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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

 

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02 Jan 2021
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I am unable to interpret the O.P. on this Russian stamp. I believe it is a postage due stamp.Image Not Found Need interpretation of the O.P., classification #, and valuation. Note: I have not seen an O.P. on any of these stamps until I found this one in a box lot.

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02 Jan 2021
02:47:34pm

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It says "unity and liberty". The original stamp is a rather dubious civil war issue of which there are numerous fakes and forgeries. I have not seen this type of overprint before, nor have I seen a mention of it in any catalogue. Perhaps I have not looked well enough, but my opinion for now would be that this is a fantasy issue. The kind one sees more and more these days, especially for Russian and German stamps that were issued in unstable periods in the history of these countries.

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02 Jan 2021
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re: Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

Thanks for your opinion Jan-Simon. I agree!
Gil

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02 Jan 2021
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Hi Gil,

This is one of a number of bogus overprints and surcharges on these stamps.

I believe the following exist, printed back in the 1920s on some of the early reprints:

- "Edinstvo i / Svoboda / 50" on 15k imperf (as here)

- The same surcharge on 15k perf

- "Edinstvo i / Svoboda" on 15k imperf

- The same overprint on 15k perf

- "Edinstvo i / Svoboda" on 20k imperf

- The same overprint on 20k perf

This information is from Ceresa's handbook from 1990.

There are also some other, more outlandish, overprints.

The original stamps were never issued but were popular with collectors and were reprinted over and over again until the plates were worn out.

Subsequently, a number of different forgeries were created to sell to collectors.

The original "eagle" stamps were created for a nominally Russian anti-bolshevik army in the Baltic, the West Russian Volunteer Army, often simply called the "Western Army" in stamp catalogues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Russian_Volunteer_Army

This was essentially a German-backed army created to maintain German influence in the Baltic region after the Treaty of Versailles.

It claimed allegiance to Admiral Kolchak's White government in Siberia but it never got round to fighting the Red Army and instead caused a lot of trouble in the newly-independent Baltic States. It was eventually defeated and withdraw into Germany.

Scott mentions the eagle stamps under "Russian Occupation of Latvia" but to me that description is misleading.

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02 Jan 2021
06:35:02pm

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"Scott mentions the eagle stamps under "Russian Occupation of Latvia" but to me that description is misleading.
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I agree, that makes no sense at all.

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03 Jan 2021
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re: Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

Thank you both for the continued dialogue. Russia (all periods), and the former Soviet Republics, are my primary collecting areas. The more history pertaining to stamps issued therein that I receive is priceless. Gil

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I am unable to interpret the O.P. on this Russian stamp. I believe it is a postage due stamp.Image Not Found Need interpretation of the O.P., classification #, and valuation. Note: I have not seen an O.P. on any of these stamps until I found this one in a box lot.

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re: Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

It says "unity and liberty". The original stamp is a rather dubious civil war issue of which there are numerous fakes and forgeries. I have not seen this type of overprint before, nor have I seen a mention of it in any catalogue. Perhaps I have not looked well enough, but my opinion for now would be that this is a fantasy issue. The kind one sees more and more these days, especially for Russian and German stamps that were issued in unstable periods in the history of these countries.

Jan-Simon

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re: Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

Thanks for your opinion Jan-Simon. I agree!
Gil

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02 Jan 2021
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re: Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

Hi Gil,

This is one of a number of bogus overprints and surcharges on these stamps.

I believe the following exist, printed back in the 1920s on some of the early reprints:

- "Edinstvo i / Svoboda / 50" on 15k imperf (as here)

- The same surcharge on 15k perf

- "Edinstvo i / Svoboda" on 15k imperf

- The same overprint on 15k perf

- "Edinstvo i / Svoboda" on 20k imperf

- The same overprint on 20k perf

This information is from Ceresa's handbook from 1990.

There are also some other, more outlandish, overprints.

The original stamps were never issued but were popular with collectors and were reprinted over and over again until the plates were worn out.

Subsequently, a number of different forgeries were created to sell to collectors.

The original "eagle" stamps were created for a nominally Russian anti-bolshevik army in the Baltic, the West Russian Volunteer Army, often simply called the "Western Army" in stamp catalogues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Russian_Volunteer_Army

This was essentially a German-backed army created to maintain German influence in the Baltic region after the Treaty of Versailles.

It claimed allegiance to Admiral Kolchak's White government in Siberia but it never got round to fighting the Red Army and instead caused a lot of trouble in the newly-independent Baltic States. It was eventually defeated and withdraw into Germany.

Scott mentions the eagle stamps under "Russian Occupation of Latvia" but to me that description is misleading.

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re: Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

"Scott mentions the eagle stamps under "Russian Occupation of Latvia" but to me that description is misleading.
"


I agree, that makes no sense at all.

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03 Jan 2021
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re: Russian Postage Due with Over-print Stamp needs interpretation .

Thank you both for the continued dialogue. Russia (all periods), and the former Soviet Republics, are my primary collecting areas. The more history pertaining to stamps issued therein that I receive is priceless. Gil

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