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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

 

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27 Jan 2024
12:17:26pm

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Benque

27 Jan 2024
12:46:52pm
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

I've seen those inscriptions, or "tughras" before. Where, oh where? Turkey perhaps? It will come to me sooner or later.

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Greaden

27 Jan 2024
08:39:07pm
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Whatever it is, it is not Arabic. So Turkey, Persia, Indian states, etc are possibilities.

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Benque

28 Jan 2024
02:52:10am
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

I've been searching through my admittedly limited resources, and have not yet found anything close enough to claim a definite starting point on the road to identification. But, everything in the design is familiar. The archway feels Arabic to me, and is somewhat similar to some older Saudi Arabian stamps. Also, I just know I have seen it before. The prominence of the flowers on each side of the arch would appear to imply significant meaning, but these have not the same feeling of familiarity to me. My curiosity is piqued. I need to know! Hoping for that "Aha!" moment, but would also be very happy to see another solve this mystery. This is fun.

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28 Jan 2024
03:57:36am

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Bokhara khanate.
The question is whether these are just bogus or have been used as real postage stamps

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28 Jan 2024
01:24:22pm
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Not found anything similar in Scott, but because of the flower design, a chrysanthemum, maybe a Japanese revenue/savings stamp. The script looks oriental rather than Arabic, to me anyway.

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28 Jan 2024
02:44:29pm

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Researching further after my identification of this stamp as Bokhara, I found a review of a recent book:

Wolfgang Baldus: The classic postage stamps of Bokhara.
92 p., A5, colour and b/w ill.
Munich: Baldus, 2011.
Price: 25 €. Orders: wolfgang-baldus@t-online.de

This book is an in-depth study of the Bokhara stamps and their origins.

Quoting the review (in The Middle East Philatelic Bulletin 21, pg. 104-105:

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28 Jan 2024
02:49:30pm
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Well I guess I was up the wrong tree, have just found this on Wikipedia as a reverse image.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ...
But see that Jansimon has already provided the answer. Think I need a new brain cell as the present one seems to have gone elsewhere.

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Benque

28 Jan 2024
03:28:09pm
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Very interesting story Jansimon. I suppose these "fakes"(?) must be worth quite a pretty penny, due to their scarcity.

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28 Jan 2024
03:47:45pm

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I do not know. For a high value you need two things: supply and demand. On the supply side, it is said that only a few exist, but what about demand? Are there many people looking for these stamps and willing to pay a lot to get it?
Apart from that, nowadays even fakes get forged so how do you know if the one that is offered is "genuine"?

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29 Jan 2024
10:36:02am
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Thanks stampbaby and Jansimon. This is is a fascinating story. Happy

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05 Feb 2024
09:06:31am
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Fascinating stuff!

This sounds like an interesting book to read.

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06 Feb 2024
07:16:11am
re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

On another there is a thread titled "Who is afraid of Indian states?" That is me.

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27 Jan 2024
12:17:26pm

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Benque

27 Jan 2024
12:46:52pm

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

I've seen those inscriptions, or "tughras" before. Where, oh where? Turkey perhaps? It will come to me sooner or later.

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Greaden

27 Jan 2024
08:39:07pm

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Whatever it is, it is not Arabic. So Turkey, Persia, Indian states, etc are possibilities.

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Benque

28 Jan 2024
02:52:10am

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

I've been searching through my admittedly limited resources, and have not yet found anything close enough to claim a definite starting point on the road to identification. But, everything in the design is familiar. The archway feels Arabic to me, and is somewhat similar to some older Saudi Arabian stamps. Also, I just know I have seen it before. The prominence of the flowers on each side of the arch would appear to imply significant meaning, but these have not the same feeling of familiarity to me. My curiosity is piqued. I need to know! Hoping for that "Aha!" moment, but would also be very happy to see another solve this mystery. This is fun.

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Jansimon

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28 Jan 2024
03:57:36am

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re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Bokhara khanate.
The question is whether these are just bogus or have been used as real postage stamps

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sheepshanks

28 Jan 2024
01:24:22pm

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Not found anything similar in Scott, but because of the flower design, a chrysanthemum, maybe a Japanese revenue/savings stamp. The script looks oriental rather than Arabic, to me anyway.

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Jansimon

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28 Jan 2024
02:44:29pm

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re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Researching further after my identification of this stamp as Bokhara, I found a review of a recent book:

Wolfgang Baldus: The classic postage stamps of Bokhara.
92 p., A5, colour and b/w ill.
Munich: Baldus, 2011.
Price: 25 €. Orders: wolfgang-baldus@t-online.de

This book is an in-depth study of the Bokhara stamps and their origins.

Quoting the review (in The Middle East Philatelic Bulletin 21, pg. 104-105:

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sheepshanks

28 Jan 2024
02:49:30pm

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Well I guess I was up the wrong tree, have just found this on Wikipedia as a reverse image.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ...
But see that Jansimon has already provided the answer. Think I need a new brain cell as the present one seems to have gone elsewhere.

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Benque

28 Jan 2024
03:28:09pm

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Very interesting story Jansimon. I suppose these "fakes"(?) must be worth quite a pretty penny, due to their scarcity.

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Jansimon

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28 Jan 2024
03:47:45pm

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re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

I do not know. For a high value you need two things: supply and demand. On the supply side, it is said that only a few exist, but what about demand? Are there many people looking for these stamps and willing to pay a lot to get it?
Apart from that, nowadays even fakes get forged so how do you know if the one that is offered is "genuine"?

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nigelc

29 Jan 2024
10:36:02am

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Thanks stampbaby and Jansimon. This is is a fascinating story. Happy

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musicman

APS #213005
05 Feb 2024
09:06:31am

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

Fascinating stuff!

This sounds like an interesting book to read.

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Al
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06 Feb 2024
07:16:11am

re: Mystery Stamps. Maybe India Feudal States Stamps?

On another there is a thread titled "Who is afraid of Indian states?" That is me.

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