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Ships using an identifies such as MS, or MV (Motor Ship, Motor Vessel) are propelled by an infernal combustion engine, usually diesel, although gasoline or for the daring liquified natural gas.
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Very nice find Phil. 
Postmarks often make an item special, especially if you have a personal connection.
M.S. = Motorschip (in Dutch) = Motor Ship.
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Why didn't my wife tell me that.. i thought it was H.M.S whatever !
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HMS is for British Navy ships.
Dutch Navy Ships use HNLMS - Her/His NetherLands Majesty's Ship
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Thank You !
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"Dutch Navy Ships use HNLMS - Her/His NetherLands Majesty's Ship"
No, they don't. The official designation is Hr.Ms. "name" or Zr.Ms. "name", which stands for harer majesteits or zijner majesteits (her / his majesty's). Nothing more, nothing less.
So it is Zr.Ms. De Ruyter and everyone should figure out for themselves that it is a ship, a frigate to be precise. Sailing or motorized does not matter, the Dutch navy also has the Zr.Ms. Urania, a two masted sailing ship used for training cadets.
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Nice find, Phil.
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02:57:22am
There is a difference between naval vessels and commercial cargo or passenger vessels. The identifier concerning method of propulsion refers to commercial vessels. It was once important when there were many sailing vessels since maneuverability in crossing/ overtaking situations was important.
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I should have gone into more detail:
Royal Netherlands Navy ship prefix
In Dutch, ships are given the prefix "Zijner Majesteits" ("his majesty's", abbreviated "Zr.Ms.") or "Hare Majesteits" ("her majesty's", abbreviated as "Hr.Ms."). In English, the Dutch prefix is translated as "HNLMS" for "His/Her Netherland Majesty's Ship". Some authors translate Hr./Zr.Ms. as "HNMS" but that abbreviation is ambiguous: the "N" might stand for "Netherlands" or "Norway". The most common way to avoid this ambiguity is to use "HNLMS" and "HNoMS" respectively.
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We were sorting through a large envelope of worldwide stamps last night and my wife saw a Netherlands Indies stamp and passed it over to me...the cancel looked a bit different so i asked my wife..M.S. isn't that a designation for Netherlands ships ? The postmark is from the M.S. Mapia which had a fairly long history in the Singapore/Indonesia area. It belonged to a company called K.P.M which one of my wifes brothers worked for as an engineering officer. i will be happy to notate it in my Netherlands Indies collection.
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12 Aug 2020
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Ships using an identifies such as MS, or MV (Motor Ship, Motor Vessel) are propelled by an infernal combustion engine, usually diesel, although gasoline or for the daring liquified natural gas.
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Very nice find Phil.
Postmarks often make an item special, especially if you have a personal connection.
M.S. = Motorschip (in Dutch) = Motor Ship.
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Why didn't my wife tell me that.. i thought it was H.M.S whatever !
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HMS is for British Navy ships.
Dutch Navy Ships use HNLMS - Her/His NetherLands Majesty's Ship
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Thank You !
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"Dutch Navy Ships use HNLMS - Her/His NetherLands Majesty's Ship"
No, they don't. The official designation is Hr.Ms. "name" or Zr.Ms. "name", which stands for harer majesteits or zijner majesteits (her / his majesty's). Nothing more, nothing less.
So it is Zr.Ms. De Ruyter and everyone should figure out for themselves that it is a ship, a frigate to be precise. Sailing or motorized does not matter, the Dutch navy also has the Zr.Ms. Urania, a two masted sailing ship used for training cadets.
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Nice find, Phil.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
14 Aug 2020
02:57:22am
re: Lucky find in a worldwide mixture
There is a difference between naval vessels and commercial cargo or passenger vessels. The identifier concerning method of propulsion refers to commercial vessels. It was once important when there were many sailing vessels since maneuverability in crossing/ overtaking situations was important.
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I should have gone into more detail:
Royal Netherlands Navy ship prefix
In Dutch, ships are given the prefix "Zijner Majesteits" ("his majesty's", abbreviated "Zr.Ms.") or "Hare Majesteits" ("her majesty's", abbreviated as "Hr.Ms."). In English, the Dutch prefix is translated as "HNLMS" for "His/Her Netherland Majesty's Ship". Some authors translate Hr./Zr.Ms. as "HNMS" but that abbreviation is ambiguous: the "N" might stand for "Netherlands" or "Norway". The most common way to avoid this ambiguity is to use "HNLMS" and "HNoMS" respectively.
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