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18 Apr 2022
05:13:41pm
Stamps were issued for both the Northern and Southern Districts of Thurn and Taxis.

But after an hour Googling this all I can come up with are images of the stamps, and information on the T&T family and their history in developing the postal system.

Nothing anywhere that I can find on where these regions are/were located!!!

If anyone has info, or better yet a link to the location and history of these districts it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Dave.
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18 Apr 2022
05:19:50pm
re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

from wiki,
Thurn is a municipality in the district of Lienz in the Austrian state of Tyrol.
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However, I think that it refers to the area overseen by the nobility of that name who established their own postal service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurn_und_ ... .

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18 Apr 2022
05:41:04pm

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re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Thurn und Taxis was not really a German state as such, but especially in the context you are interested in, a private postal company operated by the Thurn und Taxis family. They took care of the mail service in many German states between 1806 and 1867. The main seat of the postal service was Frankfurt am Main, even though the family had its palace in Regensburg.
More can be found here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurn-und-Taxis_Post

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18 Apr 2022
05:41:57pm
re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

The capital of the county of Thurn and Taxis is Regensburg, which is in Eastern Bavaria.

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18 Apr 2022
06:00:28pm

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re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

T&T did the mail for the following States:

North (Groschen)

Kurhessen
Sachsen-Weimar
Sachsen-Meinigen
Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha
Schwarzburg-Sondershausen
Reuß Jüngere Linie
Reuß Ältere Linie
Freie Stadt Hamburg
Freie Stadt Bremen
Freie Stadt Lübeck
Lippe-Detmold
Schaumburg-Lippe

South (Kreuzer)

Hohenzollern-Hechingen and Hohenzollern Sigmaringen
Hessen-Darmstadt
Hessen-Nassau
Hessen-Homburg
Freie Stadt Frankfurt am Main
Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt

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HolocaustStamps

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18 Apr 2022
06:36:13pm
re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Thanks for the info. I read the wiki sites that had info on the family and postal service link but was still looking for the geographical “districts”.

This really clarifies things.

Thanks, Dave.

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19 Apr 2022
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re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

You will find that most of the area serviced by Thurn und Taxis is in what is currently Hessen and Thuringia.

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gerom

19 Apr 2022
10:16:27am
re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Also,read the thread of HockeyNut "Germany/German States" 14 January 2021.

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19 Apr 2022
02:32:17pm
re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

"T&T did the mail for the following States: ... "



The tongue-in-cheek short version of Jansimon's list would be "everywhere and nowhere".

To make a long story short, the noble de Tasso family from Northern italy had operated a courier service for Venice since the 14th century and was awarded the right to operate the mails in the Holy Empire ("everywhere") in 1490. In 1624 they were elevated to the rank of counts while claiming descent from the family della Torre, and were allowed to call themselves "della Torre e Tasso" or "von Thurn und Taxis" from 1650. Literally this means "from the tower and the badger". Later they even became princes and held some territories. In the early 19th century the larger German states claimed the mail business for themselves (but had to pay compensation to the Thurn and Taxis), so that only the business in the smaller states remained. Finally, they gave it up to Prussia in 1867 after the German war, and since then the Thurn and Taxis post is "nowhere" to be found (except in stamp albums).

Martin

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20 Apr 2022
05:46:51am
re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Some links from the First Issues Collectors Club

http://www.firstissues.org/countries/thu ...

http://www.firstissues.org/countries/thu ...

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20 Apr 2022
02:24:55pm
re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

This has been incredibly educational. And probably explains why I have 20 T&T stamps but none from Lubeck, Bremen, etc

Dave

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Collecting one stamp for each of the 1.5 Million children murdered in The Holocaust.

18 Apr 2022
05:13:41pm

Stamps were issued for both the Northern and Southern Districts of Thurn and Taxis.

But after an hour Googling this all I can come up with are images of the stamps, and information on the T&T family and their history in developing the postal system.

Nothing anywhere that I can find on where these regions are/were located!!!

If anyone has info, or better yet a link to the location and history of these districts it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Dave.

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18 Apr 2022
05:19:50pm

re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

from wiki,
Thurn is a municipality in the district of Lienz in the Austrian state of Tyrol.
Edit to add
However, I think that it refers to the area overseen by the nobility of that name who established their own postal service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurn_und_ ... .

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18 Apr 2022
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re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Thurn und Taxis was not really a German state as such, but especially in the context you are interested in, a private postal company operated by the Thurn und Taxis family. They took care of the mail service in many German states between 1806 and 1867. The main seat of the postal service was Frankfurt am Main, even though the family had its palace in Regensburg.
More can be found here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurn-und-Taxis_Post

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18 Apr 2022
05:41:57pm

re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

The capital of the county of Thurn and Taxis is Regensburg, which is in Eastern Bavaria.

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18 Apr 2022
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re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

T&T did the mail for the following States:

North (Groschen)

Kurhessen
Sachsen-Weimar
Sachsen-Meinigen
Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha
Schwarzburg-Sondershausen
Reuß Jüngere Linie
Reuß Ältere Linie
Freie Stadt Hamburg
Freie Stadt Bremen
Freie Stadt Lübeck
Lippe-Detmold
Schaumburg-Lippe

South (Kreuzer)

Hohenzollern-Hechingen and Hohenzollern Sigmaringen
Hessen-Darmstadt
Hessen-Nassau
Hessen-Homburg
Freie Stadt Frankfurt am Main
Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt

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18 Apr 2022
06:36:13pm

re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Thanks for the info. I read the wiki sites that had info on the family and postal service link but was still looking for the geographical “districts”.

This really clarifies things.

Thanks, Dave.

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19 Apr 2022
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re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

You will find that most of the area serviced by Thurn und Taxis is in what is currently Hessen and Thuringia.

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gerom

19 Apr 2022
10:16:27am

re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Also,read the thread of HockeyNut "Germany/German States" 14 January 2021.

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19 Apr 2022
02:32:17pm

re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

"T&T did the mail for the following States: ... "



The tongue-in-cheek short version of Jansimon's list would be "everywhere and nowhere".

To make a long story short, the noble de Tasso family from Northern italy had operated a courier service for Venice since the 14th century and was awarded the right to operate the mails in the Holy Empire ("everywhere") in 1490. In 1624 they were elevated to the rank of counts while claiming descent from the family della Torre, and were allowed to call themselves "della Torre e Tasso" or "von Thurn und Taxis" from 1650. Literally this means "from the tower and the badger". Later they even became princes and held some territories. In the early 19th century the larger German states claimed the mail business for themselves (but had to pay compensation to the Thurn and Taxis), so that only the business in the smaller states remained. Finally, they gave it up to Prussia in 1867 after the German war, and since then the Thurn and Taxis post is "nowhere" to be found (except in stamp albums).

Martin

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Al
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20 Apr 2022
05:46:51am

re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

Some links from the First Issues Collectors Club

http://www.firstissues.org/countries/thu ...

http://www.firstissues.org/countries/thu ...

Al

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20 Apr 2022
02:24:55pm

re: Where on Earth (Actually Germany) is Thurn and Taxis

This has been incredibly educational. And probably explains why I have 20 T&T stamps but none from Lubeck, Bremen, etc

Dave

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