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People are becoming afraid of their own shadows.
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That is so true. Lead is one of the most common elements in the soil averaging 15-60 ppm. Yet you have states and countries trying to set limits way lower than this. Not being well informed creates unnecessary fear.
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Bye, bye, boys.
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Headline, CBS News, March, 2020:
How is this not a problem?
Early results from 174 Flint children exposed to lead during water crisis
shows 80% of them will require special education services
Bob
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Bob,
I knew about Flint water, but not the special ed ramification.
So, we have a poor town that couldn't afford to pay for water now has a generation of children who will always need remedial education and additional medical treatment. Good luck with that.
The fact that city, state, and federal administrations all tried to hide the problem, even after it was known, implies it is unlikely to admit other, related problems that are far easier to hide or dispute. As someone who watched my own district dismiss extra educational needs for years, i can speak to educational district's instransigence here.
Sorry to move the discussion to lead's ramifications rather than the lead issue itself; just reinforcing Bob's comment.
So, does anyone know about stamps' lead content, the original queery?
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I am a bit confused.
The question here is whether stamps contain lead and all I see here is a comment about almangan that the dentist used to use.
Who is the original poster of this question?
I only know about :
Stamps of gold or silver.
Stamps with sulfuric acid in the gum.
Stamps made of fabrics.
But lead?
It's apparently fake news
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D2M2 is the original poster
as is our want, we got off track and never actually answered the question.
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I am the guilty party here and owe the OP an apology. The original post regarded listing either stamps or postcards on Ebay and referenced having to check a box re: one of the "known to the State of California to cause ....." California Propositions in order to complete the listings I believe.
It is a personal red flag item and when I was teaching sociology a couple of decades ago I stressed the need to think about what we are being told to shape and mold our beliefs and actions and why. STOP. Not going to get political here.
I felt it closely associated with the original post at the time. I was wrong.
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Do postage stamps contain lead? Unlikely as lead is a HEAVY metal and would (in a bulk of mail) add weight to the mail shipments - both airmail and bagged mail that has to be manhandled.
Just try not to drink your postage stamps.
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I guess that maybe like others I thought the original post was jokey. If there was lead it would be in the ink and somewhat minute per stamp.
I guess technically, that if there was lead dissolved in the water used in the paper manufacture, or in that needed to damp paper before printing that it could conceivably still be present after printing. Again it would be so minute in quantity as to be hardly detectable.
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Yep, lead is heavy but gold too.
Golden stamp from the Netherlands :
Silver stamp from the Netherlands :
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The OP was questioning the reasoning behind eBay requesting a California Prop 65 warning for something as harmless as stamps.
Prop 65 warnings, intended to alert people to the possible health hazards in products they purchase sort of exploded into a catch-all rule, where pretty much ANYTHING sent to California now bears a label telling the consumer that it may contain hazardous chemicals. Sellers are required to label their products before they are shipped to California, if they contain any of over 300 "listed" chemicals in amounts higher than a certain threshold.
In an effort to CYA, most people who still ship to California addresses just slap a Prop 65 sticker on everything they ship, to avoid going through the extensive list of substances, and trying to determine their threshold levels. Our dealership has a relatively minor online business selling auto parts via our website. I won't ship to California anymore, as the extra steps to maintain compliance just isn't worth the hassle for the small profits we see from this side hustle.
This "blanket" effect really undermines the original intentions of the Prop 65, which was to identify products that actually may cause harm. Now, that warning is diluted by all the extraneous labels applied by shippers who want to be compliant, but don't have the resources to research every single item they offer for sale. The prop 65 label might as well just say "Everything will kill you eventually, don't say we didn't warn you!"
As far as the automobile and auto repair industries are concerned, California has some pretty draconian environmental laws, and they have enough influence that other states, as well as the Federal Government often use them as a template for their own laws. Stuff like Prop 65 will bleed over into other states, just as regulations on emissions and chemicals have done in the past.
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partsguy,
That was what the original post was concerned about. I notice that most items have notices about "this item contains something that is known to cause cancer in California." I think it is ridiculous. I don't pay attention to those warnings anymore. I guess if you sell items on ebay it's best to add the warning.
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The negative side effect of the law is that there are lawyers out there using Prop 65 to make money. In California, the seller (not just the maker can be sued) so lawyers have been chasing unknowing sellers.
The issue really goes beyond lead (RoHS from Europe) drove the minimization of lead in the electronics business.
Our company required every supplier to declare that their products were free of certain substances (Prop 65 and RoHS was a subset). This is a defense against the lawyers in addition to basic purpose. It applied to every purchased item as it could not be added to our procurement system database without a data sheet. This was not a big deal for a larger company and in fact you should be able to request a declaration from the USPS - especially Prop 65.
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A California Law Proposition 65 Warning on items of relevance- needed?
Product contains (one or more) chemicals , including lead...
It was a pocket knife
Safety or CYA
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I find it amazing that any of us boomers survived. My first dentist always had a lit cigar in his mouth and gave all the kids a capsule of amalgam (an alloy of mercury) to take home to play with.
People are becoming afraid of their own shadows.
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
That is so true. Lead is one of the most common elements in the soil averaging 15-60 ppm. Yet you have states and countries trying to set limits way lower than this. Not being well informed creates unnecessary fear.
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Bye, bye, boys.
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Headline, CBS News, March, 2020:
How is this not a problem?
Early results from 174 Flint children exposed to lead during water crisis
shows 80% of them will require special education services
Bob
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
Bob,
I knew about Flint water, but not the special ed ramification.
So, we have a poor town that couldn't afford to pay for water now has a generation of children who will always need remedial education and additional medical treatment. Good luck with that.
The fact that city, state, and federal administrations all tried to hide the problem, even after it was known, implies it is unlikely to admit other, related problems that are far easier to hide or dispute. As someone who watched my own district dismiss extra educational needs for years, i can speak to educational district's instransigence here.
Sorry to move the discussion to lead's ramifications rather than the lead issue itself; just reinforcing Bob's comment.
So, does anyone know about stamps' lead content, the original queery?
David
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
I am a bit confused.
The question here is whether stamps contain lead and all I see here is a comment about almangan that the dentist used to use.
Who is the original poster of this question?
I only know about :
Stamps of gold or silver.
Stamps with sulfuric acid in the gum.
Stamps made of fabrics.
But lead?
It's apparently fake news
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D2M2 is the original poster
as is our want, we got off track and never actually answered the question.
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03:05:26pm
re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
I am the guilty party here and owe the OP an apology. The original post regarded listing either stamps or postcards on Ebay and referenced having to check a box re: one of the "known to the State of California to cause ....." California Propositions in order to complete the listings I believe.
It is a personal red flag item and when I was teaching sociology a couple of decades ago I stressed the need to think about what we are being told to shape and mold our beliefs and actions and why. STOP. Not going to get political here.
I felt it closely associated with the original post at the time. I was wrong.
Carol / webpaper.
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
Do postage stamps contain lead? Unlikely as lead is a HEAVY metal and would (in a bulk of mail) add weight to the mail shipments - both airmail and bagged mail that has to be manhandled.
Just try not to drink your postage stamps.
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
I guess that maybe like others I thought the original post was jokey. If there was lead it would be in the ink and somewhat minute per stamp.
I guess technically, that if there was lead dissolved in the water used in the paper manufacture, or in that needed to damp paper before printing that it could conceivably still be present after printing. Again it would be so minute in quantity as to be hardly detectable.
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
Yep, lead is heavy but gold too.
Golden stamp from the Netherlands :
Silver stamp from the Netherlands :
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
The OP was questioning the reasoning behind eBay requesting a California Prop 65 warning for something as harmless as stamps.
Prop 65 warnings, intended to alert people to the possible health hazards in products they purchase sort of exploded into a catch-all rule, where pretty much ANYTHING sent to California now bears a label telling the consumer that it may contain hazardous chemicals. Sellers are required to label their products before they are shipped to California, if they contain any of over 300 "listed" chemicals in amounts higher than a certain threshold.
In an effort to CYA, most people who still ship to California addresses just slap a Prop 65 sticker on everything they ship, to avoid going through the extensive list of substances, and trying to determine their threshold levels. Our dealership has a relatively minor online business selling auto parts via our website. I won't ship to California anymore, as the extra steps to maintain compliance just isn't worth the hassle for the small profits we see from this side hustle.
This "blanket" effect really undermines the original intentions of the Prop 65, which was to identify products that actually may cause harm. Now, that warning is diluted by all the extraneous labels applied by shippers who want to be compliant, but don't have the resources to research every single item they offer for sale. The prop 65 label might as well just say "Everything will kill you eventually, don't say we didn't warn you!"
As far as the automobile and auto repair industries are concerned, California has some pretty draconian environmental laws, and they have enough influence that other states, as well as the Federal Government often use them as a template for their own laws. Stuff like Prop 65 will bleed over into other states, just as regulations on emissions and chemicals have done in the past.
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
partsguy,
That was what the original post was concerned about. I notice that most items have notices about "this item contains something that is known to cause cancer in California." I think it is ridiculous. I don't pay attention to those warnings anymore. I guess if you sell items on ebay it's best to add the warning.
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
The negative side effect of the law is that there are lawyers out there using Prop 65 to make money. In California, the seller (not just the maker can be sued) so lawyers have been chasing unknowing sellers.
The issue really goes beyond lead (RoHS from Europe) drove the minimization of lead in the electronics business.
Our company required every supplier to declare that their products were free of certain substances (Prop 65 and RoHS was a subset). This is a defense against the lawyers in addition to basic purpose. It applied to every purchased item as it could not be added to our procurement system database without a data sheet. This was not a big deal for a larger company and in fact you should be able to request a declaration from the USPS - especially Prop 65.
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
A California Law Proposition 65 Warning on items of relevance- needed?
Product contains (one or more) chemicals , including lead...
It was a pocket knife
Safety or CYA
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re: Do 20th century postage stamps contain lead?
This thread has been split, moving 2 posts onto a new Thread titled:"eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories"
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