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mbo1142
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

09 Aug 2021
05:12:36pm
Not sure which category to put this in so put in "Other"

Italian stamps over printed in German 1943.

I know the history of Zara area during WW II. My questions:

First, are these stamps found in Scott and if so where?

Second, if not in Scott which if any catalogue covers them and what is the catalogue number?

Third, if in any catalogue, what is the value? The stamps are mint with disturbed gum and one of them is used.


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09 Aug 2021
05:46:56pm

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I think you need the specialized Michel Germany catalogue for this. Zara stamps are really scarce and need to be certified in order to know they are real. As with many of this type of stamps, there are lots of forgeries. Most stamps were issued in very small amounts.

Michel lists 38 stamps and 11 postage dues, with many subtypes and prices are sometimes astronomical. I have seen single stamps being offered for more than 1,000 euros.

I am by no means an expert, but I would not book that cruise yet, if I were you. My guess is that what you have are all forgeries. This assumption is based on that 2 centisimi stamp, which is - as far as I can tell - plain wrong. It does not exist with that overprint and is from the wrong period. In the 1940s no 2 cent. stamps were used anymore, the smallest denomination was 5 c.

Here are a few examples of certified Zara stamps. The first picture shows nrs 1-16, retailing in MNH condition for 4,400 euros.

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Here are 23-28 and 31

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Finally, 11 postage dues

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It's too late now to dig up the Michel specialized now. I could give you a summary of what it says as the above is based on what I could find on German websites.

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09 Aug 2021
06:12:38pm
re: Italian "Zara"

These are listed in SG and in more detail in Michel, as Jansimon has mentioned.

If they were genuine the best stamps in the original post in terms of value would be:

- 35c blue - SG 7 / Mi 7 - £275 (2009 SG Part 3)

- 75c brown (air) - SG 28 / Mi 25 - £275 (2009 SG Part 3)

I don't have any up-to-date prices.


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09 Aug 2021
06:50:52pm
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Crap!!, now I will have to cancel my cruise. Crying

Thanks for all the help, exactly what I was looking for. I figured they were probably forgeries, but you never know. For the moment I will just list them in my inventory as possibly fakes, but will need to be expertized before counting for any value.

The 2 centisimi stamp is a real eye opener. I would never have ever thought of that angle.

Again SOR members come through.

Mel

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10 Aug 2021
05:38:39pm

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Here is an excerpt from Michel, the first series

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nrs 17 to 19 have insane c.v's. which are justified by the very small amount of them having been made.

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gerom

11 Aug 2021
02:43:25am
re: Italian "Zara"

The values in the Michel 2019 catalogue are about 50% higher (not the high values)
There are 4 types of overprint, stamps with III and IV have values increased from 300% to 1000% (of course not fake).

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11 Aug 2021
03:04:33am

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My Michel Deutschland Spezial is a bit older (2011). The 300% for type III and 1000% for type IV was in there as well ( only type IV was considered 4 times the base value instead of 10)

The stamps were (over)printed in sheets of 100. The exact positions and differentiation in price raises between the various stamps is an improvement compared to what is in my catalogue.

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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
09 Aug 2021
05:12:36pm

Not sure which category to put this in so put in "Other"

Italian stamps over printed in German 1943.

I know the history of Zara area during WW II. My questions:

First, are these stamps found in Scott and if so where?

Second, if not in Scott which if any catalogue covers them and what is the catalogue number?

Third, if in any catalogue, what is the value? The stamps are mint with disturbed gum and one of them is used.


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Thanks for any help.

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Jansimon

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09 Aug 2021
05:46:56pm

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re: Italian "Zara"

I think you need the specialized Michel Germany catalogue for this. Zara stamps are really scarce and need to be certified in order to know they are real. As with many of this type of stamps, there are lots of forgeries. Most stamps were issued in very small amounts.

Michel lists 38 stamps and 11 postage dues, with many subtypes and prices are sometimes astronomical. I have seen single stamps being offered for more than 1,000 euros.

I am by no means an expert, but I would not book that cruise yet, if I were you. My guess is that what you have are all forgeries. This assumption is based on that 2 centisimi stamp, which is - as far as I can tell - plain wrong. It does not exist with that overprint and is from the wrong period. In the 1940s no 2 cent. stamps were used anymore, the smallest denomination was 5 c.

Here are a few examples of certified Zara stamps. The first picture shows nrs 1-16, retailing in MNH condition for 4,400 euros.

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Here are 23-28 and 31

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Finally, 11 postage dues

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It's too late now to dig up the Michel specialized now. I could give you a summary of what it says as the above is based on what I could find on German websites.

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09 Aug 2021
06:12:38pm

re: Italian "Zara"

These are listed in SG and in more detail in Michel, as Jansimon has mentioned.

If they were genuine the best stamps in the original post in terms of value would be:

- 35c blue - SG 7 / Mi 7 - £275 (2009 SG Part 3)

- 75c brown (air) - SG 28 / Mi 25 - £275 (2009 SG Part 3)

I don't have any up-to-date prices.


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mbo1142

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
09 Aug 2021
06:50:52pm

re: Italian "Zara"

Crap!!, now I will have to cancel my cruise. Crying

Thanks for all the help, exactly what I was looking for. I figured they were probably forgeries, but you never know. For the moment I will just list them in my inventory as possibly fakes, but will need to be expertized before counting for any value.

The 2 centisimi stamp is a real eye opener. I would never have ever thought of that angle.

Again SOR members come through.

Mel

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Jansimon

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10 Aug 2021
05:38:39pm

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re: Italian "Zara"

Here is an excerpt from Michel, the first series

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nrs 17 to 19 have insane c.v's. which are justified by the very small amount of them having been made.

Image Not Found

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gerom

11 Aug 2021
02:43:25am

re: Italian "Zara"

The values in the Michel 2019 catalogue are about 50% higher (not the high values)
There are 4 types of overprint, stamps with III and IV have values increased from 300% to 1000% (of course not fake).

Image Not Found

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Jansimon

collector, seller, MT member
11 Aug 2021
03:04:33am

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re: Italian "Zara"

My Michel Deutschland Spezial is a bit older (2011). The 300% for type III and 1000% for type IV was in there as well ( only type IV was considered 4 times the base value instead of 10)

The stamps were (over)printed in sheets of 100. The exact positions and differentiation in price raises between the various stamps is an improvement compared to what is in my catalogue.

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