"The OP was questioning the reasoning behind eBay requesting a California Prop 65 warning for something as harmless as stamps."
I doubt someone can prove fraud. I made 2 purchases from ebay last month and did not encounter any issues with shipping costs. I got both for the shipping of one item.
"I charge $1 shipping per order. I've put in my "Default Shipping" that additional items will be shipped for free. When eBay does the automatic relist of items, it creates a new shipping category that charges $1 per item.. for each and every item."
Hi Roy-
Thanks for attempting to help.
I do have a store. When I go to My eBay and click on SELL, I wind up at Seller Hub.
Take a look at my post on eBay's board...
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Seller-Tools/Frustrated-With-Shipping-Policy-eBay-Keeps-Adding-A-New-Policy/m-p/32564293#M36785
The access to what I described above is not through Sell Hub.
Click on "My ebay" (top right menu line)
Choose "Summary" from the drop down list
Choose the "Account" link in the line "Activities / Messages / Account"
Then you can start with my instructions above.
Roy
P.S. Sorry, if you are using "Business Policies", I don't use them, so can't help. They are something different and not required.
Tom that has always been the case. One of the reasons I went to free shipping on my postcards and stamps. For the buyer it really isn't free as I raise my price s accordingly just as I will due to eBay sending me a 1099k. I now will change what I accept as a best offer to include the tax. Everyone will be doing that. I used to always refund but only after deducting what eBay kept.
Greg
Thanks Roy! I just went through your process, as difficult and confusing as eBay makes it, and I see the policy I created. "Pay One Shipping Fee". The terms are exactly as I set them before as "Default Shipping Policy". Let's see what happens.
And Greg is correct... the companies I buy from in the USA/Covers/Historic Covers category all state you should send them a message for an invoice to get combined shipping. I've tried to pay them through eBay Checkout and it refuses to acknowledge combined shipping. Like Greg they've all given up and go to extra work to create invoices.
And one of the problems is that customers don't read! I have the same disclaimer in all of my listings... Message me for an invoice! And every day I'm refunding postage.
Both Greg and I have IT backgrounds. If eBay's system is so mired in incompetence that the average person cannot navigate it, and eBay profits from it, it indeed amounts to fraud under US law.
I'm currently working with a major US pharma company on distribution of computer equipment to employees. I just documented $500,000 in lost productivity due to confusion on one decision point in their internal computer request form. I went to one meeting, showed my information, and they've got people immediately fixing what I found. That's the way it needs to be!
The fact that eBay's system is a total unnavigable mess is totally unacceptable. Do you know there are still pages advertising Turbo Lister in their system? The links on it are all dead, but they don't even know the pages exist.
"And one of the problems is that customers don't read! I have the same disclaimer in all of my listings... Message me for an invoice! And every day I'm refunding postage. "
Good, I hope it works for you.
However, if they pay for each item individually, instead of using the "Add to Cart" button, none of this will work. It only works "ON THE SAME INVOICE". And once they have paid, you can't uncombine and recombine the invoice.
My listings include the following in the description:
---------------------------------------------------------
Only one shipping charge on our individual stamp lots.
All additional purchases on the same invoice are added with free postage
To be eligible for shipping discount, items MUST be on the same invoice.
If you are not using the "Add to cart" button, please do not pay for multiple items separately -- request a Combined Invoice.
-------------------------------------------------------------
In the event they don't read and pay individually, I refund with postage at face value and include the following little flyer:
(Of course, this is for Canadian customers.)
Since you are buying discount postage, you are still making money on this (but I am actually generous with the refund and send a bit more than face value).
Roy
Refunding in postage is a great idea Roy! Just as folks are happy when you use an array of old commemorative stamps on their order, they'd probably like to get mint old stamps.
As I refund those dollars through eBay's payment system, I think it's only a matter of time until they decide that excessive refunds (in some arbitrary number like 3!) is now a seller defect!
Funny thing though... nobody ever says "Thanks" when you refund them!
"Part of the problem is that at the end of an auction, the buyer is sent a message from Ebay "you won, pay now, click here" or words to that effect."
I believe that the problem that ebay and other sites have is that they do not have users working in the application process, not do they have real users in the testing process. At least ebay does not move something into production and then test it. Case in point in addition to postcards - vinyl. They recently put in a change where you need to put an sign number for listing vinyl. Most low do not have an sign number. So people fudge it or if they get lucky like I did. Find some o!d listing that someone got listed where it says non applicable. And do a list same as. Still you still need to manually enter the title and artist which was already entered in thevtitle. Makes no sense. Likewise when you list stamps it asks you if you have a certificate and from who. Who would pay for that for a dollar stamp? I'll bet that people are just taking the top entry in the drop down and ignoring it. They have category issues well as they cannot be consistent with British colonies and the carribean. Just makes everything take longer. The best thing they had was turbolister and for some reason discontinued it. Tom if you get into postcard in a big way look At hippostcard. The bulk listed is awesome
Greg
I had a chuckle to myself this afternooon. I maxed out on auctions for the month so I've been listing old first day covers as fixed price items. The first time I erred and did a listing "Sell Similar" from an auction, it stopped me dead with the cost box being 25 cents to list.
Then it hit me.. the part of their software that adds up my "free" listings works perfectly! And no doubt the part that wants to charge me a quarter a listing would work perfectly as well! Why? Because it's to their benefit.
And this is why the postage charging bit is allowed to be faulty for years... because no matter what happens eBay gets a percentage of either overcharged or refunded postage! Think about that.
My long years of business training make me cautious of an organizations software that flubs simple transactions. It makes me leery as to how they will do more complex things.. like sales tax remittances, 1099 forms to sellers...
My experience is over 35 years in the pharmaceutical industry where software goes through FDA validation. And if the slightest thing is off, entire batches of product will be scrapped. And it's to the Nth degree. I saw the FDA file a complaint that a maintenance management system's mobile application recorded the time of service to be the time the mobile device fed the data to the system, rather than the exact time a pump may have been calibrated. It would have been within a few hours, usually the download would be by a technician at the end of shift. Shouldn't be an issue as long as the service took place within the calibration window, but FDA demanded the entire mobile system be replaced!
I was recently speaking with a potential client in the financial industry. We were speaking about both being regulated industries, and the importance of maintaining server integrity.
That gets me thinking... what agency is responsible for the integrity and honesty of eBay's systems? Considering it's a banking operation, handling money for clients? Everything from the transaction system, to the user experience needs to be looked at. What government agency holds them accountable?
Tom, I have no idea how to cut and paste using a kindle so do a search on nerdylorrin. Quite funny. Click the link he has for ebay postage from China and drop down to the ebay story. How is this allowed? I have gotten free shipping from China myself. There is no regulation of ebay unless you are a smallvfish. In spite of an anchor store I am a small fish. Rules are always different depending on the size of the fish. No use complaining to them. Make too much noise and they bounce you off for 30 days. There is no seller protection. When someone claims non receipt, since ebay feels the post workers are my employees and I am personally responsible for their errors, I refund the buyer and block the bidder. Don't want them messing up again. I also elected not to support their increase in the forever stamp not will I support their under a pound package increase. Sorry. You can be profitable, but refuse to do what is necessary. I refuse to pay more for something that you could fix it you wanted to. Every year I hope that Amazon puts an end to the of the USPS package delivery. I have to wonder who is paying them not to.
Here's the link: https://www.nerdylorrin.net/jerry/postages/
In speaking of the Forever Stamps... funny thing is that this is the best stamp collectors investment of the past 50 years! I have a few rolls of postcard stamps bought for my model club's annual mailing at 35 cents a stamp. Now those stamps are worth 40 cents! That's about a 15% profit! Yea me!
The rest of our stamp collections? Commemoratives etc bought over the past 50 years are generally worth 50-60% of their original face value!?!
And dealing with the post office? This past week I went to the Exton, PA post office, a decent size place with three counter clerks and still a waiting line of customers. My turn. I ask for a dollar's worth of 1 cent stamps. Clerk asks me, "How many is that?" My response, " 100 stamps... or 5 sheets of 20." He goes thundering off to the shared cabinet of stamps, comes back with 5 stamps! "That's all we had." I ask why they don't have stamps in stock. He replies it's because they are useless. I explain that I have a sheet of 37 cent stamps and a sheet of 20 cent stamps... I need penny stamps to make the 58 cent rate. He agrees he'll order them for me.
I go back the next day. I ask if he has my stamps. He says the shipment came in, and goes back to the stamp cabinet. Only he emerges with 3 sheets (60 stamps!). I ask why only 60 and he replies that he did indeed order 100 for me. He shrugs that someone must've bought the other 40! I ask him, "I thought you told me they were useless!" ARGH!
" ... The fact that eBay's system is a total unnavigable
mess is totally unacceptabe ...."
Unacceptable to whom ?
There is an old scammer's motto;
" .. Dazzle them with footwork and baffle them with B--- S---. .."
or, the reverse.
Tom I've said it before. Buy discount postage especially from the seller I gave you. Forget the penny. Only the carrier would notice and I can tell you from a few months of testing domestically and a year internationally they do not notice. Put some stamps sideways and upside down as well. The more the work the less they will do
"The more the work the less they will do"
Greg, I have purchased the discount postage from your source, and am ready to go back for another $100!
You are right, I probably could just forget the extra penny stamp, but with my luck one of my customers would get charged a penny postage due and give me a negative!
I do set up 20 or more envelopes at the same time... lick the million stamps.. Rubber stamp "Do Not Bend Or Fold" front and back... Rubber stamp my return address and add my turtle!
The Stamp Center / Dutch County Auctions in Wilmington, Delaware is about a half hour from my house. A while back I had a conversation with the owner about discount postage. He sells it to others but doesn't use it on his mailings because he has hired help. He said that once he pays someone $10-15 an hour, he's not saving anything!
Oh.. several years ago I got a "Return To Sender"... It had all the nice stamps I used blacked out with Sharpie and "NOT VALID FOR POSTAGE" hand written on it. I drove to my local post office and got the top guy in that day. He just shook his head and said it was probably someone at the sorting center. He handed me one of their official envelopes and told me to address it to my friend. Then we stuck my screwed up envelope, still sealed, inside. At least it got there!
Moved post to separate thread since not related to original topic
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
"The OP was questioning the reasoning behind eBay requesting a California Prop 65 warning for something as harmless as stamps."
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
I doubt someone can prove fraud. I made 2 purchases from ebay last month and did not encounter any issues with shipping costs. I got both for the shipping of one item.
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
"I charge $1 shipping per order. I've put in my "Default Shipping" that additional items will be shipped for free. When eBay does the automatic relist of items, it creates a new shipping category that charges $1 per item.. for each and every item."
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Hi Roy-
Thanks for attempting to help.
I do have a store. When I go to My eBay and click on SELL, I wind up at Seller Hub.
Take a look at my post on eBay's board...
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Seller-Tools/Frustrated-With-Shipping-Policy-eBay-Keeps-Adding-A-New-Policy/m-p/32564293#M36785
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
The access to what I described above is not through Sell Hub.
Click on "My ebay" (top right menu line)
Choose "Summary" from the drop down list
Choose the "Account" link in the line "Activities / Messages / Account"
Then you can start with my instructions above.
Roy
P.S. Sorry, if you are using "Business Policies", I don't use them, so can't help. They are something different and not required.
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Tom that has always been the case. One of the reasons I went to free shipping on my postcards and stamps. For the buyer it really isn't free as I raise my price s accordingly just as I will due to eBay sending me a 1099k. I now will change what I accept as a best offer to include the tax. Everyone will be doing that. I used to always refund but only after deducting what eBay kept.
Greg
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Thanks Roy! I just went through your process, as difficult and confusing as eBay makes it, and I see the policy I created. "Pay One Shipping Fee". The terms are exactly as I set them before as "Default Shipping Policy". Let's see what happens.
And Greg is correct... the companies I buy from in the USA/Covers/Historic Covers category all state you should send them a message for an invoice to get combined shipping. I've tried to pay them through eBay Checkout and it refuses to acknowledge combined shipping. Like Greg they've all given up and go to extra work to create invoices.
And one of the problems is that customers don't read! I have the same disclaimer in all of my listings... Message me for an invoice! And every day I'm refunding postage.
Both Greg and I have IT backgrounds. If eBay's system is so mired in incompetence that the average person cannot navigate it, and eBay profits from it, it indeed amounts to fraud under US law.
I'm currently working with a major US pharma company on distribution of computer equipment to employees. I just documented $500,000 in lost productivity due to confusion on one decision point in their internal computer request form. I went to one meeting, showed my information, and they've got people immediately fixing what I found. That's the way it needs to be!
The fact that eBay's system is a total unnavigable mess is totally unacceptable. Do you know there are still pages advertising Turbo Lister in their system? The links on it are all dead, but they don't even know the pages exist.
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
"And one of the problems is that customers don't read! I have the same disclaimer in all of my listings... Message me for an invoice! And every day I'm refunding postage. "
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Good, I hope it works for you.
However, if they pay for each item individually, instead of using the "Add to Cart" button, none of this will work. It only works "ON THE SAME INVOICE". And once they have paid, you can't uncombine and recombine the invoice.
My listings include the following in the description:
---------------------------------------------------------
Only one shipping charge on our individual stamp lots.
All additional purchases on the same invoice are added with free postage
To be eligible for shipping discount, items MUST be on the same invoice.
If you are not using the "Add to cart" button, please do not pay for multiple items separately -- request a Combined Invoice.
-------------------------------------------------------------
In the event they don't read and pay individually, I refund with postage at face value and include the following little flyer:
(Of course, this is for Canadian customers.)
Since you are buying discount postage, you are still making money on this (but I am actually generous with the refund and send a bit more than face value).
Roy
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Refunding in postage is a great idea Roy! Just as folks are happy when you use an array of old commemorative stamps on their order, they'd probably like to get mint old stamps.
As I refund those dollars through eBay's payment system, I think it's only a matter of time until they decide that excessive refunds (in some arbitrary number like 3!) is now a seller defect!
Funny thing though... nobody ever says "Thanks" when you refund them!
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
"Part of the problem is that at the end of an auction, the buyer is sent a message from Ebay "you won, pay now, click here" or words to that effect."
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
I believe that the problem that ebay and other sites have is that they do not have users working in the application process, not do they have real users in the testing process. At least ebay does not move something into production and then test it. Case in point in addition to postcards - vinyl. They recently put in a change where you need to put an sign number for listing vinyl. Most low do not have an sign number. So people fudge it or if they get lucky like I did. Find some o!d listing that someone got listed where it says non applicable. And do a list same as. Still you still need to manually enter the title and artist which was already entered in thevtitle. Makes no sense. Likewise when you list stamps it asks you if you have a certificate and from who. Who would pay for that for a dollar stamp? I'll bet that people are just taking the top entry in the drop down and ignoring it. They have category issues well as they cannot be consistent with British colonies and the carribean. Just makes everything take longer. The best thing they had was turbolister and for some reason discontinued it. Tom if you get into postcard in a big way look At hippostcard. The bulk listed is awesome
Greg
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
I had a chuckle to myself this afternooon. I maxed out on auctions for the month so I've been listing old first day covers as fixed price items. The first time I erred and did a listing "Sell Similar" from an auction, it stopped me dead with the cost box being 25 cents to list.
Then it hit me.. the part of their software that adds up my "free" listings works perfectly! And no doubt the part that wants to charge me a quarter a listing would work perfectly as well! Why? Because it's to their benefit.
And this is why the postage charging bit is allowed to be faulty for years... because no matter what happens eBay gets a percentage of either overcharged or refunded postage! Think about that.
My long years of business training make me cautious of an organizations software that flubs simple transactions. It makes me leery as to how they will do more complex things.. like sales tax remittances, 1099 forms to sellers...
My experience is over 35 years in the pharmaceutical industry where software goes through FDA validation. And if the slightest thing is off, entire batches of product will be scrapped. And it's to the Nth degree. I saw the FDA file a complaint that a maintenance management system's mobile application recorded the time of service to be the time the mobile device fed the data to the system, rather than the exact time a pump may have been calibrated. It would have been within a few hours, usually the download would be by a technician at the end of shift. Shouldn't be an issue as long as the service took place within the calibration window, but FDA demanded the entire mobile system be replaced!
I was recently speaking with a potential client in the financial industry. We were speaking about both being regulated industries, and the importance of maintaining server integrity.
That gets me thinking... what agency is responsible for the integrity and honesty of eBay's systems? Considering it's a banking operation, handling money for clients? Everything from the transaction system, to the user experience needs to be looked at. What government agency holds them accountable?
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Tom, I have no idea how to cut and paste using a kindle so do a search on nerdylorrin. Quite funny. Click the link he has for ebay postage from China and drop down to the ebay story. How is this allowed? I have gotten free shipping from China myself. There is no regulation of ebay unless you are a smallvfish. In spite of an anchor store I am a small fish. Rules are always different depending on the size of the fish. No use complaining to them. Make too much noise and they bounce you off for 30 days. There is no seller protection. When someone claims non receipt, since ebay feels the post workers are my employees and I am personally responsible for their errors, I refund the buyer and block the bidder. Don't want them messing up again. I also elected not to support their increase in the forever stamp not will I support their under a pound package increase. Sorry. You can be profitable, but refuse to do what is necessary. I refuse to pay more for something that you could fix it you wanted to. Every year I hope that Amazon puts an end to the of the USPS package delivery. I have to wonder who is paying them not to.
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Here's the link: https://www.nerdylorrin.net/jerry/postages/
In speaking of the Forever Stamps... funny thing is that this is the best stamp collectors investment of the past 50 years! I have a few rolls of postcard stamps bought for my model club's annual mailing at 35 cents a stamp. Now those stamps are worth 40 cents! That's about a 15% profit! Yea me!
The rest of our stamp collections? Commemoratives etc bought over the past 50 years are generally worth 50-60% of their original face value!?!
And dealing with the post office? This past week I went to the Exton, PA post office, a decent size place with three counter clerks and still a waiting line of customers. My turn. I ask for a dollar's worth of 1 cent stamps. Clerk asks me, "How many is that?" My response, " 100 stamps... or 5 sheets of 20." He goes thundering off to the shared cabinet of stamps, comes back with 5 stamps! "That's all we had." I ask why they don't have stamps in stock. He replies it's because they are useless. I explain that I have a sheet of 37 cent stamps and a sheet of 20 cent stamps... I need penny stamps to make the 58 cent rate. He agrees he'll order them for me.
I go back the next day. I ask if he has my stamps. He says the shipment came in, and goes back to the stamp cabinet. Only he emerges with 3 sheets (60 stamps!). I ask why only 60 and he replies that he did indeed order 100 for me. He shrugs that someone must've bought the other 40! I ask him, "I thought you told me they were useless!" ARGH!
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
" ... The fact that eBay's system is a total unnavigable
mess is totally unacceptabe ...."
Unacceptable to whom ?
There is an old scammer's motto;
" .. Dazzle them with footwork and baffle them with B--- S---. .."
or, the reverse.
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Tom I've said it before. Buy discount postage especially from the seller I gave you. Forget the penny. Only the carrier would notice and I can tell you from a few months of testing domestically and a year internationally they do not notice. Put some stamps sideways and upside down as well. The more the work the less they will do
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
"The more the work the less they will do"
re: eBay has revamped their website by eliminating categories
Greg, I have purchased the discount postage from your source, and am ready to go back for another $100!
You are right, I probably could just forget the extra penny stamp, but with my luck one of my customers would get charged a penny postage due and give me a negative!
I do set up 20 or more envelopes at the same time... lick the million stamps.. Rubber stamp "Do Not Bend Or Fold" front and back... Rubber stamp my return address and add my turtle!
The Stamp Center / Dutch County Auctions in Wilmington, Delaware is about a half hour from my house. A while back I had a conversation with the owner about discount postage. He sells it to others but doesn't use it on his mailings because he has hired help. He said that once he pays someone $10-15 an hour, he's not saving anything!
Oh.. several years ago I got a "Return To Sender"... It had all the nice stamps I used blacked out with Sharpie and "NOT VALID FOR POSTAGE" hand written on it. I drove to my local post office and got the top guy in that day. He just shook his head and said it was probably someone at the sorting center. He handed me one of their official envelopes and told me to address it to my friend. Then we stuck my screwed up envelope, still sealed, inside. At least it got there!