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General Philatelic/Identify This? : A modern Dutch error stamp?

 

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Jansimon
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05 May 2025
03:42:09am

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Yesterday evening I soaked a batch of stamps and when I started to put them in the books this morning I noted something strange. When I was about to put this 2010 definitive stamp with the others already in the duplicates book, I saw it was different.

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At first I thought it was just a different stamp from the set of 10, but the catalogue didn't show anything like this. And upon further investigation, it is a very strange picture.
Could this be a print error?
Are such errors listed or could it be unique?

Jan-Simon


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05 May 2025
03:49:23am
re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

The more I look at it, it almost looks scuffed. I say that because it looks like not only was part of the ink taken away but it also looks like part of the cancel has been removed.

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05 May 2025
04:28:56am

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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

I agree that the cancellation is a bit sloppy. But when you look closely, you can see cancel traces on white where there should have been colour...

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05 May 2025
10:26:03am
re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Use the water marking proces, or use ImageSeluth on the back of the stamp, hope this helps.

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05 May 2025
02:05:31pm

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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

I am afraid I do not understand how this might help in finding out whether this is a printing error or not.

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05 May 2025
04:09:46pm
re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Of course not!

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05 May 2025
04:13:45pm
re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

"Of course not!"


That's a real snarky comment to someone who's been in the stamp business for a very long time! If you can't make a nicer comment you shouldn't make one at all!!
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05 May 2025
04:48:47pm

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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Perhaps I was asking for it, with such a question against my better judgement.

Anyway, I held the stamp against the light and saw something interesting. It looks like there was some kind of coating, perhaps fluorescent, over the white area and a shade of the red and yellow parts of the stamp can be seen. It is as if those parts were somehow not attached to the paper and moved over the stamp.

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05 May 2025
06:23:54pm
re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

It looks as if the red and yellow of the design has been printed correctly and then something has stuck to certain parts and then moved them about.

Have you tried looking at it under UV light? This sometimes throws up what cannot be seen with the naked eye.

I would still try Image Sleuth as it produces extremely thin layers and it might show that this is a multiple layer thing rather than a singular colour layer problem.

It looks more like a chemical spillage to move or corrupt one or two layers of ink.

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06 May 2025
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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

I will see if I can install that program and let it do its wonders. At this moment, I still have no clue what insights might come from it, but I will give it a try. I will also try to relocate my UV light. It is one of those things that always go missing...

I tend to agree with you Ian, it certainly looks like the stamp was printed correctly and then something happened, like some kind of chemical reaction to get to this result. It makes me wonder however, how the design seems to have moved across the paper. I would have expected the ink to dissolve.

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06 May 2025
05:39:29am
re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Having a closer look I notice that the white letters R Z O are on top of the yellow but to the left of it the yellow is on top of the white therefore I am more convinced this is chemical damage.

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Jansimon

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05 May 2025
03:42:09am

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Yesterday evening I soaked a batch of stamps and when I started to put them in the books this morning I noted something strange. When I was about to put this 2010 definitive stamp with the others already in the duplicates book, I saw it was different.

Image Not Found

At first I thought it was just a different stamp from the set of 10, but the catalogue didn't show anything like this. And upon further investigation, it is a very strange picture.
Could this be a print error?
Are such errors listed or could it be unique?

Jan-Simon


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05 May 2025
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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

The more I look at it, it almost looks scuffed. I say that because it looks like not only was part of the ink taken away but it also looks like part of the cancel has been removed.

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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

I agree that the cancellation is a bit sloppy. But when you look closely, you can see cancel traces on white where there should have been colour...

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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Use the water marking proces, or use ImageSeluth on the back of the stamp, hope this helps.

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05 May 2025
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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

I am afraid I do not understand how this might help in finding out whether this is a printing error or not.

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05 May 2025
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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Of course not!

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05 May 2025
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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

"Of course not!"


That's a real snarky comment to someone who's been in the stamp business for a very long time! If you can't make a nicer comment you shouldn't make one at all!!
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05 May 2025
04:48:47pm

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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Perhaps I was asking for it, with such a question against my better judgement.

Anyway, I held the stamp against the light and saw something interesting. It looks like there was some kind of coating, perhaps fluorescent, over the white area and a shade of the red and yellow parts of the stamp can be seen. It is as if those parts were somehow not attached to the paper and moved over the stamp.

Image Not Found

Image Not Found

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Brechinite

05 May 2025
06:23:54pm

re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

It looks as if the red and yellow of the design has been printed correctly and then something has stuck to certain parts and then moved them about.

Have you tried looking at it under UV light? This sometimes throws up what cannot be seen with the naked eye.

I would still try Image Sleuth as it produces extremely thin layers and it might show that this is a multiple layer thing rather than a singular colour layer problem.

It looks more like a chemical spillage to move or corrupt one or two layers of ink.

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06 May 2025
03:23:48am

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re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

I will see if I can install that program and let it do its wonders. At this moment, I still have no clue what insights might come from it, but I will give it a try. I will also try to relocate my UV light. It is one of those things that always go missing...

I tend to agree with you Ian, it certainly looks like the stamp was printed correctly and then something happened, like some kind of chemical reaction to get to this result. It makes me wonder however, how the design seems to have moved across the paper. I would have expected the ink to dissolve.

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Brechinite

06 May 2025
05:39:29am

re: A modern Dutch error stamp?

Having a closer look I notice that the white letters R Z O are on top of the yellow but to the left of it the yellow is on top of the white therefore I am more convinced this is chemical damage.

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