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10:51:28am
1) totally faked cover, stamp and postmark,
in this case I would expect that such a "manufactured" cover would be found in the appropriate literature, which I do not have,
2) genuine philatelic use -- i.e. genuine propaganda stamp found after the airdrop and used philatelically,
3) genuine propaganda stamp, fake postmark (i.e. manufactured cover with leftover propaganda stamps)
Opinion of value would be welcome as well.
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In my opinion: fake stamp and cancellation.
I don't have this stamp, but this is how it looks in the Michel catalog:
I found a genuine cancellation on "stampsx.com":
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The main giveaway that this is not a genuine cover is the date. The Futsches Reich propaganda stamps were part of an elaborate scheme called operation Cornflake. After long preparations it was carried out by bombing mailtrains and simultaneously dropping bags of propaganda mail near the bomb site, hoping that the Germans would think that these bags came from the train. The Germans would then collect them and eventually deliver them. The operation was carried out, according to the literature, between February 5 and March 31 1945. A cover cancelled 24 April can therefore not be used for the actual propaganda missions and must be a fake forgery...
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"The main giveaway that this is not a genuine cover is the date. The Futsches Reich propaganda stamps were part of an elaborate scheme called operation Cornflake. After long preparations it was carried out by bombing mailtrains and simultaneously dropping bags of propaganda mail near the bomb site, hoping that the Germans would think that these bags came from the train. The Germans would then collect them and eventually deliver them. The operation was carried out, according to the literature, between February 5 and March 31 1945. A cover cancelled 24 April can therefore not be used for the actual propaganda missions and must be a fake forgery..."
True !
And Gerom is partly right.
In the michel is stated :
zum Beispiel : Totenkopf-marken im Einer- Vierer- Achter- und neunerblock, auch bogen zu 50 Marken, gezahnt und ungezahnt mit verschiedenen Falschstempeln.
Es sind dies Falschungen zum schaden der Sammeler.
Vgl. MIR 4/1977
Translated :
For example: Totenkopf stamps in blocks of one, four, eight and nine, also sheets of 50 stamps, perforated and unperforated with various counterfeits.
These are fakes to the detriment of collectors.
See MIR 4/1977
The most of those stamps that could be real have a cancellation of WIEN (Vienna)
REAL EXAMPLE
FAKE EXAMPLES
By the way :
I see these kind of stamps and "letters" on so many auctions in Germany.
Asking price 9 Euros and up.
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Thank you gentlemen.
Three well-informed responses. Exactly what I was looking for. I love this club!
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26 May 2023
10:51:28am
Anybody care to offer me an opinion on this cover? It is the sort of thing that could have multiple outcomes:
1) totally faked cover, stamp and postmark,
in this case I would expect that such a "manufactured" cover would be found in the appropriate literature, which I do not have,
2) genuine philatelic use -- i.e. genuine propaganda stamp found after the airdrop and used philatelically,
3) genuine propaganda stamp, fake postmark (i.e. manufactured cover with leftover propaganda stamps)
Opinion of value would be welcome as well.
Roy
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12:07:29pm
re: Futsches Reich cover - informal "expertization" sought
Hi Roy
In my opinion: fake stamp and cancellation.
I don't have this stamp, but this is how it looks in the Michel catalog:
I found a genuine cancellation on "stampsx.com":
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re: Futsches Reich cover - informal "expertization" sought
The main giveaway that this is not a genuine cover is the date. The Futsches Reich propaganda stamps were part of an elaborate scheme called operation Cornflake. After long preparations it was carried out by bombing mailtrains and simultaneously dropping bags of propaganda mail near the bomb site, hoping that the Germans would think that these bags came from the train. The Germans would then collect them and eventually deliver them. The operation was carried out, according to the literature, between February 5 and March 31 1945. A cover cancelled 24 April can therefore not be used for the actual propaganda missions and must be a fake forgery...
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re: Futsches Reich cover - informal "expertization" sought
"The main giveaway that this is not a genuine cover is the date. The Futsches Reich propaganda stamps were part of an elaborate scheme called operation Cornflake. After long preparations it was carried out by bombing mailtrains and simultaneously dropping bags of propaganda mail near the bomb site, hoping that the Germans would think that these bags came from the train. The Germans would then collect them and eventually deliver them. The operation was carried out, according to the literature, between February 5 and March 31 1945. A cover cancelled 24 April can therefore not be used for the actual propaganda missions and must be a fake forgery..."
True !
And Gerom is partly right.
In the michel is stated :
zum Beispiel : Totenkopf-marken im Einer- Vierer- Achter- und neunerblock, auch bogen zu 50 Marken, gezahnt und ungezahnt mit verschiedenen Falschstempeln.
Es sind dies Falschungen zum schaden der Sammeler.
Vgl. MIR 4/1977
Translated :
For example: Totenkopf stamps in blocks of one, four, eight and nine, also sheets of 50 stamps, perforated and unperforated with various counterfeits.
These are fakes to the detriment of collectors.
See MIR 4/1977
The most of those stamps that could be real have a cancellation of WIEN (Vienna)
REAL EXAMPLE
FAKE EXAMPLES
By the way :
I see these kind of stamps and "letters" on so many auctions in Germany.
Asking price 9 Euros and up.
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27 May 2023
08:37:58am
re: Futsches Reich cover - informal "expertization" sought
Thank you gentlemen.
Three well-informed responses. Exactly what I was looking for. I love this club!
Roy
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