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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Bavaria Mystery

 

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BWSchulz

24 Sep 2023
09:49:09am
I found this included in a lot of Bavarian stamps. What is it? Is it a stationary corner? A revenue? Does anyone know? All help greatly appreciated.
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24 Sep 2023
01:12:39pm
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Any chance of a decent sized image, might help us give some advice.

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BWSchulz

24 Sep 2023
04:23:39pm
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the posting system rejects larger images. But, you can see the original ebay image here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/145280273871. Scroll down the page to the image and click on that.

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24 Sep 2023
04:50:37pm

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re: Bavaria Mystery

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Does this help?

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BWSchulz

26 Sep 2023
04:53:15pm
re: Bavaria Mystery

Thanks for posting an improved image. Alas, still no solution to the problem.

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27 Sep 2023
02:10:19am

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No, no idea what this is...

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1898

27 Sep 2023
09:12:19am
re: Bavaria Mystery

Reverse scan please!

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27 Sep 2023
09:35:11am
re: Bavaria Mystery

"Reverse scan please!"


Why???
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28 Sep 2023
06:50:25am

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Apart from the fact that it is unclear to me as well how scanning the reverse could help in identifying this item, there is a practical problem as this is part of a lot offered on ebay. You'd have to ask the seller.

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28 Sep 2023
10:16:02am
re: Bavaria Mystery

I know what it's NOT.

1) No Telephon-Billets
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2) No Flugmarke
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3) No Telegrafenmarken
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4) No Retourmarken
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5) No Portomarken
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6) No Portofreiheitsmarken
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7) No Dienstmarken
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28 Sep 2023
10:28:09am

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Process of elimination Big Grin

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28 Sep 2023
10:30:55am
re: Bavaria Mystery

8) No Eisenbahn marken
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9) No Steuermarken
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I do not think it is a stamp.


Or it has to be PRIVATPOST or STADTPOST.

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28 Sep 2023
10:54:58am

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In most if not all cases, it is mentioned one way or another that it is local or city mail, isn't it? This only says Bayern, which to me is no indication it is a local...

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1898

29 Sep 2023
12:11:33am
re: Bavaria Mystery

I read the original posters posting, I thought the collector had the stamp in question.

So I understand why a reverse scan is not possible!

Often times right and proper examination of the reverse side of a stamp can help in it's identification.

When I start to identify a stamp I always examine the reverse side first and make notes, then examine the front side. A friends Mr. Inman, and Mr. Neiss both taught me to always examine the reverse side first and make notes! (both of my friends are not members of SOR, one is dead and the other dislikes SOR)

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BWSchulz

29 Sep 2023
03:51:05am
re: Bavaria Mystery

I own the stamp. There is nothing to scan on the reverse. It is plain white with a hinge remnant. It is vaguely similar to the revenues of 1882, but not close enough to identify it as a revenue.

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that this is a trial proof for something.

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29 Sep 2023
01:48:23pm
re: Bavaria Mystery

Just a thought , it could be from a childrens toy post office game. These are still offered today.

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29 Sep 2023
04:01:14pm

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"Kinderpost" is what you're referring to. Interesting thought. Most, if not all of what I have seen do not have a country name on the "stamps", but perhaps this was different. Perhaps made in a period when Bayern / Bavaria was no longer a stamp issuing country.


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29 Sep 2023
05:02:42pm
re: Bavaria Mystery

My first reaction to this was the same as Opa's. Happy

I remember seeing some old style toy stamp / Kinderpost stamps many years ago perhaps from the 1900s or 1920s. I believe these sometimes had a country name but they were often in a smaller format than real postage stamps.

I believe as well as post office toy stamps, there were also stamp collecting games with labels representing different countries.

Thanks Jansimon for reminding me of the "Kinderpost" name which I had forgotten.

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30 Sep 2023
01:10:02pm
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I mentioned "Kinderpost" here before :

https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_m ...

This could well be possible.......

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BWSchulz

30 Sep 2023
02:38:10pm
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All the kinderpost stamps I've seen say "kinderpost." The 'stamp' i posted above does not say kinderpost.

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BWSchulz

24 Sep 2023
09:49:09am

I found this included in a lot of Bavarian stamps. What is it? Is it a stationary corner? A revenue? Does anyone know? All help greatly appreciated.
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24 Sep 2023
01:12:39pm

re: Bavaria Mystery

Any chance of a decent sized image, might help us give some advice.

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BWSchulz

24 Sep 2023
04:23:39pm

re: Bavaria Mystery

the posting system rejects larger images. But, you can see the original ebay image here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/145280273871. Scroll down the page to the image and click on that.

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24 Sep 2023
04:50:37pm

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re: Bavaria Mystery

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Does this help?

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BWSchulz

26 Sep 2023
04:53:15pm

re: Bavaria Mystery

Thanks for posting an improved image. Alas, still no solution to the problem.

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Jansimon

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27 Sep 2023
02:10:19am

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No, no idea what this is...

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1898

27 Sep 2023
09:12:19am

re: Bavaria Mystery

Reverse scan please!

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27 Sep 2023
09:35:11am

re: Bavaria Mystery

"Reverse scan please!"


Why???
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Jansimon

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28 Sep 2023
06:50:25am

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re: Bavaria Mystery

Apart from the fact that it is unclear to me as well how scanning the reverse could help in identifying this item, there is a practical problem as this is part of a lot offered on ebay. You'd have to ask the seller.

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HockeyNut

28 Sep 2023
10:16:02am

re: Bavaria Mystery

I know what it's NOT.

1) No Telephon-Billets
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2) No Flugmarke
Image Not Found
3) No Telegrafenmarken
Image Not Found
4) No Retourmarken
Image Not Found
5) No Portomarken
Image Not Found
6) No Portofreiheitsmarken
Image Not Found
Image Not Found
7) No Dienstmarken
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Image Not Found

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Jansimon

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28 Sep 2023
10:28:09am

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re: Bavaria Mystery

Process of elimination Big Grin

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HockeyNut

28 Sep 2023
10:30:55am

re: Bavaria Mystery

8) No Eisenbahn marken
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9) No Steuermarken
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I do not think it is a stamp.


Or it has to be PRIVATPOST or STADTPOST.

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Jansimon

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28 Sep 2023
10:54:58am

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re: Bavaria Mystery

In most if not all cases, it is mentioned one way or another that it is local or city mail, isn't it? This only says Bayern, which to me is no indication it is a local...

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1898

29 Sep 2023
12:11:33am

re: Bavaria Mystery

I read the original posters posting, I thought the collector had the stamp in question.

So I understand why a reverse scan is not possible!

Often times right and proper examination of the reverse side of a stamp can help in it's identification.

When I start to identify a stamp I always examine the reverse side first and make notes, then examine the front side. A friends Mr. Inman, and Mr. Neiss both taught me to always examine the reverse side first and make notes! (both of my friends are not members of SOR, one is dead and the other dislikes SOR)

1898


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BWSchulz

29 Sep 2023
03:51:05am

re: Bavaria Mystery

I own the stamp. There is nothing to scan on the reverse. It is plain white with a hinge remnant. It is vaguely similar to the revenues of 1882, but not close enough to identify it as a revenue.

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that this is a trial proof for something.

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Opa

29 Sep 2023
01:48:23pm

re: Bavaria Mystery

Just a thought , it could be from a childrens toy post office game. These are still offered today.

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Jansimon

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29 Sep 2023
04:01:14pm

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re: Bavaria Mystery

"Kinderpost" is what you're referring to. Interesting thought. Most, if not all of what I have seen do not have a country name on the "stamps", but perhaps this was different. Perhaps made in a period when Bayern / Bavaria was no longer a stamp issuing country.


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nigelc

29 Sep 2023
05:02:42pm

re: Bavaria Mystery

My first reaction to this was the same as Opa's. Happy

I remember seeing some old style toy stamp / Kinderpost stamps many years ago perhaps from the 1900s or 1920s. I believe these sometimes had a country name but they were often in a smaller format than real postage stamps.

I believe as well as post office toy stamps, there were also stamp collecting games with labels representing different countries.

Thanks Jansimon for reminding me of the "Kinderpost" name which I had forgotten.

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HockeyNut

30 Sep 2023
01:10:02pm

re: Bavaria Mystery

I mentioned "Kinderpost" here before :

https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_m ...

This could well be possible.......

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BWSchulz

30 Sep 2023
02:38:10pm

re: Bavaria Mystery

All the kinderpost stamps I've seen say "kinderpost." The 'stamp' i posted above does not say kinderpost.

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