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I can understand pointing out very tiny, minute flaws for expensive stamps but these are cheapies that would list for maybe 25c. Am I overlooking something? Opinions?
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The only thing I see is minor perf damage, a few short and some rounded corners, I assume no thins or scuffs.
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Same here - did the buyer say what was wrong outside of the faults noted by Sheepshanks? Are they "wrinkly" or any pressed creases, any adhesions on the back, etc? Does the site these came from allow blocking buyers?
I would refund and ask for an explanation or just explain that you would rather not do business with them again.
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If you were the buyer, would you return these? How many of these would you label as faulty?
No, I cannot block a buyer on the site. But please let’s not discuss blocking in this thread (!!!) but kindly focus on what constitutes a fault. I’d really value your opinions.
I didn’t argue - I simply issued a refund. The buyer only stated that they were unacceptable because of faults. Here is a pic of the backs. No scuffs, thins, hinges, writing, stains etc.
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This is an excellent example to support the argument for having the capability of blocking a buyer. I know that some collectors are extreme perfectionists, but such collectors should purchase only from approvals and should be willing to pay the necessarily higher prices.
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Please, my friends, let’s not reopen the discussion about blocking buyers here in this thread. THANK YOU very much for avoiding that topic.
I’d really like to focus the discussion on what constitutes an unacceptable fault by different collectors. Are any of the above a stamp that you would refuse to add to your collection?
To me, the worst stamp is the middle stamp in the bottom row. The queen’s silhouette has cracks and the cancel is smeared.
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OK - first - NOTHING is 100% NOTHING is perfect. IF you see a stamp with near perfect perfs it is either luck or a fresh sheet was broken down by a dealer who knew what he was doing. It is an art.
All 16 stamps do have a short perf or two - that is the norm.. i counted 4 of the 16 that had perfs that could be argued to be returned if one is a perfectionist 0 but 25 cent stamps bought for the picture - I don't think so -
Go to Hipstamp and search "242" - drill down to USA and MNH - stamps that sell for $2000 to $5000. Click on the image and blow them up with another click - not one is perfect. No mention is made of the short perf or two - there are very, very few early high dollar classics without what somo collectors would call a short perf or two unless they have had surgery ( a good stamp doctor can perform miracles),
Just my 2 cents
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Too many nibbled perfs on a lot of the stamps, I would look for a better copy for my own collection.
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Sheepshanks - would you point out which ones you consider the worst offenders?
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I'll substitute "some" for "one" otherwise all of the stamps been used are perfectly collectible to me.
Remember, there are some people that doesn't matter how hard you try you can never please.
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OK, here goes.
!st. row, stamp 1, top left, btm right
stamp 2, bottom right
stamp 4, bottom middle right.
2nd. row, stamp 1, bottom
stamp 2, left top
stamp 3, right top
3rd. row, stamp 1, top
stamp 2, left top and top middle to corner (bad)
stamp 3, top and bottom
stamp 4, top left
4th. row, stamp 1, top right
stamp 2. top middle and bottom left corner
stamp 4, top left and bottom right
stamp 5, top left and bottom right.
Plus the cracked head you noted.
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By my previous posting, I was referring to rounded corners, my eyesight is not what it used to be but I still see only one stamp with a rounded corner.
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Aye some folkies are perfectionists but all one can do is accept the return and refund the buyer.
We have a saying in Old Caledonia:- "The customer is always right...............................................................within earshot!"
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It was Selfridge who originated this expression, though what he really said was, "The customer is always right in matters of taste,"
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Yeah we took somebody elses quote and turned it to suit our needs. Doesn't everybody?
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That looks like a good group of stamps. Stamps from that era where the perfs carry the color of the stamp with no border tend to look that way. It’s just the nature of the beast.
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Joe hit it on the head: stamps that bleed color tend to LOOK more faulty.
Theresa, showing the reverse gives us all a better sense of the true optics, and they all look fine to me, but then I collect crash covers.
David
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If someone thinks these are damaged - then I might as well pull down all of my approval books ! Steve
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I don't see any major issues. I'm assuming these were not sold for any significant money. As long as he/she doesn't leave negative feedback, I'd move on.
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". . . the cancel is smeared."
If the smeared cancel is as it was applied – and one sees this on covers in the mailbox these days – then while some collectors may find it undesirable, it's not a "fault." And if a pic was available to the buyer . . .
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Wow, I thought I was picky, but I would be glad to have these in my collection. I don't expect used stamps to be in perfect condition because, obviously, they have gone through the postal system. Plus these are newer stamps, so they are not as easy to get in used condition. Actually, I think I am missing most of them from my collection.
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The old saying "The customer is always right", but my 2 cents worth, nothing wrong with these.
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Hi @philatelia
I am registered on a site where stamps are exchanged at the value mentioned in the catalog. (Yvert-Tellier)
I saw that there are different values for the same stamp (possibly due to the YT catalog of different editions) and it was explained to me that the reduction of the value is practiced (the rule not respected by all members) in case of small defects:
- 1-2 shorter teeth, bent corner = 15% lower value.
- broken corner = 30% lower value.
When I buy stamps (20-30 pcs) all displayed on a card in a single image, I have visual problems with identifying their quality.
The very low price makes me distrustful of their quality, but that does not mean that they automatically have small defects.
The correct seller must make a correct description of the lot: "Some stamps have small defects - short teeth, bent corner, etc"
This general description correctly warns the buyers about the quality of the stamps they are buying.
I always give up buying when I see the mention made by sellers - "Buy what you see in the scan"
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The following stamps were returned to me as being damaged / faulty from a sale on another site, NOT Stamporama. I’m pretty picky, but WOW. Would you label these as faulty if you were selling them? I can see a few short perfs but not severe.
I can understand pointing out very tiny, minute flaws for expensive stamps but these are cheapies that would list for maybe 25c. Am I overlooking something? Opinions?
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The only thing I see is minor perf damage, a few short and some rounded corners, I assume no thins or scuffs.
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09:31:18am
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Same here - did the buyer say what was wrong outside of the faults noted by Sheepshanks? Are they "wrinkly" or any pressed creases, any adhesions on the back, etc? Does the site these came from allow blocking buyers?
I would refund and ask for an explanation or just explain that you would rather not do business with them again.
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If you were the buyer, would you return these? How many of these would you label as faulty?
No, I cannot block a buyer on the site. But please let’s not discuss blocking in this thread (!!!) but kindly focus on what constitutes a fault. I’d really value your opinions.
I didn’t argue - I simply issued a refund. The buyer only stated that they were unacceptable because of faults. Here is a pic of the backs. No scuffs, thins, hinges, writing, stains etc.
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re: How many of these would you label as faulty?
This is an excellent example to support the argument for having the capability of blocking a buyer. I know that some collectors are extreme perfectionists, but such collectors should purchase only from approvals and should be willing to pay the necessarily higher prices.
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Please, my friends, let’s not reopen the discussion about blocking buyers here in this thread. THANK YOU very much for avoiding that topic.
I’d really like to focus the discussion on what constitutes an unacceptable fault by different collectors. Are any of the above a stamp that you would refuse to add to your collection?
To me, the worst stamp is the middle stamp in the bottom row. The queen’s silhouette has cracks and the cancel is smeared.
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OK - first - NOTHING is 100% NOTHING is perfect. IF you see a stamp with near perfect perfs it is either luck or a fresh sheet was broken down by a dealer who knew what he was doing. It is an art.
All 16 stamps do have a short perf or two - that is the norm.. i counted 4 of the 16 that had perfs that could be argued to be returned if one is a perfectionist 0 but 25 cent stamps bought for the picture - I don't think so -
Go to Hipstamp and search "242" - drill down to USA and MNH - stamps that sell for $2000 to $5000. Click on the image and blow them up with another click - not one is perfect. No mention is made of the short perf or two - there are very, very few early high dollar classics without what somo collectors would call a short perf or two unless they have had surgery ( a good stamp doctor can perform miracles),
Just my 2 cents
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Too many nibbled perfs on a lot of the stamps, I would look for a better copy for my own collection.
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Sheepshanks - would you point out which ones you consider the worst offenders?
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I'll substitute "some" for "one" otherwise all of the stamps been used are perfectly collectible to me.
Remember, there are some people that doesn't matter how hard you try you can never please.
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OK, here goes.
!st. row, stamp 1, top left, btm right
stamp 2, bottom right
stamp 4, bottom middle right.
2nd. row, stamp 1, bottom
stamp 2, left top
stamp 3, right top
3rd. row, stamp 1, top
stamp 2, left top and top middle to corner (bad)
stamp 3, top and bottom
stamp 4, top left
4th. row, stamp 1, top right
stamp 2. top middle and bottom left corner
stamp 4, top left and bottom right
stamp 5, top left and bottom right.
Plus the cracked head you noted.
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By my previous posting, I was referring to rounded corners, my eyesight is not what it used to be but I still see only one stamp with a rounded corner.
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Aye some folkies are perfectionists but all one can do is accept the return and refund the buyer.
We have a saying in Old Caledonia:- "The customer is always right...............................................................within earshot!"
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It was Selfridge who originated this expression, though what he really said was, "The customer is always right in matters of taste,"
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Yeah we took somebody elses quote and turned it to suit our needs. Doesn't everybody?
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That looks like a good group of stamps. Stamps from that era where the perfs carry the color of the stamp with no border tend to look that way. It’s just the nature of the beast.
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re: How many of these would you label as faulty?
Joe hit it on the head: stamps that bleed color tend to LOOK more faulty.
Theresa, showing the reverse gives us all a better sense of the true optics, and they all look fine to me, but then I collect crash covers.
David
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If someone thinks these are damaged - then I might as well pull down all of my approval books ! Steve
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I don't see any major issues. I'm assuming these were not sold for any significant money. As long as he/she doesn't leave negative feedback, I'd move on.
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". . . the cancel is smeared."
If the smeared cancel is as it was applied – and one sees this on covers in the mailbox these days – then while some collectors may find it undesirable, it's not a "fault." And if a pic was available to the buyer . . .
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Wow, I thought I was picky, but I would be glad to have these in my collection. I don't expect used stamps to be in perfect condition because, obviously, they have gone through the postal system. Plus these are newer stamps, so they are not as easy to get in used condition. Actually, I think I am missing most of them from my collection.
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The old saying "The customer is always right", but my 2 cents worth, nothing wrong with these.
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Hi @philatelia
I am registered on a site where stamps are exchanged at the value mentioned in the catalog. (Yvert-Tellier)
I saw that there are different values for the same stamp (possibly due to the YT catalog of different editions) and it was explained to me that the reduction of the value is practiced (the rule not respected by all members) in case of small defects:
- 1-2 shorter teeth, bent corner = 15% lower value.
- broken corner = 30% lower value.
When I buy stamps (20-30 pcs) all displayed on a card in a single image, I have visual problems with identifying their quality.
The very low price makes me distrustful of their quality, but that does not mean that they automatically have small defects.
The correct seller must make a correct description of the lot: "Some stamps have small defects - short teeth, bent corner, etc"
This general description correctly warns the buyers about the quality of the stamps they are buying.
I always give up buying when I see the mention made by sellers - "Buy what you see in the scan"
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