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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

 

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JohnnyStamp
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30 Jun 2022
02:06:50am

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I'm sure we all have had stamps that have eluded us over the years. For me it is the sitting Helvetia (Scott #136a) where the engraver had the pluck or audacity to sneak his full name on the rock. I must have examined hundreds of the normal Scott 136 in all my years of stamp collecting. But today my luck changed. I found one! Image Not Found Well only because a previous sharp eyed collector made a note on the piece. But I still have a big smile!

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30 Jun 2022
11:15:32am

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What irony, i believe i have the 136a in my album but not the "ordinary" one !Image Not Found
its probably too good to be true..i need a higher magnification glass.

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HolocaustStamps

30 Jun 2022
11:21:55am
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Can you do a closeup? I’m not seeing it. I have a few hundred of those I can fly-speck some day.

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30 Jun 2022
12:11:09pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

I didn't expect them to be so hard to find.
I had both 136 and 136a and never gave it much thought.
There are often stamps you take for granted!
rrr....

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d1stamper
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30 Jun 2022
02:21:15pm

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I have these two stamps of Switzerland # 136. Not sure if one of them is #136a.

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30 Jun 2022
02:31:54pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

the second one is the 136a. The first one has CL just below the hand and sword.

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30 Jun 2022
03:23:07pm

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I see it now ..Good find Larry...i have the common oneSad

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HolocaustStamps

01 Jul 2022
08:58:51am
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

OK, so “CL” is 136 and “No CL” is 136a?

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01 Jul 2022
09:10:50am

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

that would be the quick summary. 136a does not just have the initials, but the complete name of the designer in the rock. There are other things to look for, like the direction of the hatching of the hill at the feet of the sitting Helvetia. 136a has it to the right, 136 to the left.

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HolocaustStamps

02 Jul 2022
04:38:30am
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Thanks. Still can’t see the bane in the rock. Anyone have a closeup?

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02 Jul 2022
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From the colnect website

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2010ccg

02 Jul 2022
07:24:33am
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Every day I learn something new!! merci

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philatelia
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02 Jul 2022
08:53:29am
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Threads like this are why a good stamp forum is priceless, worth a heck of a lot more than a buck a month.

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HolocaustStamps

02 Jul 2022
01:36:35pm
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Thanks for the post. I guess a magnifying glass will be useful.

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02 Jul 2022
09:59:58pm
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

"Threads like this are why a good stamp forum is priceless, worth a heck of a lot more than a buck a month"




Amen and Amen!!

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HolocaustStamps

03 Jul 2022
09:04:54am
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Agreed. There have been a number of topics where this type of info has been useful.

The greatest one for me is still the one by Michael#### that ended up as an article identifying the 3 different types of post-war occupied Germany AMG stamps.

Which begs the question…how about an edited/curated archive of “what’s this” threads? Anyone got an extra 20 hours a week on their hands?

Dave

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04 Jul 2022
03:48:03am

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

That's a good suggestion and one that would be very helpful to many of us. On the other hand, you raise the crucial question: who has the time and energy to do this?

Jan-Simon

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HolocaustStamps

04 Jul 2022
08:09:21pm
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Here's an idea for the MT to consider...

I'd be happy to take on this Switzerland issue as a beta-project: to create an article that we could use in a searchable database (whatever we have already or something new). Some questions:

1) What format would I prepare this in so it can be posted/saved on SOR?
2) I'm sure it would not be 100% complete nor accurate, so how would we allow me and/or other members to edit/correct it.

Probably other considerations, but thinking maybe we could start something here.

Dave.

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04 Jul 2022
08:15:04pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Surely all we need is the article written and then added to the appropriate page under the Articles section within the Home page Main menu? Lots of good stuff there already.

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05 Jul 2022
12:09:08pm
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

" .... Lots of good stuff there already. ...."

I agree, there are lots of interesting and informative notes,
messages, comments, and articles, to be found when one
wanders around the less travelled hi-ways and by-ways of
the clubs web site.
In fact, quite often an easy answer to the apparently most
vexatious query has been posted multiple times. There are
times when I wonder if someone actually reads or understands
how to use the club's search feature, or one of the internet |
"Google" sites.

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rrraphy
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05 Jul 2022
08:27:58pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Charlie posted a similar idea several years ago.
It was not implemented.

I just went to Charlie's old post

"https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=19671#145284"


It really is an idea worth implementing. listed under Stamporama Indexing Project

I had an idea that I posted just now suggesting an approach that will bypass the need for hours and hours of volunteer work.
Please comment on it separately as this discussion is getting lost here under the wrong heading, (under the title "stamps that have eluded us).
Here is a link: https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
Maybe we can get it done with just a little smart linking instead of volunteer hours!

rrr...

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06 Jul 2022
08:13:50am
re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Smokin' Rockets Commander,
the Search feature does work,
just as designed ! ! !

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rrraphy
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06 Jul 2022
01:47:23pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

The search feature works great, but it will miss valuable discussion that gets buried under the wrong Discussion Heading. I assume we are searching on titles only.

For example, the discussion about Switzerland 136 and 136a would never surface, as it is imbedded in "Stamps That Have Eluded Us"

See my further comments in the other discussion thread.

rrr...

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JohnnyStamp

30 Jun 2022
02:06:50am

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I'm sure we all have had stamps that have eluded us over the years. For me it is the sitting Helvetia (Scott #136a) where the engraver had the pluck or audacity to sneak his full name on the rock. I must have examined hundreds of the normal Scott 136 in all my years of stamp collecting. But today my luck changed. I found one! Image Not Found Well only because a previous sharp eyed collector made a note on the piece. But I still have a big smile!

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philb

30 Jun 2022
11:15:32am

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

What irony, i believe i have the 136a in my album but not the "ordinary" one !Image Not Found
its probably too good to be true..i need a higher magnification glass.

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HolocaustStamps

30 Jun 2022
11:21:55am

re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Can you do a closeup? I’m not seeing it. I have a few hundred of those I can fly-speck some day.

Thanks, Dave

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rrraphy

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30 Jun 2022
12:11:09pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

I didn't expect them to be so hard to find.
I had both 136 and 136a and never gave it much thought.
There are often stamps you take for granted!
rrr....

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d1stamper

30 Jun 2022
02:21:15pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

I have these two stamps of Switzerland # 136. Not sure if one of them is #136a.

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Jansimon

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30 Jun 2022
02:31:54pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

the second one is the 136a. The first one has CL just below the hand and sword.

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30 Jun 2022
03:23:07pm

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I see it now ..Good find Larry...i have the common oneSad

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HolocaustStamps

01 Jul 2022
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OK, so “CL” is 136 and “No CL” is 136a?

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Jansimon

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01 Jul 2022
09:10:50am

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

that would be the quick summary. 136a does not just have the initials, but the complete name of the designer in the rock. There are other things to look for, like the direction of the hatching of the hill at the feet of the sitting Helvetia. 136a has it to the right, 136 to the left.

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HolocaustStamps

02 Jul 2022
04:38:30am

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Thanks. Still can’t see the bane in the rock. Anyone have a closeup?

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From the colnect website

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02 Jul 2022
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Every day I learn something new!! merci

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02 Jul 2022
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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Threads like this are why a good stamp forum is priceless, worth a heck of a lot more than a buck a month.

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HolocaustStamps

02 Jul 2022
01:36:35pm

re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Thanks for the post. I guess a magnifying glass will be useful.

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02 Jul 2022
09:59:58pm

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"Threads like this are why a good stamp forum is priceless, worth a heck of a lot more than a buck a month"




Amen and Amen!!

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HolocaustStamps

03 Jul 2022
09:04:54am

re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Agreed. There have been a number of topics where this type of info has been useful.

The greatest one for me is still the one by Michael#### that ended up as an article identifying the 3 different types of post-war occupied Germany AMG stamps.

Which begs the question…how about an edited/curated archive of “what’s this” threads? Anyone got an extra 20 hours a week on their hands?

Dave

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04 Jul 2022
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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

That's a good suggestion and one that would be very helpful to many of us. On the other hand, you raise the crucial question: who has the time and energy to do this?

Jan-Simon

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HolocaustStamps

04 Jul 2022
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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Here's an idea for the MT to consider...

I'd be happy to take on this Switzerland issue as a beta-project: to create an article that we could use in a searchable database (whatever we have already or something new). Some questions:

1) What format would I prepare this in so it can be posted/saved on SOR?
2) I'm sure it would not be 100% complete nor accurate, so how would we allow me and/or other members to edit/correct it.

Probably other considerations, but thinking maybe we could start something here.

Dave.

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04 Jul 2022
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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Surely all we need is the article written and then added to the appropriate page under the Articles section within the Home page Main menu? Lots of good stuff there already.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
05 Jul 2022
12:09:08pm

re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

" .... Lots of good stuff there already. ...."

I agree, there are lots of interesting and informative notes,
messages, comments, and articles, to be found when one
wanders around the less travelled hi-ways and by-ways of
the clubs web site.
In fact, quite often an easy answer to the apparently most
vexatious query has been posted multiple times. There are
times when I wonder if someone actually reads or understands
how to use the club's search feature, or one of the internet |
"Google" sites.

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05 Jul 2022
08:27:58pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Charlie posted a similar idea several years ago.
It was not implemented.

I just went to Charlie's old post

"https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=19671#145284"


It really is an idea worth implementing. listed under Stamporama Indexing Project

I had an idea that I posted just now suggesting an approach that will bypass the need for hours and hours of volunteer work.
Please comment on it separately as this discussion is getting lost here under the wrong heading, (under the title "stamps that have eluded us).
Here is a link: https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_ma ...
Maybe we can get it done with just a little smart linking instead of volunteer hours!

rrr...

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
06 Jul 2022
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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

Smokin' Rockets Commander,
the Search feature does work,
just as designed ! ! !

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06 Jul 2022
01:47:23pm

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re: Stamps That Have Eluded Us.

The search feature works great, but it will miss valuable discussion that gets buried under the wrong Discussion Heading. I assume we are searching on titles only.

For example, the discussion about Switzerland 136 and 136a would never surface, as it is imbedded in "Stamps That Have Eluded Us"

See my further comments in the other discussion thread.

rrr...

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