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Calstamp

13 Nov 2021
06:34:58pm

Greetings.

Does anyone recall a discussion on SOR regarding a specialty album or specialty pages for Belgian railway and parcel post stamps? And of so, outcome?

My recollection is a collector/philatelist in north Florida (Jacksonville area?) had designed and/or produced such pages. However, efforts to contact this person were unsuccessful.

Does any other SOR member have an interest in such stamps?

Thanks in advance.
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13 Nov 2021
07:03:50pm

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hi,
I collect Belgian railway / parcel post stamps, but I do not use (pre)printed album pages. I just put them in a stock book, giving me maximum flexibility as to presentation and layout.

Apart from that, it also leaves the possibility to expand, for instance to include the different types of cancellations.

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14 Nov 2021
12:19:34am
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

Kelly collects them. You may be thinking of her posts from several years ago. She lives in Canada.

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14 Nov 2021
07:42:42am

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Of interest. Several years ago I viewed a large map with Belgium railway and parcel post stamps affixed to each railway station shown on the map. This was pretty neat and was possible because you can read most of the station name on each stamp. On the downside, he was trying to sell it without much success.

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14 Nov 2021
08:15:56am
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

Maybe this is what you are thinking of?



https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=17868#133973


Note the last comment in the thread.

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14 Nov 2021
09:25:08am
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

The Minkus Belgium album has the pages in chronological order through out the album.

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Harvey

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14 Nov 2021
10:52:41am
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

That's what I like about the Minkus albums, I have Russia and Poland. Except for the really odd stuff, things like airmail, postage due, etc. are in chronological order throughout the album. To me it's a much better way to do things!

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Calstamp

14 Nov 2021
02:56:35pm
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Thank you to everyone who responded to this thread.

Late last evening I found (on a different site) the discussion thread which served as the catalyst for my question. Which, in turn, caused me to do some addtl digging.

While a considerable body of research regarding Belgian railway and/or parcel post stamps has been produced across the years, the so-called "specialty" pages remain no more than a concept or discussion point. ("Specialty" defined as something more detailed than pages produced by Scott or Steiner.)

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14 Nov 2021
04:26:30pm

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I always wondered why Belgium had so many more railway and parcel post stamps than say France or the Netherlands. I like the round postoffice type cancels.

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Calstamp

14 Nov 2021
05:45:51pm
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Hello Phil.

That's an interesting question. And one which I, too, have pondered.

Perhaps Jan-Simon will provide some insight regarding The Netherlands. While I have amassed some France "colis postaux" stamps, the number and variety is not on par with Belgium. (Perhaps this is attributable to my novice status.)

Anyway, this is yet further evidence of why "stamp collecting" has held my interest for several decades.


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Calstamp

14 Nov 2021
06:19:42pm
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Came across a few interesting sites.

Railway Philatelic Group (UK based)

onni dot no (Norway railways)

alphabetilately dot org slash toc slash parcels

And unfortunately a dead link to a site credited to Hans Vink

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15 Nov 2021
03:30:08am

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There is a fundamental difference between the railways mail in the Netherlands and that in Belgium. In the Netherlands it was also possible between 1924 and 1979 (with a break during WW2) to send letters by train, as some sort of express mail service. At an extra fee (the railway stamps had to be attached to the letter as proof that this was paid) one could drop off a letter at the luggage office of the railway station and the letter would be taken on the next train to the destination. It was a service that was primarily used by and for newspapers in a time that articles and photos could not be emailed.

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Examples of the few Dutch railwaystamps issued between 1946 and 1979 (almost complete!)

Apart from that, it was possible to send packages by the railways. Unlinke in Belgium, where for a long time the railways had the monopoly for transport of parcels heavier than 5 kgs, this was one of the options for the sender. See the difference: letters and packages in the Netherlands, packages in Belgium, a service in the Netherlands vs. no choice in Belgium.

The Dutch railway parcel service started before the express letter service, in 1914 and the stamp issuing history is a bit more complex. At the time there were two competing railway companies, De Staatsspoorwegen and the Hollandsche IJzeren Spoorweg Maatschappij. They merged in 1920, but before that merge there were 4 types of stamps: yellow for the stations of the SS, purple for the stations of the HSM, red for the dependencies of SS (offices where you could drop off packages) and green for the dependencies of HSM.

Apart from that, there have been four periods with three different printers:

1913 to 1923 Joh. Enschedé & Zonen, Haarlem. In 1923: Lindenbaum & Co., Amsterdam. 1924-1934 Enschedé again and from 1934 to 1944 the Nederlandse Speciaaldrukkerijen in Rotterdam. Sets consist of 17 different values from 5 cents to 3 guilders. Each printer made the sets in different perforation gauges... so it may look like there are far less stamps, the amount of work to get a complete collection is as daunting as for Belgium.
What does not help of course, is that Dutch railway stamps are not listed in the major catalogues and Belgian railway parcel stamps are. This makes the Dutch stamps more obscure and less collectable.

Jan-Simon

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Calstamp

15 Nov 2021
09:13:42am
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Jan-Simon.

Thank you. Very informative posting. Appreciate the way you provide a clear comparison/contrast btwn the railway/parcel post practices of the neighboring countries.

As luck would have it, just obtained my first Netherlands railway stamp. The 1946 issue shown in the first position of your posting.

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15 Nov 2021
06:00:17pm

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Hello Siem, what do i have here...i thought they were Netherlands railroad stamps ? Sorry they may be hard to make out..light yellow color.Image Not Found

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Calstamp

15 Nov 2021
08:58:17pm
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Phil.

Hope you don’t mind my jumping in.

Believe your stamp is Type C, Dutch Railways, from the period 1914 - 1946.

The period after the word “cent” is an identifying (differentiating?) mark.

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15 Nov 2021
09:47:47pm

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No i do not mind at all..what i showed is all i have on the Dutch railway system.

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Billliz1025

20 Nov 2021
08:38:32pm
re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

I know this is too late but I have hingeless Schaubek album of Belgium railway that I purchased for a couple of bucks on Ebay. It looks like it was made around 1970 and had a few supplements added. I have no idea if anything like it is still made.

Bill

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21 Nov 2021
08:50:22am
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Belgium Railways preprinted color pages for sale on Ebay from Portugal - 1879-1987 54 pages;


https://www.ebay.com/itm/401399937988?hash=item5d754cfbc4:g:4OwAAOSwP8BZsI9Y

They appear to be quite in-depth - scroll down the page to the images and you will see quite a few examples.

Not too bad of a price for the pages, but shipping cost is pretty high.

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Calstamp

13 Nov 2021
06:34:58pm


Greetings.

Does anyone recall a discussion on SOR regarding a specialty album or specialty pages for Belgian railway and parcel post stamps? And of so, outcome?

My recollection is a collector/philatelist in north Florida (Jacksonville area?) had designed and/or produced such pages. However, efforts to contact this person were unsuccessful.

Does any other SOR member have an interest in such stamps?

Thanks in advance.

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Jansimon

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13 Nov 2021
07:03:50pm

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re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

hi,
I collect Belgian railway / parcel post stamps, but I do not use (pre)printed album pages. I just put them in a stock book, giving me maximum flexibility as to presentation and layout.

Apart from that, it also leaves the possibility to expand, for instance to include the different types of cancellations.

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michael78651

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14 Nov 2021
12:19:34am

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

Kelly collects them. You may be thinking of her posts from several years ago. She lives in Canada.

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14 Nov 2021
07:42:42am

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re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

Of interest. Several years ago I viewed a large map with Belgium railway and parcel post stamps affixed to each railway station shown on the map. This was pretty neat and was possible because you can read most of the station name on each stamp. On the downside, he was trying to sell it without much success.

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musicman

APS #213005
14 Nov 2021
08:15:56am

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

Maybe this is what you are thinking of?



https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=17868#133973


Note the last comment in the thread.

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fredcdobbs

APS # 224327
14 Nov 2021
09:25:08am

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

The Minkus Belgium album has the pages in chronological order through out the album.

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Harvey

I think, therefore I am - I think!

14 Nov 2021
10:52:41am

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

That's what I like about the Minkus albums, I have Russia and Poland. Except for the really odd stuff, things like airmail, postage due, etc. are in chronological order throughout the album. To me it's a much better way to do things!

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Calstamp

14 Nov 2021
02:56:35pm

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Thank you to everyone who responded to this thread.

Late last evening I found (on a different site) the discussion thread which served as the catalyst for my question. Which, in turn, caused me to do some addtl digging.

While a considerable body of research regarding Belgian railway and/or parcel post stamps has been produced across the years, the so-called "specialty" pages remain no more than a concept or discussion point. ("Specialty" defined as something more detailed than pages produced by Scott or Steiner.)

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philb

14 Nov 2021
04:26:30pm

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re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

I always wondered why Belgium had so many more railway and parcel post stamps than say France or the Netherlands. I like the round postoffice type cancels.

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"And every hair is measured like every grain of sand"
Calstamp

14 Nov 2021
05:45:51pm

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Hello Phil.

That's an interesting question. And one which I, too, have pondered.

Perhaps Jan-Simon will provide some insight regarding The Netherlands. While I have amassed some France "colis postaux" stamps, the number and variety is not on par with Belgium. (Perhaps this is attributable to my novice status.)

Anyway, this is yet further evidence of why "stamp collecting" has held my interest for several decades.


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Calstamp

14 Nov 2021
06:19:42pm

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Came across a few interesting sites.

Railway Philatelic Group (UK based)

onni dot no (Norway railways)

alphabetilately dot org slash toc slash parcels

And unfortunately a dead link to a site credited to Hans Vink

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Jansimon

collector, seller, MT member
15 Nov 2021
03:30:08am

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re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

There is a fundamental difference between the railways mail in the Netherlands and that in Belgium. In the Netherlands it was also possible between 1924 and 1979 (with a break during WW2) to send letters by train, as some sort of express mail service. At an extra fee (the railway stamps had to be attached to the letter as proof that this was paid) one could drop off a letter at the luggage office of the railway station and the letter would be taken on the next train to the destination. It was a service that was primarily used by and for newspapers in a time that articles and photos could not be emailed.

Image Not Found

Examples of the few Dutch railwaystamps issued between 1946 and 1979 (almost complete!)

Apart from that, it was possible to send packages by the railways. Unlinke in Belgium, where for a long time the railways had the monopoly for transport of parcels heavier than 5 kgs, this was one of the options for the sender. See the difference: letters and packages in the Netherlands, packages in Belgium, a service in the Netherlands vs. no choice in Belgium.

The Dutch railway parcel service started before the express letter service, in 1914 and the stamp issuing history is a bit more complex. At the time there were two competing railway companies, De Staatsspoorwegen and the Hollandsche IJzeren Spoorweg Maatschappij. They merged in 1920, but before that merge there were 4 types of stamps: yellow for the stations of the SS, purple for the stations of the HSM, red for the dependencies of SS (offices where you could drop off packages) and green for the dependencies of HSM.

Apart from that, there have been four periods with three different printers:

1913 to 1923 Joh. Enschedé & Zonen, Haarlem. In 1923: Lindenbaum & Co., Amsterdam. 1924-1934 Enschedé again and from 1934 to 1944 the Nederlandse Speciaaldrukkerijen in Rotterdam. Sets consist of 17 different values from 5 cents to 3 guilders. Each printer made the sets in different perforation gauges... so it may look like there are far less stamps, the amount of work to get a complete collection is as daunting as for Belgium.
What does not help of course, is that Dutch railway stamps are not listed in the major catalogues and Belgian railway parcel stamps are. This makes the Dutch stamps more obscure and less collectable.

Jan-Simon

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Calstamp

15 Nov 2021
09:13:42am

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Jan-Simon.

Thank you. Very informative posting. Appreciate the way you provide a clear comparison/contrast btwn the railway/parcel post practices of the neighboring countries.

As luck would have it, just obtained my first Netherlands railway stamp. The 1946 issue shown in the first position of your posting.

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philb

15 Nov 2021
06:00:17pm

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re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

Hello Siem, what do i have here...i thought they were Netherlands railroad stamps ? Sorry they may be hard to make out..light yellow color.Image Not Found

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"And every hair is measured like every grain of sand"
Calstamp

15 Nov 2021
08:58:17pm

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps


Phil.

Hope you don’t mind my jumping in.

Believe your stamp is Type C, Dutch Railways, from the period 1914 - 1946.

The period after the word “cent” is an identifying (differentiating?) mark.

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philb

15 Nov 2021
09:47:47pm

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re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

No i do not mind at all..what i showed is all i have on the Dutch railway system.

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"And every hair is measured like every grain of sand"
Billliz1025

20 Nov 2021
08:38:32pm

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

I know this is too late but I have hingeless Schaubek album of Belgium railway that I purchased for a couple of bucks on Ebay. It looks like it was made around 1970 and had a few supplements added. I have no idea if anything like it is still made.

Bill

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musicman

APS #213005
21 Nov 2021
08:50:22am

re: Belgium: railway and parcel post stamps

Belgium Railways preprinted color pages for sale on Ebay from Portugal - 1879-1987 54 pages;


https://www.ebay.com/itm/401399937988?hash=item5d754cfbc4:g:4OwAAOSwP8BZsI9Y

They appear to be quite in-depth - scroll down the page to the images and you will see quite a few examples.

Not too bad of a price for the pages, but shipping cost is pretty high.

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