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05 Aug 2021
07:00:03am
Is there anyone here on this forum who can explain me the differences of the indonesian stamps which where printed in :

A) Vienna
B) Philadelphia

as an example of the stamps i mean :

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05 Aug 2021
02:09:40pm

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I did not even know that there were Philadelphia printings. As far as I know these are the Vienna issues. Well, learning all the time!

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05 Aug 2021
05:39:19pm

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David Giles is an avid Indonesia collector..i will tell him about the post.

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05 Aug 2021
06:06:06pm
re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

SG doesn't list these issues but it has a note stating that the high values were recess printed in Philadelphia and have an imprint beginning "E.A.WRIGHT".

I don't have any of these to compare with.

I've also seen online examples of the high values without any imprint.


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05 Aug 2021
06:15:26pm
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Here's an example of a stamp with the Wright imprint:

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05 Aug 2021
11:14:16pm
re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Selamat Malam:

Quoting from my Katalogue Pranko Indonesia 2009...

"Printed by order of the PTT (now PT Pos Indonesia), the revolutionary stamps of Vienna prints and a part of w(h)ich printed in Philadelphia, have completed some periods of important and principal changes in Indonesia."

Nigel is correct that the way to identify them is by the Wright imprint at the bottom of the stamp. All of the low-value lithographed stamps that I have seen are Vienna printings. I have not seen any evidence of being printed in Philadelphia. The high-values Rp. 5, Rp. 10, and Rp. 25 "Repoeblik" issues do not have the Wright imprint, but the "Republik" high-values (including the one with air mail overprints) do.

The Vienna stamps were used (by evidence of postally used covers) from 1949-1953.

Hope this helps.

David Giles
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06 Aug 2021
09:21:30pm

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I have a very nice Collection of these stamps ! just need about 14 stamps to complete it plus the imperf Blockade sheets,you don't see many of them up for sale though.I have the Dai Nippon catalogue for the Vienna & Philadelphia Printings
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07 Aug 2021
10:18:32am

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I "borrowed" these out of my 1949 Scott Modern album...outfits like the Zenith Stamp Co. were just about giving them away as a bonus if you purchased a few approvals.Image Not Found

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07 Aug 2021
10:46:55am

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Nothing rare here...i have no Phillys...just memories !Image Not Found

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07 Aug 2021
12:27:33pm
re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

"Hope this helps.

David Giles
Ottawa, Canada"



Thanks David,

That was quite simple Blushing
(If you know what and where to look for.....)

Can anyone tell me the time periods of the "REPOEBLIK" and the "REPUBLIK" issues?
Are all the stamps issued in both?

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07 Aug 2021
07:24:07pm
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Brian:

Which revolutionary issues were printed in Philadelphia? Only the high values?

Hockey Nut:

The first stamps with Republik Indonesia were issued 17 August, 1949. The 4th anniversary of the Proklamasi, the proclamation of the Indonesian Republic. All the previous issues read Repoeblik Indonesia.

The Indonesians changed the vowel spellings in their language to be less Dutch and more American.

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09 Aug 2021
04:09:22am
re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Thanks again David.

Still interesting....

At this moment i am still reading about this piece of history.

The dutch word for Republic is REPUBLIEK.
I think REPOEBLIK is a transformation of the Dutch language.

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09 Aug 2021
04:56:18pm
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HockeyNut:

The Indonesian Language uses the Roman alphabet like the English Language. It is written as it sounds. The exception, compared to English is the letter C. The letter C is pronounced like "ch" in English. The letter K is pronounced as a hard C is pronounced in English. Thus, a cat in Indonesian is "kucing". It is pronounced koo-ching.

Repoeblik is the "old spelling" as they say in Indonesia. The Indonesians simplified the spelling of their language. OE became U. Thus, Repoeblik became Republik. Sambal Oelek became Sambal Ulek. There are a few other vowels that changed as well.

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09 Aug 2021
06:35:01pm

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The change in language also changed Soekarno's name as the OE was dropped and his name became Sukarno.Another piece of trivia!

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10 Aug 2021
03:13:40am
re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Thanks for the explanation David and Brian.

I did not know that of Soekarno, eh Sukarno.
We have learned the old spelling at school in that time.
And that is still in my brain........

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10 Aug 2021
05:48:16pm
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HockeyNut:

Don't feel badly. When I was in Surabaya, I was sending postcards home to Canada and writing the city name as Soerabaja. I was so used to seeing the old spelling in philatelic notes, books, etc.

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Whil on holiday in Bali we visited the Freedom Monument.
Bajra Sandhi Monument is a monument to the struggles of the Balinese people throughout history. The monument is located in front of the Bali Governor's Office in Denpasar, Indonesia, on the island of Bali. The monument was built in 1987, inaugurated by president Megawati Sukarnoputri on June 14, 2003.
In side on one of the levels they have Dioramas of the lives of the Indonesian People through the years I took quite a few photos to go with my display.Her are some of them .
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05 Aug 2021
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Is there anyone here on this forum who can explain me the differences of the indonesian stamps which where printed in :

A) Vienna
B) Philadelphia

as an example of the stamps i mean :

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05 Aug 2021
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re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

I did not even know that there were Philadelphia printings. As far as I know these are the Vienna issues. Well, learning all the time!

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05 Aug 2021
05:39:19pm

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David Giles is an avid Indonesia collector..i will tell him about the post.

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nigelc

05 Aug 2021
06:06:06pm

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

SG doesn't list these issues but it has a note stating that the high values were recess printed in Philadelphia and have an imprint beginning "E.A.WRIGHT".

I don't have any of these to compare with.

I've also seen online examples of the high values without any imprint.


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05 Aug 2021
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re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Here's an example of a stamp with the Wright imprint:

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DavidG

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05 Aug 2021
11:14:16pm

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Selamat Malam:

Quoting from my Katalogue Pranko Indonesia 2009...

"Printed by order of the PTT (now PT Pos Indonesia), the revolutionary stamps of Vienna prints and a part of w(h)ich printed in Philadelphia, have completed some periods of important and principal changes in Indonesia."

Nigel is correct that the way to identify them is by the Wright imprint at the bottom of the stamp. All of the low-value lithographed stamps that I have seen are Vienna printings. I have not seen any evidence of being printed in Philadelphia. The high-values Rp. 5, Rp. 10, and Rp. 25 "Repoeblik" issues do not have the Wright imprint, but the "Republik" high-values (including the one with air mail overprints) do.

The Vienna stamps were used (by evidence of postally used covers) from 1949-1953.

Hope this helps.

David Giles
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06 Aug 2021
09:21:30pm

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re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

I have a very nice Collection of these stamps ! just need about 14 stamps to complete it plus the imperf Blockade sheets,you don't see many of them up for sale though.I have the Dai Nippon catalogue for the Vienna & Philadelphia Printings
Brian
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07 Aug 2021
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I "borrowed" these out of my 1949 Scott Modern album...outfits like the Zenith Stamp Co. were just about giving them away as a bonus if you purchased a few approvals.Image Not Found

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07 Aug 2021
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Nothing rare here...i have no Phillys...just memories !Image Not Found

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HockeyNut

07 Aug 2021
12:27:33pm

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

"Hope this helps.

David Giles
Ottawa, Canada"



Thanks David,

That was quite simple Blushing
(If you know what and where to look for.....)

Can anyone tell me the time periods of the "REPOEBLIK" and the "REPUBLIK" issues?
Are all the stamps issued in both?

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DavidG

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07 Aug 2021
07:24:07pm

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Brian:

Which revolutionary issues were printed in Philadelphia? Only the high values?

Hockey Nut:

The first stamps with Republik Indonesia were issued 17 August, 1949. The 4th anniversary of the Proklamasi, the proclamation of the Indonesian Republic. All the previous issues read Repoeblik Indonesia.

The Indonesians changed the vowel spellings in their language to be less Dutch and more American.

David



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09 Aug 2021
04:09:22am

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Thanks again David.

Still interesting....

At this moment i am still reading about this piece of history.

The dutch word for Republic is REPUBLIEK.
I think REPOEBLIK is a transformation of the Dutch language.

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DavidG

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09 Aug 2021
04:56:18pm

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

HockeyNut:

The Indonesian Language uses the Roman alphabet like the English Language. It is written as it sounds. The exception, compared to English is the letter C. The letter C is pronounced like "ch" in English. The letter K is pronounced as a hard C is pronounced in English. Thus, a cat in Indonesian is "kucing". It is pronounced koo-ching.

Repoeblik is the "old spelling" as they say in Indonesia. The Indonesians simplified the spelling of their language. OE became U. Thus, Repoeblik became Republik. Sambal Oelek became Sambal Ulek. There are a few other vowels that changed as well.

David


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09 Aug 2021
06:35:01pm

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re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

The change in language also changed Soekarno's name as the OE was dropped and his name became Sukarno.Another piece of trivia!

Brian

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HockeyNut

10 Aug 2021
03:13:40am

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Thanks for the explanation David and Brian.

I did not know that of Soekarno, eh Sukarno.
We have learned the old spelling at school in that time.
And that is still in my brain........

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DavidG

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10 Aug 2021
05:48:16pm

re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

HockeyNut:

Don't feel badly. When I was in Surabaya, I was sending postcards home to Canada and writing the city name as Soerabaja. I was so used to seeing the old spelling in philatelic notes, books, etc.

David

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11 Aug 2021
12:50:55am

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re: Differences Vienna / Philadelphia prints of indonesia

Whil on holiday in Bali we visited the Freedom Monument.
Bajra Sandhi Monument is a monument to the struggles of the Balinese people throughout history. The monument is located in front of the Bali Governor's Office in Denpasar, Indonesia, on the island of Bali. The monument was built in 1987, inaugurated by president Megawati Sukarnoputri on June 14, 2003.
In side on one of the levels they have Dioramas of the lives of the Indonesian People through the years I took quite a few photos to go with my display.Her are some of them .
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