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greenmouse
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29 Dec 2011
04:14:48am
Hello, does anyone know if these security Machins were printed without the oval die cut tab? Something like the Machin in the pic but without the tabs. All the best. Tim.

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Jansimon
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29 Dec 2011
04:32:39am

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re: Security Machins

Do you mean the two slits in the lower part of the stamp? I do not think the security Machins were issued without those slits, but perhaps the Adminware site has the answer?
(http://www.adminware.ca/machin.htm)

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Liz
29 Dec 2011
05:18:38am
re: Security Machins

http://www.adminware.ca/machin/m_security.htm

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greenmouse
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29 Dec 2011
09:39:07am
re: Security Machins

My thanks to Liz and Jan Simon for the URL's.
It seems that they were issued in 2010 but only 10,000 which makes them slightly scarce compared to other Machins; not counting those issued in booklets. Here's what the site states.

Centre band phosphor
OFNP De La Rue May 13/10 Roll of 10,000 PVA None 10 + R


All the best.
Tim.

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Jansimon
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29 Dec 2011
09:48:21am

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re: Security Machins

Wouldn't that mean these stamps were issued in rolls of 10,000? I cannot imagine only 10,000 were made in total.

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Plantman1951
29 Dec 2011
10:05:57am

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re: Security Machins

Hi

Just to let you know that thease security machins are still on general release in the UK both 1st (gold) and 2nd class (blue) in sheet, coil and booklet format. There are also some general values that have the security slits too. However to differentiate there are different security prints as for example in the link below:

http://norphil.blogspot.com/2010/04/security-machins-three-new-stamps.html

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=27806

These new security machins are only issued with the security tabs to prevent re-use in the post as the slits have been designed such that they remain on paper when the stamp is removed. (Unless you use one of the tried and tested method of S/A stamps).

Prior issues of the srtandard UK postage stamps just had a plain blue background with elliptical holes in the side perforations

Hope this helps


Stuart

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cdj1122
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29 Dec 2011
09:09:24pm
re: Security Machins

We discussed the problem of the 10,000 roll stamps on the Machin site some time ago.
The Click MRIL variety was used by Royal Mail in it's Royal Mail invitation advertizing and one of my friends in the UK was kind enough to send me his cover with the MRIL usage.

"" ....I think we may be seeing the inexorable law of "Supply and Demand' at work.
A stamp that is issued in rolls of 10,000 is a little difficult for the average collector to buy in the expectation of using the excess on personal mail.
Even a well financed dealer might want to think over the purchase of such a large quantity and tieing almost £4,000 up for the forseeable future.
That makes getting a single copy for a collection or even a small strip difficult for you and me and we feel that getting even a used one is good fortune.
Then the fact that the very people who will purchase rolls of 10,000, even the mail agency itself, actually do buy the roll for (heaven forfend) genuine postal use and the stamp becomes fairly common to find in kiloware.
At this point examples may be in great demand like the Sierra Leone "Face on Mars" s/s of recent memory. Cataloges may list them at an inflated value, and we all know that SG as well as Scott seem to hate to lower a listing once enshrined on their sacred pages.
But stamps issued in 10,000 item rolls should not, over time, be difficult to find.
So we shall see what we shall see. ...""




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Plantman1951
31 Dec 2011
06:59:37am

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re: Security Machins

Just one small note re my earlier post re security machins being a norm in all new machin issues in the UK.

Have just caught up with the latest SG news re 2012 issues and there will be a diamond blue 1st class machin isued to celebrate the Queens Diamond Jubilee.

This will not have the security tabs but goes back to the elliptical design and will have the word Diamond Jubilee as the security etching and wll appear in Feb as sheet, Business sheet and booklet forms.

There will also be a souveneir sheet with this included along with five other stamps.

Can provide scans of designs if anyone out there is interested.

Have a great New Year and hope it is a good one for all SOR members

Stuart

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George
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31 Dec 2011
02:54:32pm
re: Security Machins

(Sorry haven't been around for a while...)

With an issue like the Machins where new values and types like are still being issued (like the security issues being discussed here), do people have any tips for how you arrange them in your collection?

Also, how do you collect used security issues? On piece? When I tried to soak the first one I got on paper, it turned into shreds...

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michael78651
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01 Jan 2012
09:58:33am
re: Security Machins

The Machins are the modern day version of the Washington-Franklins. As for how to arrange them in a collection...I have seen so many different ways. It was confusing to the catalog makers as well. Scott moved them all to the back of the Great Britain listings many years ago. I think they went too far where not all needed to go there.

The listing method created some very long sets, but took each printing type and grouped the stamps together by value. The set was closed out when a new printing type came along, such as the change to decimal currency, syncopated perfs, and new security printing.

I have seen people who buy many stockbooks and arrange the stamps only by face value. I guess it just comes down to how do you want to arrange them.

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Plantman1951
03 Jan 2012
09:53:45am

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re: Security Machins

Hi everyone

Think we are back to the "how do we soak the unsoakable SA issue" with the security machins and this has been discussed at great length in other threads.

Being from the UK and collecting these, I personally am saving these on piece, closely trimmed, although I have managed to purchase a couple where someone has been good enough
to do the soaking already.

I use the Stanley Gibbons Windsor album which has quite a comprehensive listing of these within the album. These we re-printed a couple of years ago so are pretty much up to date but it is so difficult to keep up with what has been issued as many of these appear in the GB Prestige booklets. An expensive purchase if you are only after mint specimins.

Stuart

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George
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06 Jan 2012
06:00:30pm
re: Security Machins

Well I asked the soaking question as an aside. I think I'll collect them on piece for the time being...

In terms of how to arrange them, which was my main question, I think I'll sort out the pre-elliptical perf decimals and start with those. At least that should keep me busy for a while.

Would I be correct in saying that they are no longer making them fully perforated (i.e., no elliptical perfs)?

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cdj1122
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10 Jan 2012
05:21:05pm
re: Security Machins

" ... Would I be correct in saying that they are no longer making them fully perforated ..."

Yes you would, as the interrupted perforations have been increasingly used son UK stamps since they were introduced on certain high value "Castle" UK stamps in 1992. They were extended to the NVIs shortly thereafter and after a few years all the Machins have been issued with "Elliptical" perforations, one on each long side, which is called an E2 type. Just to confound those who love this issue, the actual ellipse shape can be seen best on pairs of stamps and the shapes of the die used by different printers can help in identifying the source on some issues.
Interestingly the very attractive £10 Britiannia stamp isue is an E4 type ellipse example. It has two sets of interrupted perforations on the top and two on the bottom.

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cdj1122
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10 Jan 2012
05:34:22pm
re: Security Machins

Besides the discussions here about the Security cuts on the Machins, we have also discussed soaking these stamps in several threads in our Machin Forum, among them this topic

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