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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : What am I missing ???

 

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dell4c

17 Jan 2022
02:58:59pm

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this eBay lot

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/133990459637?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1431.l2648
is at $11.50 with $2.50 shipping and 2 hours to go.

It lists in my 2011 Scotts at $4.00 !!!

I thought the hobby was supposed to be dying and we should be seeing prices well below catalog ( and I should be able to fill in some holes cheaply!! Happy ) but sure doesn't seem to be the case!

Looks like the hobby is more than healthy from what I am seeing. There's some quote about the rumors of death that should go here but I can't remember it !




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Brechinite

17 Jan 2022
06:39:57pm
re: What am I missing ???

It takes two bidders to really want an item to put the price up.

You never know what can happen at an auction. Some items have no bids and other items go sky high.

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17 Jan 2022
07:18:07pm

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It takes all kinds, check this out.
!Rare 1957 3 cent US postage Liberty stamps - $100 (Katy)
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18 Jan 2022
06:12:58pm
re: What am I missing ???

Dear Dell4c,

We investigated this bidding item on Ebay.
There are 6 bidders. Five of them are Shill bidders. They tried to inflate the price by out bidding high.

All five bidders worked with the Seller with disguised name/number.
All five bidders carried over 20% activities which indicate shell bidding behavior. Some have retracts. If you look at their bidding profile, it will confirm.

If this is forward to police, they have the capability to locate shill bidders' IP address.

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18 Jan 2022
08:25:00pm

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re: What am I missing ???

thanks for the explanation on why it's likely shill bidding

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dell4c

18 Jan 2022
10:01:03pm

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re: What am I missing ???

Thanks very much for the info!!

Bob

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19 Jan 2022
10:38:38am
re: What am I missing ???

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

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19 Jan 2022
11:16:38am
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"If this is forward to police, they have the capability to locate shill bidders' IP address."



I don't think the police are interested in an $11.00 scam.
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dell4c

19 Jan 2022
11:57:47am

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Thanks Smauggie Happy

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Tom in Exton, PA

19 Jan 2022
02:58:12pm
re: What am I missing ???

"We investigated this bidding item on Ebay."



Um no! Here's the deal with these bidders....

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First- None of these bidders match the profile of a shill bidder.

1. Three are long time bidders with 410, 839 and 2378 Positive Feedback
Typical shills are new accounts with very few feedback

2. Here's the big one Bid activity with THIS Seller... Maximum 4%!
Typical shills will have all of their bids with the seller in question

3. Bid retractions don't come into play.

You don't have bidders with 58 to 2378... with this kind of feedback from other sellers shilling. In fact these bidders have done 96% to 100% of their business with other sellers!


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24 Jan 2022
12:23:21pm
re: What am I missing ???

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Um no! Here's the deal with these bidders.. ..."

Ahh, the cold water splash of reality.

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Brechinite

25 Jan 2022
12:33:11pm
re: What am I missing ???

Check out this guy and their expensive items:-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/spark-1818/m.html?item=144097707882&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562

According to them I'm a multi millionaire!!

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25 Jan 2022
01:05:04pm

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speechless!
And glad to join your ranks.

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26 Jan 2022
07:48:31am
re: What am I missing ???

"Check out this guy and their expensive items:-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/spark-1818/m.html?item=144097707882&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562

According to them I'm a multi millionaire!!"



Me too !!! Big Hug

Gonna sell all my items to him for half the price.
After that I am going to buy 50 American Old timers in excellent condition Laughing

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Tom in Exton, PA

26 Jan 2022
09:55:25am
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Funny thing, there was just a rant from one of the model car guys about eBay fees.

He wasn't paying no 12.5% to eBay!

So my response... You take a $100 model kit. You drive to a swap meet.. gas, tolls, maybe lodging and pay $50 for a table. Someone bargains with you and you sell the kit for $85

Put it on eBay for $200 at no cost for the listing. Two guys fight over it and it sells for $250. eBay's cut is $31.25. So you've received $218.75, which is a damn good deal!

So this clown comes back, "Yea, but they'll charge me the commission on the postage too". I saw he was a lost cause!

End analysis- It doesn't cost anything to go fishing on eBay! Put stamps up there for a million dollars each! What do you have to lose?




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dell4c

17 Jan 2022
02:58:59pm

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this eBay lot

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/133990459637?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1431.l2648
is at $11.50 with $2.50 shipping and 2 hours to go.

It lists in my 2011 Scotts at $4.00 !!!

I thought the hobby was supposed to be dying and we should be seeing prices well below catalog ( and I should be able to fill in some holes cheaply!! Happy ) but sure doesn't seem to be the case!

Looks like the hobby is more than healthy from what I am seeing. There's some quote about the rumors of death that should go here but I can't remember it !




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Brechinite

17 Jan 2022
06:39:57pm

re: What am I missing ???

It takes two bidders to really want an item to put the price up.

You never know what can happen at an auction. Some items have no bids and other items go sky high.

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StampCollector

17 Jan 2022
07:18:07pm

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re: What am I missing ???

It takes all kinds, check this out.
!Rare 1957 3 cent US postage Liberty stamps - $100 (Katy)
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18 Jan 2022
06:12:58pm

re: What am I missing ???

Dear Dell4c,

We investigated this bidding item on Ebay.
There are 6 bidders. Five of them are Shill bidders. They tried to inflate the price by out bidding high.

All five bidders worked with the Seller with disguised name/number.
All five bidders carried over 20% activities which indicate shell bidding behavior. Some have retracts. If you look at their bidding profile, it will confirm.

If this is forward to police, they have the capability to locate shill bidders' IP address.

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18 Jan 2022
08:25:00pm

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re: What am I missing ???

thanks for the explanation on why it's likely shill bidding

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dell4c

18 Jan 2022
10:01:03pm

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Thanks very much for the info!!

Bob

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smauggie

19 Jan 2022
10:38:38am

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"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

Mark Twain

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BermudaSailor

19 Jan 2022
11:16:38am

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"If this is forward to police, they have the capability to locate shill bidders' IP address."



I don't think the police are interested in an $11.00 scam.
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dell4c

19 Jan 2022
11:57:47am

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Thanks Smauggie Happy

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Tom in Exton, PA
19 Jan 2022
02:58:12pm

re: What am I missing ???

"We investigated this bidding item on Ebay."



Um no! Here's the deal with these bidders....

Image Not Found

First- None of these bidders match the profile of a shill bidder.

1. Three are long time bidders with 410, 839 and 2378 Positive Feedback
Typical shills are new accounts with very few feedback

2. Here's the big one Bid activity with THIS Seller... Maximum 4%!
Typical shills will have all of their bids with the seller in question

3. Bid retractions don't come into play.

You don't have bidders with 58 to 2378... with this kind of feedback from other sellers shilling. In fact these bidders have done 96% to 100% of their business with other sellers!


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24 Jan 2022
12:23:21pm

re: What am I missing ???

" ...
Um no! Here's the deal with these bidders.. ..."

Ahh, the cold water splash of reality.

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Brechinite

25 Jan 2022
12:33:11pm

re: What am I missing ???

Check out this guy and their expensive items:-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/spark-1818/m.html?item=144097707882&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562

According to them I'm a multi millionaire!!

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StampCollector

25 Jan 2022
01:05:04pm

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speechless!
And glad to join your ranks.

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HockeyNut

26 Jan 2022
07:48:31am

re: What am I missing ???

"Check out this guy and their expensive items:-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/spark-1818/m.html?item=144097707882&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562

According to them I'm a multi millionaire!!"



Me too !!! Big Hug

Gonna sell all my items to him for half the price.
After that I am going to buy 50 American Old timers in excellent condition Laughing

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Tom in Exton, PA
26 Jan 2022
09:55:25am

re: What am I missing ???

Funny thing, there was just a rant from one of the model car guys about eBay fees.

He wasn't paying no 12.5% to eBay!

So my response... You take a $100 model kit. You drive to a swap meet.. gas, tolls, maybe lodging and pay $50 for a table. Someone bargains with you and you sell the kit for $85

Put it on eBay for $200 at no cost for the listing. Two guys fight over it and it sells for $250. eBay's cut is $31.25. So you've received $218.75, which is a damn good deal!

So this clown comes back, "Yea, but they'll charge me the commission on the postage too". I saw he was a lost cause!

End analysis- It doesn't cost anything to go fishing on eBay! Put stamps up there for a million dollars each! What do you have to lose?




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