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Personally every stamp I put up for sale in the auction is given a number that I believe is correct. I do not use any number that a previous owner has given the item.
However it all depends on what catalogue is used.
Catalogues are infamous in the way they are numbered. Some do not differentiate that a stamp can be produced with different watermarks and perforations. In some cases they cannot even list in the order the stamps were released. They can also make it difficult by failing to properly describe a stamp and of course in some cases they only price a set of stamps rather than individual stamps within a set. They can also have typo errors.
Sellers like buyers do not know everything about everything and are human so mistakes can and will be made.
Nobody is perfect other than me of course.
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I keep my listings very simple: Mi: Catalogue used Michel, SG Stanley Gibbons, etc.; Nr. Obviously relevant only for the aforementioned Cat..MNH, Used,MNG: Condition, mint used or no gum; Year of issue. So my listing will look like: Mi: 123;MNH;1989 or SG: 72, Used, 1874. That way no matter what Cat. you use you should be able to find the stamp. Since Catalogue value tends to change from one Catalogue to another it seems largely irrelevant. However if I use an European site then I will often inc. the price since it aides the buyer without having to go find a Catalogue to see what the price is. The thing of course is that not all my Cat's are up to date. The new Michel's spec's are a hundred a piece and the 7 Vol. Europe Cat are a lot more. Considering that most stamps from more modern times don't go up much, or at all I don't see the need to run out and buy new ones every year. I see that a lot of you are World wide Collectors. Just imagine going out and buying new Scott Cat's every year ! I don't know how much a World Cat from Scott is but assume them to be quite expensive.
When listing a few hundred items on a Website I am absolutely certain that I will make a typing error somewhere. So I would hope that any respective buyer would be aware that not everyone is perfect, apart from the buyer of course.
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I have had many old collections that my father had and he liked to put the Scott # under the stamp. Also when I buy some of the collections now for stamps that I need for my own collection they have Scott #'s as well. I sell off the duplicates in these collections. In the past I went 100% with the Scott #'s that were indicated. Over time I have discovered I need to double check them. For example in Portuguese Colonies the Ceres issue - Scott changed those numbers several years back from what they were originally. So the number listed under the stamp was right at that time but it has been changed. The biggest problem is when the same stamp has multiple variety's. I am not a watermark expert so I tend to go with the number already provided. As a seller I have been alerted to mistakes I have made here and on Hipstamp where I also list stamps for sale.. Steve
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Harvey,
there are lots of errors in all online auctions. There are lots of reasons why this might happen
incorrect number seller uses
incorrect number previous owner uses
catalogue revised its numbering
catalogue delisted the stamp
catalogue doesn't list specialized perfs, WMs, paper, etc.
seller didn't update pix or description between uploads
said SCOTT meant SG
picked the stamp most likely to be the one listed
cat stepped on keyboard while seller wasn't looking
seller missed the WM
anyway, happens.
Most SOR sellers are only too happy to fix things; eBay, kinda depends
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16 Sep 2021
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Please don't be insulted by this question, I'm just curious about something. Every once in a while I see an object being sold, usually at auction, that is not as advertised. I always tell the seller who changes or removes the item. This procedure is not common but it happens occasionally. Let's say a seller has an item that was part of a collection and the previous owner had the collection numbered, I do this with mine and because of the sheer number of items there are probably some mistakes, does the new owner of the collection check every item? I seriously doubt it, especially if the collection is large. Is there a solution that minimizes the amount of time? The only one I can think of is that us buyers should check whatever we buy from you wonderful sellers on SoR and notify the sellers if there is a problem. The other solution, I suppose, is if the sellers stay away from numbers altogether. That's fine with approval books but not auctions. Any comments?
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Personally every stamp I put up for sale in the auction is given a number that I believe is correct. I do not use any number that a previous owner has given the item.
However it all depends on what catalogue is used.
Catalogues are infamous in the way they are numbered. Some do not differentiate that a stamp can be produced with different watermarks and perforations. In some cases they cannot even list in the order the stamps were released. They can also make it difficult by failing to properly describe a stamp and of course in some cases they only price a set of stamps rather than individual stamps within a set. They can also have typo errors.
Sellers like buyers do not know everything about everything and are human so mistakes can and will be made.
Nobody is perfect other than me of course.
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re: A question for sellers
I keep my listings very simple: Mi: Catalogue used Michel, SG Stanley Gibbons, etc.; Nr. Obviously relevant only for the aforementioned Cat..MNH, Used,MNG: Condition, mint used or no gum; Year of issue. So my listing will look like: Mi: 123;MNH;1989 or SG: 72, Used, 1874. That way no matter what Cat. you use you should be able to find the stamp. Since Catalogue value tends to change from one Catalogue to another it seems largely irrelevant. However if I use an European site then I will often inc. the price since it aides the buyer without having to go find a Catalogue to see what the price is. The thing of course is that not all my Cat's are up to date. The new Michel's spec's are a hundred a piece and the 7 Vol. Europe Cat are a lot more. Considering that most stamps from more modern times don't go up much, or at all I don't see the need to run out and buy new ones every year. I see that a lot of you are World wide Collectors. Just imagine going out and buying new Scott Cat's every year ! I don't know how much a World Cat from Scott is but assume them to be quite expensive.
When listing a few hundred items on a Website I am absolutely certain that I will make a typing error somewhere. So I would hope that any respective buyer would be aware that not everyone is perfect, apart from the buyer of course.
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re: A question for sellers
I have had many old collections that my father had and he liked to put the Scott # under the stamp. Also when I buy some of the collections now for stamps that I need for my own collection they have Scott #'s as well. I sell off the duplicates in these collections. In the past I went 100% with the Scott #'s that were indicated. Over time I have discovered I need to double check them. For example in Portuguese Colonies the Ceres issue - Scott changed those numbers several years back from what they were originally. So the number listed under the stamp was right at that time but it has been changed. The biggest problem is when the same stamp has multiple variety's. I am not a watermark expert so I tend to go with the number already provided. As a seller I have been alerted to mistakes I have made here and on Hipstamp where I also list stamps for sale.. Steve
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re: A question for sellers
Harvey,
there are lots of errors in all online auctions. There are lots of reasons why this might happen
incorrect number seller uses
incorrect number previous owner uses
catalogue revised its numbering
catalogue delisted the stamp
catalogue doesn't list specialized perfs, WMs, paper, etc.
seller didn't update pix or description between uploads
said SCOTT meant SG
picked the stamp most likely to be the one listed
cat stepped on keyboard while seller wasn't looking
seller missed the WM
anyway, happens.
Most SOR sellers are only too happy to fix things; eBay, kinda depends
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