinges performed about as well as other modern stamp hinges, very poorly.

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copy55555

10 Aug 2016
07:56:20pm

re: Dennisen mounts

If I remember correctly, Subway bought the machinery that was used to make the original Dennison hinges, They were planning to duplicate the original adhesive formulas but ran into environmental and USDA issues. I believe that they eventually ended up with the Dennis Son brand.


Tad

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michael78651

10 Aug 2016
08:16:00pm

re: Dennisen mounts

Subway came up with two different hinges. One was for stamps with no gum, and the other was for gummed stamps. Neither worked worth a darn. The machine, to my knowledge resides in parts in a corner of Subway's facility. You are right where subway was unable to duplicate the gum using the original 3M formula due to a known potential for causing cancer.

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