What we collect!

 

Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps
Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps
Stamporama Discussion Board Logo
For People Who Love To Talk About Stamps



What we collect!
67 visitors online
What we collect!
67 visitors online


Europe/Other : Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

 

Author
Postings
bhsxvet
Members Picture


16 Sep 2021
10:18:14am
I have what I called a scott #3 in my album and recently from an old album I bought somewhere I found another similar but it looks more crude or coarse. I'm thinking it is a forgery. Here are both for your opinion. Maybe both are fake. I have others of that set with the finer lines of my original #3.
My original #3:
Image Not Found
The suspect #3:
Image Not Found

Thanks
Brian

Like
Login to Like
this post
Jansimon
Members Picture


collector, seller, MT member

17 Sep 2021
03:37:19am

Approvals
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I could be mistaken, but isn't this a very common stamp? If so, why would anyone want to put in the effort of creating a forgery?

On the other hand, there is a clear difference between the two. Perhaps there are different printings, I would have to check Michel to find out more.

Like
Login to Like
this post

www.etsy.com/nl/shop/itsallmadeofpaper/
DaveSheridan
Members Picture


17 Sep 2021
04:26:53am
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I don't know the printing details, but such a common stamp would not be worth forging. The colours shown are correct for the issue. Red at top, rose at bottom.

Like
Login to Like
this post

www.ebay.com.au/str/globalphilately
bhsxvet
Members Picture


17 Sep 2021
05:15:28am
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I thought the same as both of you, it is a minimal value stamp, but who said it needs to make sense? Perhaps someone wanted practice before going on to a more 'worthy' subject.
In Scott the only other listing I found is for the perforated version. On Colnect all the values I saw look like my first one. I just found this on StampData where both versions are shown.
http://stampdata.com/stamp.php?id=31922

Like
Login to Like
this post
BrightonPete
Members Picture


Praying for Ukraine

17 Sep 2021
07:36:07am
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I have a number of the 5's that have varying degrees of coarseness. I would think that earlier printings have fresh plates, but they wear down after a while, giving poorer prints. Just my opinion.

The later perfed stamps that I have seem to be more consistent in quality.


Peter

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
pigdoc

17 Sep 2021
09:12:33am
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

Whenever I have that question, the first thing I do is ask myself, "Could this just be over/under-inking?"

When I look two stamps side-by-side, I look for design differences that could NOT be explained by over- or under-inking. Then, I compare the shapes of letters. This is often how forgeries manifest. I'm thinking of an early St. Lucia stamp. Spiro forgeries, which are very good ("dangerous") are distinct because the "S" in POSTAGE is not symmetrical top-to-bottom on the forgery. The top loop is a little more squat than the bottom loop.

Especially on older stamps, you also have to distinguish plate varieties, which can be very prevalent in some issues.

I don't see anything definitive when I compare your two Czech stamps.

stampforgeries.com is an excellent starter resource...

FWIW,
-Paul

Like
Login to Like
this post
amsd
Members Picture


Editor, Seal News; contributor, JuicyHeads

17 Sep 2021
11:56:36am
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

these look to be different impressions. the width of the 10 is quite different.

For a while I was a member of a Czech society, and the wealth of differences among the stamps was astounding. Printer's waste alone is mammoth.

I maintained some pages with color variations, which on any given issue might be astoundingly broad.


Like
Login to Like
this post

"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

juicyheads.com/link.php?PLJZJP
Calstamp

17 Sep 2021
06:32:06pm
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not


Believe the resource you want/need is entitled "The Philately of Czechoslovakia" by Phillips B Freer. Published by The Society of Czechoslovak Philately.

Like
Login to Like
this post
bhsxvet
Members Picture


17 Sep 2021
09:28:49pm
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

Thank you all for your comments.
I will put this stamp down as a printing variety based on your comments and more research. Probably not a forgery. One site put it this way:

"Upon taking over responsibilities for the posts, the new Czechoslovakian government engaged the firm Graficka Unie for the production of postage stamps. Neither the printing company nor the new government had experience in stamp production. Combined with this inexperience, issues with papers and inks and the need to regularly repair and replace the letterpress plates resulted in extensive variation"

(http://thestampcollector.net/hradcany.html)

Other sources I looked at included:
https://www.hradcany-stamps.com/
https://worldstampsproject.org/philately-of-czechoslovakia-hradcany-10h-stamp/

Brian

Like
Login to Like
this post
Calstamp

18 Sep 2021
04:12:58am
re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not


Brian.

Thank you for posting the link to the world stamp project.

The varieties described therein far exceed the info within the resource I cited. Which has now caused me to take yet another look at my duplicates of this issue/series.

Ah, the work of a philatelist is never done!




Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
        

 

Author/Postings
Members Picture
bhsxvet

16 Sep 2021
10:18:14am

I have what I called a scott #3 in my album and recently from an old album I bought somewhere I found another similar but it looks more crude or coarse. I'm thinking it is a forgery. Here are both for your opinion. Maybe both are fake. I have others of that set with the finer lines of my original #3.
My original #3:
Image Not Found
The suspect #3:
Image Not Found

Thanks
Brian

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
Jansimon

collector, seller, MT member
17 Sep 2021
03:37:19am

Approvals

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I could be mistaken, but isn't this a very common stamp? If so, why would anyone want to put in the effort of creating a forgery?

On the other hand, there is a clear difference between the two. Perhaps there are different printings, I would have to check Michel to find out more.

Like
Login to Like
this post

www.etsy.com/nl/shop ...
Members Picture
DaveSheridan

17 Sep 2021
04:26:53am

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I don't know the printing details, but such a common stamp would not be worth forging. The colours shown are correct for the issue. Red at top, rose at bottom.

Like
Login to Like
this post

www.ebay.com.au/str/ ...
Members Picture
bhsxvet

17 Sep 2021
05:15:28am

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I thought the same as both of you, it is a minimal value stamp, but who said it needs to make sense? Perhaps someone wanted practice before going on to a more 'worthy' subject.
In Scott the only other listing I found is for the perforated version. On Colnect all the values I saw look like my first one. I just found this on StampData where both versions are shown.
http://stampdata.com/stamp.php?id=31922

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
BrightonPete

Praying for Ukraine
17 Sep 2021
07:36:07am

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

I have a number of the 5's that have varying degrees of coarseness. I would think that earlier printings have fresh plates, but they wear down after a while, giving poorer prints. Just my opinion.

The later perfed stamps that I have seem to be more consistent in quality.


Peter

Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
pigdoc

17 Sep 2021
09:12:33am

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

Whenever I have that question, the first thing I do is ask myself, "Could this just be over/under-inking?"

When I look two stamps side-by-side, I look for design differences that could NOT be explained by over- or under-inking. Then, I compare the shapes of letters. This is often how forgeries manifest. I'm thinking of an early St. Lucia stamp. Spiro forgeries, which are very good ("dangerous") are distinct because the "S" in POSTAGE is not symmetrical top-to-bottom on the forgery. The top loop is a little more squat than the bottom loop.

Especially on older stamps, you also have to distinguish plate varieties, which can be very prevalent in some issues.

I don't see anything definitive when I compare your two Czech stamps.

stampforgeries.com is an excellent starter resource...

FWIW,
-Paul

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
amsd

Editor, Seal News; contributor, JuicyHeads
17 Sep 2021
11:56:36am

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

these look to be different impressions. the width of the 10 is quite different.

For a while I was a member of a Czech society, and the wealth of differences among the stamps was astounding. Printer's waste alone is mammoth.

I maintained some pages with color variations, which on any given issue might be astoundingly broad.


Like
Login to Like
this post

"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

juicyheads.com/link. ...
Calstamp

17 Sep 2021
06:32:06pm

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not


Believe the resource you want/need is entitled "The Philately of Czechoslovakia" by Phillips B Freer. Published by The Society of Czechoslovak Philately.

Like
Login to Like
this post
Members Picture
bhsxvet

17 Sep 2021
09:28:49pm

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not

Thank you all for your comments.
I will put this stamp down as a printing variety based on your comments and more research. Probably not a forgery. One site put it this way:

"Upon taking over responsibilities for the posts, the new Czechoslovakian government engaged the firm Graficka Unie for the production of postage stamps. Neither the printing company nor the new government had experience in stamp production. Combined with this inexperience, issues with papers and inks and the need to regularly repair and replace the letterpress plates resulted in extensive variation"

(http://thestampcollector.net/hradcany.html)

Other sources I looked at included:
https://www.hradcany-stamps.com/
https://worldstampsproject.org/philately-of-czechoslovakia-hradcany-10h-stamp/

Brian

Like
Login to Like
this post
Calstamp

18 Sep 2021
04:12:58am

re: Czechoslovakia, Scott #3 forgery? - Not


Brian.

Thank you for posting the link to the world stamp project.

The varieties described therein far exceed the info within the resource I cited. Which has now caused me to take yet another look at my duplicates of this issue/series.

Ah, the work of a philatelist is never done!




Like 
1 Member
likes this post.
Login to Like.
        

Contact Webmaster | Visitors Online | Unsubscribe Emails


User Agreement

Copyright © 2022 Stamporama.com