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I don't know if the policy has changed, but Ras Al Khaima, Ajman and the likes used to be ignored by Scott, and rightfully so, if you'd ask me. (My reference is a 2009 copy)
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There were several fairly detailed discussions on the stamps of the Trucial States in earlier Discussion Board posts. Here is a link to one of them:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=7814#51444
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And another link from "the Best of the old Discussion Board" Posts.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=26969#188726
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How many stamps were issued:
From one of my sources; Ras al-Khaima: issued 905 stamps between 1964-1972
But I am sure there are more. As Jasem remarked, one always find more sheets and more perf and imperf stamps not listed in any catalog, for the Trucial states, and even for several of the countries of the area, for stamps issued in the 1965-74 time period.
Many never issued by any postal authority!
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Ralph,
I just reread one of those earlier discussions and stumbled upon one of John Derry's trademark witty replies. A smile came to my face, especially when I realized that the stamps he mentioned ended up in a Winnie-the-Pooh suitcase full of stamps I received from him when we visited him and Fran a few years ago. A large envelope chock full of Yemen, Ras Al Khaima, Ajman, Fujeira etcetera. As I find it difficult to throw things away, regardless of what it is, I held on to them, even tried to sell some over here in the approvals (with mixed success) before finally giving them away last week.
Good riddance (no offence to those who sincerely like those dunes...)
Jan-Simon
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Ras Al Khaima is in Scott Volume 5A.
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Some of the Southern Arabia and Trucial States look a lot more collectible than most of the current "legal" stamps from many countries.
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Although there is a considerable amount of material printed without governmental authority in the late 70's, earlier issues were authorized by a legitimate governmental authority. I don't understand why this earlier material is not just as legitimate as the issues of Vatican City, United Nations, Monaco, San Marino, etc. All of these entities issued stamps primarily for collectors rather than for postal use.
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Harry,
most of the dunes weren't printed by the country itself but by agencies working on their behalf, sorta.
The difference between UN and RAK is that I can easily find covers with UN stamps affixed (often philatelic or from dealers) but legitimate. The same isn't true for RAK.
Southern Arabia always brings a smile; we had a club member who sold much of his local auction winnings at our local club. Some great traditional stuff, and occasionally dreck.
In one pile of dreck, there were about a dozen diff dunes, each in a manila folder, with couple FDCs, some sheets, some singles. I ended up buying most of it, including Southern Arabia, with a pair of registered covers. Paid a quarter, sold one for $125 and the other for about $250. The other 11 lots, i doubt i'll ever get that money back.
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"sold one for $125 and the other for about $250. "
Did you split the profits with the club member that sold the dreck to you?
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i did not; however I did manage to sell a group of about 15 covers for him and gave him 80% of the $200.
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"FUN" with the Dune countries
I looked at my Ras Al Khaima and I guess I did manage to get rid of all of them, so I could not offer any. I do have lots of Ajman, Fujeira etc, should anyone be interested.
I have personally focused my attention lately only on YEMEN.
Not truly a "Dune" country and one with a convoluted history covering not only Yemen (stamps issued as of 1926) but also Southern Yemen, Yemen Arab Republic, Yemen Mutawakelite Kingdom, Yemen PDR, Yemen Republic. One could also technically lump Aden and states and the Federation of southern Arabia in the lot. What a crazy history...and alas, for the people of the region, it has not ended!
My philatelic "insanity" is limited to Yemen from 1926 to 1975. This unfortunately also puts me in the "Wallpaper" period from 1967 to 1972 where dubious (origin contested for many) colorful large pictorials came out in Stamp series, sheets and S/S, and not only Perforated, but Imperforated as well. That is 6 in total.
The Scott Catalog covers this period very poorly. They are the stamps with numbers 239 to 305 consisting for each number of a series of stamps (numbered A to Z), of sheets, and of S/S in perforated and imperforated form, often looking different. The Scott description is really hard to follow to correctly identified some of these.
Until recently I stayed with the perforated ones, but, no doubt, Covid-19 induced madness has challenged me to have some "FUN" with this 67-72 period. Most of the material is available at reasonable prices, although a couple of dealers in Europe have large stock of very expensive and rarer(?) issues, but with patience they will appear on sale at reasonable prices. I just acquired a good lot and am now having to redesign my pages to accommodate them, and the challenge of identification, with just Scott at the rescue. One could really use a pictorial guide for identification as Perf and Imperf S/S are often different and hard to place in context. I own a great pictorial guide book for the stamps of Saudi Arabia Nejd period, and wish there was an equivalent here, although I certainly do not compare both material...Nejd is a jem, while this...???
I will try to have fun with it, and have to modify my personally designed album pages and try to keep a pictorial inventory of what I am missing. I will blame it all on Covid-19!
Apart for Jasem, is there anyone else sharing this (no insult meant) madness? But where else can you waste hours and hours for a handful of dollars, and do it safely indoor without a mask!
rrr...
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Nice post rrr! 
I agree there's a lot of interest to be had in both the stamp and political history of the region.
Over the years I've spent many hours trying to get to grips with the many different stamp issuing entities.
Just imagine, if politics had run even a slightly different course, the issues we could have seen from Lower Yafa (not just Upper Yafa) and some of its other neighbours, if they had also decided not to join the Federation of South Arabia...
I have a very limited collection relating to the region but like most stamps they can provide a great spur to the imagination when I'm in the right mood.
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What volume of the Scotts catalog are these stamps listed?
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I don't know if the policy has changed, but Ras Al Khaima, Ajman and the likes used to be ignored by Scott, and rightfully so, if you'd ask me. (My reference is a 2009 copy)
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re: Ras Al Khaima
There were several fairly detailed discussions on the stamps of the Trucial States in earlier Discussion Board posts. Here is a link to one of them:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=7814#51444
rrr...
And another link from "the Best of the old Discussion Board" Posts.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=26969#188726
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How many stamps were issued:
From one of my sources; Ras al-Khaima: issued 905 stamps between 1964-1972
But I am sure there are more. As Jasem remarked, one always find more sheets and more perf and imperf stamps not listed in any catalog, for the Trucial states, and even for several of the countries of the area, for stamps issued in the 1965-74 time period.
Many never issued by any postal authority!
rrr.....
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Ralph,
I just reread one of those earlier discussions and stumbled upon one of John Derry's trademark witty replies. A smile came to my face, especially when I realized that the stamps he mentioned ended up in a Winnie-the-Pooh suitcase full of stamps I received from him when we visited him and Fran a few years ago. A large envelope chock full of Yemen, Ras Al Khaima, Ajman, Fujeira etcetera. As I find it difficult to throw things away, regardless of what it is, I held on to them, even tried to sell some over here in the approvals (with mixed success) before finally giving them away last week.
Good riddance (no offence to those who sincerely like those dunes...)
Jan-Simon
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Ras Al Khaima is in Scott Volume 5A.
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Some of the Southern Arabia and Trucial States look a lot more collectible than most of the current "legal" stamps from many countries.
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Although there is a considerable amount of material printed without governmental authority in the late 70's, earlier issues were authorized by a legitimate governmental authority. I don't understand why this earlier material is not just as legitimate as the issues of Vatican City, United Nations, Monaco, San Marino, etc. All of these entities issued stamps primarily for collectors rather than for postal use.
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Harry,
most of the dunes weren't printed by the country itself but by agencies working on their behalf, sorta.
The difference between UN and RAK is that I can easily find covers with UN stamps affixed (often philatelic or from dealers) but legitimate. The same isn't true for RAK.
Southern Arabia always brings a smile; we had a club member who sold much of his local auction winnings at our local club. Some great traditional stuff, and occasionally dreck.
In one pile of dreck, there were about a dozen diff dunes, each in a manila folder, with couple FDCs, some sheets, some singles. I ended up buying most of it, including Southern Arabia, with a pair of registered covers. Paid a quarter, sold one for $125 and the other for about $250. The other 11 lots, i doubt i'll ever get that money back.
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"sold one for $125 and the other for about $250. "
Did you split the profits with the club member that sold the dreck to you?
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i did not; however I did manage to sell a group of about 15 covers for him and gave him 80% of the $200.
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"FUN" with the Dune countries
I looked at my Ras Al Khaima and I guess I did manage to get rid of all of them, so I could not offer any. I do have lots of Ajman, Fujeira etc, should anyone be interested.
I have personally focused my attention lately only on YEMEN.
Not truly a "Dune" country and one with a convoluted history covering not only Yemen (stamps issued as of 1926) but also Southern Yemen, Yemen Arab Republic, Yemen Mutawakelite Kingdom, Yemen PDR, Yemen Republic. One could also technically lump Aden and states and the Federation of southern Arabia in the lot. What a crazy history...and alas, for the people of the region, it has not ended!
My philatelic "insanity" is limited to Yemen from 1926 to 1975. This unfortunately also puts me in the "Wallpaper" period from 1967 to 1972 where dubious (origin contested for many) colorful large pictorials came out in Stamp series, sheets and S/S, and not only Perforated, but Imperforated as well. That is 6 in total.
The Scott Catalog covers this period very poorly. They are the stamps with numbers 239 to 305 consisting for each number of a series of stamps (numbered A to Z), of sheets, and of S/S in perforated and imperforated form, often looking different. The Scott description is really hard to follow to correctly identified some of these.
Until recently I stayed with the perforated ones, but, no doubt, Covid-19 induced madness has challenged me to have some "FUN" with this 67-72 period. Most of the material is available at reasonable prices, although a couple of dealers in Europe have large stock of very expensive and rarer(?) issues, but with patience they will appear on sale at reasonable prices. I just acquired a good lot and am now having to redesign my pages to accommodate them, and the challenge of identification, with just Scott at the rescue. One could really use a pictorial guide for identification as Perf and Imperf S/S are often different and hard to place in context. I own a great pictorial guide book for the stamps of Saudi Arabia Nejd period, and wish there was an equivalent here, although I certainly do not compare both material...Nejd is a jem, while this...???
I will try to have fun with it, and have to modify my personally designed album pages and try to keep a pictorial inventory of what I am missing. I will blame it all on Covid-19!
Apart for Jasem, is there anyone else sharing this (no insult meant) madness? But where else can you waste hours and hours for a handful of dollars, and do it safely indoor without a mask!
rrr...
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Nice post rrr!
I agree there's a lot of interest to be had in both the stamp and political history of the region.
Over the years I've spent many hours trying to get to grips with the many different stamp issuing entities.
Just imagine, if politics had run even a slightly different course, the issues we could have seen from Lower Yafa (not just Upper Yafa) and some of its other neighbours, if they had also decided not to join the Federation of South Arabia...
I have a very limited collection relating to the region but like most stamps they can provide a great spur to the imagination when I'm in the right mood.
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