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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Another Unknown

 

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mbo1142
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

04 Jan 2025
01:33:42pm
Is it even a stamp or just a cut out?

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04 Jan 2025
01:56:21pm

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re: Another Unknown

Armenia #280, but probably a forgery even though these stamps have minimal value.

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04 Jan 2025
04:27:25pm
re: Another Unknown

Hi,

I believe this is the original design but likely a reprint given the saturation of colour and the relative blotchiness of the print.

The forgery that I've seen described has differences in the bottom left frame and below the figure 3 at the top.

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04 Jan 2025
05:12:20pm
re: Another Unknown

Many, many thanks.

First, as much as I poured over this stamp, I did not catch the 3 in the upper left. Old age eye sight. Surprise

Second, for a not really WW collector, what are the defining characteristics that make this stamp Armenian?

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04 Jan 2025
05:37:48pm

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re: Another Unknown

I suppose one must have some experience with them in order to recognize these as Armenian. Armenia uses a different script so that is a first clue. I cannot decipher it, but I know what it looks like. It is a bit of a mixture between our latin alphabet and Greek and cyrillic. This stamp is from the 1920s, when Armenia was - for a short time - an independent republic, which was called the Socialist Soviet Republic of Armenia between 1920 and 1922. The abbreviation of this in Armenian is what you see under the Soviet hammer and sickle.

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

04 Jan 2025
05:51:09pm
re: Another Unknown

Jansimon,

Many thanks. I noticed the U.b. or U.h.(?) under the hammer and sickle, but was unable to discover what it meant.

Never to old to learn something new. And I thought the W/F were hard.

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04 Jan 2025
06:39:30pm
re: Another Unknown

The Z-shaped letters (or here perhaps more like sigma-shaped letters) are the Armenian capital letter H.

The same letter was used in the many earlier Armenian stamps as a one letter overprint on Russian arms definitive stamps.

The Armenian name for the country is Hayastan.

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

04 Jan 2025
06:56:30pm
re: Another Unknown

Nigel,

Thanks for the information. If I understand what you have told me, the lines on both sides of the U.b (?), the Z-shapes are actually Armenian alphabet letters. I believe that may be what Jansimon was also trying to tell me. I would never in a million years ever thought that.

Well I have at least 1 Armenian stamp (forgery/reprint) in my collection.

Again thanks to all for the information. It helped my head ache go away.

Mel

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
04 Jan 2025
01:33:42pm

Is it even a stamp or just a cut out?

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Jansimon

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04 Jan 2025
01:56:21pm

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re: Another Unknown

Armenia #280, but probably a forgery even though these stamps have minimal value.

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nigelc

04 Jan 2025
04:27:25pm

re: Another Unknown

Hi,

I believe this is the original design but likely a reprint given the saturation of colour and the relative blotchiness of the print.

The forgery that I've seen described has differences in the bottom left frame and below the figure 3 at the top.

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
04 Jan 2025
05:12:20pm

re: Another Unknown

Many, many thanks.

First, as much as I poured over this stamp, I did not catch the 3 in the upper left. Old age eye sight. Surprise

Second, for a not really WW collector, what are the defining characteristics that make this stamp Armenian?

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Jansimon

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04 Jan 2025
05:37:48pm

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re: Another Unknown

I suppose one must have some experience with them in order to recognize these as Armenian. Armenia uses a different script so that is a first clue. I cannot decipher it, but I know what it looks like. It is a bit of a mixture between our latin alphabet and Greek and cyrillic. This stamp is from the 1920s, when Armenia was - for a short time - an independent republic, which was called the Socialist Soviet Republic of Armenia between 1920 and 1922. The abbreviation of this in Armenian is what you see under the Soviet hammer and sickle.

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
04 Jan 2025
05:51:09pm

re: Another Unknown

Jansimon,

Many thanks. I noticed the U.b. or U.h.(?) under the hammer and sickle, but was unable to discover what it meant.

Never to old to learn something new. And I thought the W/F were hard.

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nigelc

04 Jan 2025
06:39:30pm

re: Another Unknown

The Z-shaped letters (or here perhaps more like sigma-shaped letters) are the Armenian capital letter H.

The same letter was used in the many earlier Armenian stamps as a one letter overprint on Russian arms definitive stamps.

The Armenian name for the country is Hayastan.

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
04 Jan 2025
06:56:30pm

re: Another Unknown

Nigel,

Thanks for the information. If I understand what you have told me, the lines on both sides of the U.b (?), the Z-shapes are actually Armenian alphabet letters. I believe that may be what Jansimon was also trying to tell me. I would never in a million years ever thought that.

Well I have at least 1 Armenian stamp (forgery/reprint) in my collection.

Again thanks to all for the information. It helped my head ache go away.

Mel

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