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Its a turned cover. I do not understand the boxed rubber stamp on the return side of the cover. I can't identify shiftpost no. 170. I suspect it's connected to the Santa Cruz. I cannot find a reference to the SMH Santa Cruz, though I turn up a similarly named ship built later and used in World War Two. Any observation will help.
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Looks like internal business correspondence. The handwriting is pretty clear, no Sütterlin as could be expected. The rectangular stamp probably is a mark to register incoming mail, as is still customary in businesses.
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Just like JanSimon says the reckangle stamp is to see when the letter came in.
Can not find The ship number 170 quickly.
This ones I know :
No 4 = Cruiser IRENE
No 37 = SMS Wittelsback
No 41 = SMS Hamburg
No 112 = SMS Vineta
No 169 = SMS Venetia
There exists catalogs to determine the Ship number but I do not possess them
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Maybe this internet link well help you :
https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/Kaiserliche-Marine/
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S.M S. Stands for Seine Majestät Schiff (his majesty's ship/vessel). It was manually changed to S.M.H. which means Seine Majestät Hilfsschiff. So the Santa Cruz was an auxilliary ship. So far no information has come up when this is entered in Google.
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Found this on a german site :
Im Gegensatz zu den sogenannten Express- oder Postdampfern der Cap-Klasse wurden die nach 1900 gelieferten Frachtschiffe für die Hauptlinie als Santa-Klasse bezeichnet, da bei 15 der 16 bis 1914 gelieferten Schiffen der Namen mit Santa begann. Aber wie bei den Cap-Dampfern gab es auch bei den Santa-Dampfern verschiedene Gruppen. Die Schiffe die nur Fracht oder auch Zwischendeckspassagiere befördern konnten, wurde in fünf Gruppen von zwei bis fünf Schiffen geliefert.
So there were in total 16 ships whos name began with "SANTA"
Now I found 3 of them so far :
SANTA ELENA (1907)
SANTA MARIA (1907)
SANTA CRUZ
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Found this in the German archive
Under the command of securing the North Sea by the Imperial Navy the following units and ships had been assigned:
1. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
18. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
SMH Gifhorn;
Chef der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
I. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
II. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
I. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
II. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
SMH Gertrud;
SMHkr Franken;
SMH Glatz;
SMH Lothar;
SMH Rio Negro;
SMH Rio Pardo;
SMHkr Santa Cruz; ------------------------
SMH Schwaben;
SMH Solingen (Sperrbrecher 3);
SMSp Steigerwald (Sperrbrecher 7);
Hilfskreuzer Therapia;
1. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
2. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
1. Geleit-Halbflottille;
2. Geleit-Halbflottille;
3. Geleit-Halbflottille;
5. Geleit-Halbflottille;
6. Geleit-Halbflottille;
7. Geleit-Halbflottille;
8. Geleit-Halbflottille;
9. Geleit-Halbflottille;
10. Geleit-Halbflottille;
Fliegerkommandeur bei den Hochseestreitkräften;
Seeflugstation Borkum;
Seeflugstation Norderney;
Seeflugstation Helgoland;
Seeflugstation List auf Sylt;
Seeflugstation Santa Elena; ----------------
SMH Santa Elena;
SMS Stuttgart;
Seeflugstation Answald;
SMH Answald
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excellent find. thanks
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02:13:37am
This is World War One correspondence between the naval command at Wilhelmshaven and the commander of the Santa Cruz docked at Emden. I understand some of the cover but not all of it. I'd appreciate help interpreting and characterizing this. I can't read all of the script (handwriting). Thankfully this style of writing has fallen out of use.
Its a turned cover. I do not understand the boxed rubber stamp on the return side of the cover. I can't identify shiftpost no. 170. I suspect it's connected to the Santa Cruz. I cannot find a reference to the SMH Santa Cruz, though I turn up a similarly named ship built later and used in World War Two. Any observation will help.
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Looks like internal business correspondence. The handwriting is pretty clear, no Sütterlin as could be expected. The rectangular stamp probably is a mark to register incoming mail, as is still customary in businesses.
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re: Can you explain this cover
Just like JanSimon says the reckangle stamp is to see when the letter came in.
Can not find The ship number 170 quickly.
This ones I know :
No 4 = Cruiser IRENE
No 37 = SMS Wittelsback
No 41 = SMS Hamburg
No 112 = SMS Vineta
No 169 = SMS Venetia
There exists catalogs to determine the Ship number but I do not possess them
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re: Can you explain this cover
Maybe this internet link well help you :
https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/Kaiserliche-Marine/
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S.M S. Stands for Seine Majestät Schiff (his majesty's ship/vessel). It was manually changed to S.M.H. which means Seine Majestät Hilfsschiff. So the Santa Cruz was an auxilliary ship. So far no information has come up when this is entered in Google.
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re: Can you explain this cover
Found this on a german site :
Im Gegensatz zu den sogenannten Express- oder Postdampfern der Cap-Klasse wurden die nach 1900 gelieferten Frachtschiffe für die Hauptlinie als Santa-Klasse bezeichnet, da bei 15 der 16 bis 1914 gelieferten Schiffen der Namen mit Santa begann. Aber wie bei den Cap-Dampfern gab es auch bei den Santa-Dampfern verschiedene Gruppen. Die Schiffe die nur Fracht oder auch Zwischendeckspassagiere befördern konnten, wurde in fünf Gruppen von zwei bis fünf Schiffen geliefert.
So there were in total 16 ships whos name began with "SANTA"
Now I found 3 of them so far :
SANTA ELENA (1907)
SANTA MARIA (1907)
SANTA CRUZ
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re: Can you explain this cover
Found this in the German archive
Under the command of securing the North Sea by the Imperial Navy the following units and ships had been assigned:
1. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
18. Torpedoboots-Halbflottille;
SMH Gifhorn;
Chef der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
I. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
II. Nordseevorposten-Halbflottille;
I. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
II. Sondergruppe der Nordseevorposten-Flottille;
SMH Gertrud;
SMHkr Franken;
SMH Glatz;
SMH Lothar;
SMH Rio Negro;
SMH Rio Pardo;
SMHkr Santa Cruz; ------------------------
SMH Schwaben;
SMH Solingen (Sperrbrecher 3);
SMSp Steigerwald (Sperrbrecher 7);
Hilfskreuzer Therapia;
1. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
2. Vorposten-Halbflottille der Ems;
1. Geleit-Halbflottille;
2. Geleit-Halbflottille;
3. Geleit-Halbflottille;
5. Geleit-Halbflottille;
6. Geleit-Halbflottille;
7. Geleit-Halbflottille;
8. Geleit-Halbflottille;
9. Geleit-Halbflottille;
10. Geleit-Halbflottille;
Fliegerkommandeur bei den Hochseestreitkräften;
Seeflugstation Borkum;
Seeflugstation Norderney;
Seeflugstation Helgoland;
Seeflugstation List auf Sylt;
Seeflugstation Santa Elena; ----------------
SMH Santa Elena;
SMS Stuttgart;
Seeflugstation Answald;
SMH Answald
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05:45:57pm
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excellent find. thanks
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