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BWSchulz

06 Aug 2020
02:13:37am
This is World War One correspondence between the naval command at Wilhelmshaven and the commander of the Santa Cruz docked at Emden. I understand some of the cover but not all of it. I'd appreciate help interpreting and characterizing this. I can't read all of the script (handwriting). Thankfully this style of writing has fallen out of use.

Its a turned cover. I do not understand the boxed rubber stamp on the return side of the cover. I can't identify shiftpost no. 170. I suspect it's connected to the Santa Cruz. I cannot find a reference to the SMH Santa Cruz, though I turn up a similarly named ship built later and used in World War Two. Any observation will help.

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06 Aug 2020
03:00:41am

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Looks like internal business correspondence. The handwriting is pretty clear, no Sütterlin as could be expected. The rectangular stamp probably is a mark to register incoming mail, as is still customary in businesses.

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06 Aug 2020
05:40:06am
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Just like JanSimon says the reckangle stamp is to see when the letter came in.

Can not find The ship number 170 quickly.

This ones I know :
No 4 = Cruiser IRENE
No 37 = SMS Wittelsback
No 41 = SMS Hamburg
No 112 = SMS Vineta
No 169 = SMS Venetia

There exists catalogs to determine the Ship number but I do not possess them

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06 Aug 2020
05:55:23am
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Maybe this internet link well help you :

https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/Kaiserliche-Marine/

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06 Aug 2020
06:04:47am

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S.M S. Stands for Seine Majestät Schiff (his majesty's ship/vessel). It was manually changed to S.M.H. which means Seine Majestät Hilfsschiff. So the Santa Cruz was an auxilliary ship. So far no information has come up when this is entered in Google.

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07 Aug 2020
02:43:00pm
re: Can you explain this cover

Found this on a german site :

Im Gegensatz zu den sogenannten Express- oder Postdampfern der Cap-Klasse wurden die nach 1900 gelieferten Frachtschiffe für die Hauptlinie als Santa-Klasse bezeichnet, da bei 15 der 16 bis 1914 gelieferten Schiffen der Namen mit Santa begann. Aber wie bei den Cap-Dampfern gab es auch bei den Santa-Dampfern verschiedene Gruppen. Die Schiffe die nur Fracht oder auch Zwischendeckspassagiere befördern konnten, wurde in fünf Gruppen von zwei bis fünf Schiffen geliefert.

So there were in total 16 ships whos name began with "SANTA"

Now I found 3 of them so far :

SANTA ELENA (1907)
SANTA MARIA (1907)
SANTA CRUZ



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07 Aug 2020
02:56:44pm
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Found this in the German archive

Under the command of securing the North Sea by the Imperial Navy the following units and ships had been assigned:

1. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
18. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
SMH Gifhorn;
Chef der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
I. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
II. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
I. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
II. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
SMH Gertrud;
SMHkr Franken;
SMH Glatz;
SMH Lothar;
SMH Rio Negro;
SMH Rio Pardo;
SMHkr Santa Cruz; ------------------------
SMH Schwaben;
SMH Solingen (Sperrbrecher 3);
SMSp Steigerwald (Sperrbrecher 7);
Hilfskreuzer Therapia;
1. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
2. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
1. Geleit-Halbflottille;
2. Geleit-Halbflottille;
3. Geleit-Halbflottille;
5. Geleit-Halbflottille;
6. Geleit-Halbflottille;
7. Geleit-Halbflottille;
8. Geleit-Halbflottille;
9. Geleit-Halbflottille;
10. Geleit-Halbflottille;
Fliegerkommandeur bei den Hochseestreitkräften;
Seeflugstation Borkum;
Seeflugstation Norderney;
Seeflugstation Helgoland;
Seeflugstation List auf Sylt;
Seeflugstation Santa Elena; ----------------
SMH Santa Elena
;
SMS Stuttgart;
Seeflugstation Answald;
SMH Answald

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BWSchulz

07 Aug 2020
05:45:57pm
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excellent find. thanks

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BWSchulz

06 Aug 2020
02:13:37am

This is World War One correspondence between the naval command at Wilhelmshaven and the commander of the Santa Cruz docked at Emden. I understand some of the cover but not all of it. I'd appreciate help interpreting and characterizing this. I can't read all of the script (handwriting). Thankfully this style of writing has fallen out of use.

Its a turned cover. I do not understand the boxed rubber stamp on the return side of the cover. I can't identify shiftpost no. 170. I suspect it's connected to the Santa Cruz. I cannot find a reference to the SMH Santa Cruz, though I turn up a similarly named ship built later and used in World War Two. Any observation will help.

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06 Aug 2020
03:00:41am

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re: Can you explain this cover

Looks like internal business correspondence. The handwriting is pretty clear, no Sütterlin as could be expected. The rectangular stamp probably is a mark to register incoming mail, as is still customary in businesses.

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HockeyNut

06 Aug 2020
05:40:06am

re: Can you explain this cover

Just like JanSimon says the reckangle stamp is to see when the letter came in.

Can not find The ship number 170 quickly.

This ones I know :
No 4 = Cruiser IRENE
No 37 = SMS Wittelsback
No 41 = SMS Hamburg
No 112 = SMS Vineta
No 169 = SMS Venetia

There exists catalogs to determine the Ship number but I do not possess them

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HockeyNut

06 Aug 2020
05:55:23am

re: Can you explain this cover

Maybe this internet link well help you :

https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/Kaiserliche-Marine/

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Jansimon

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06 Aug 2020
06:04:47am

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re: Can you explain this cover

S.M S. Stands for Seine Majestät Schiff (his majesty's ship/vessel). It was manually changed to S.M.H. which means Seine Majestät Hilfsschiff. So the Santa Cruz was an auxilliary ship. So far no information has come up when this is entered in Google.

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HockeyNut

07 Aug 2020
02:43:00pm

re: Can you explain this cover

Found this on a german site :

Im Gegensatz zu den sogenannten Express- oder Postdampfern der Cap-Klasse wurden die nach 1900 gelieferten Frachtschiffe für die Hauptlinie als Santa-Klasse bezeichnet, da bei 15 der 16 bis 1914 gelieferten Schiffen der Namen mit Santa begann. Aber wie bei den Cap-Dampfern gab es auch bei den Santa-Dampfern verschiedene Gruppen. Die Schiffe die nur Fracht oder auch Zwischendeckspassagiere befördern konnten, wurde in fünf Gruppen von zwei bis fünf Schiffen geliefert.

So there were in total 16 ships whos name began with "SANTA"

Now I found 3 of them so far :

SANTA ELENA (1907)
SANTA MARIA (1907)
SANTA CRUZ



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HockeyNut

07 Aug 2020
02:56:44pm

re: Can you explain this cover

Found this in the German archive

Under the command of securing the North Sea by the Imperial Navy the following units and ships had been assigned:

1. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
18. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
SMH Gifhorn;
Chef der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
I. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
II. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
I. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
II. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
SMH Gertrud;
SMHkr Franken;
SMH Glatz;
SMH Lothar;
SMH Rio Negro;
SMH Rio Pardo;
SMHkr Santa Cruz; ------------------------
SMH Schwaben;
SMH Solingen (Sperrbrecher 3);
SMSp Steigerwald (Sperrbrecher 7);
Hilfskreuzer Therapia;
1. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
2. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
1. Geleit-Halbflottille;
2. Geleit-Halbflottille;
3. Geleit-Halbflottille;
5. Geleit-Halbflottille;
6. Geleit-Halbflottille;
7. Geleit-Halbflottille;
8. Geleit-Halbflottille;
9. Geleit-Halbflottille;
10. Geleit-Halbflottille;
Fliegerkommandeur bei den Hochseestreitkräften;
Seeflugstation Borkum;
Seeflugstation Norderney;
Seeflugstation Helgoland;
Seeflugstation List auf Sylt;
Seeflugstation Santa Elena; ----------------
SMH Santa Elena
;
SMS Stuttgart;
Seeflugstation Answald;
SMH Answald

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BWSchulz

07 Aug 2020
05:45:57pm

re: Can you explain this cover

excellent find. thanks

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