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11:56:46am
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Are you talking about the Revenues and Cinderellas Category?
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01:11:33pm
I believe all revenues would be in the BoB category, but since Cinderellas aren't usually in a "book" anyway I would hesitate to put them in the BOB category. Maybe some would, and that's fine. I would say, loosely, that BOB is anything not regular postage. How about anything that, in the Scott's numbering system, doesn't have a letter in front of the stamp number? This is not a problem unless someone is searching your auction posts using "BOB" and since I don't search I'm not even sure if that is possible. I just look at new postings a couple times a day.
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" How about anything that, in the Scott's numbering system,"
Unfortunately that is a non starter as not every member has access to a Scott's catalogue.
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Harvey,
this is far more complicated than it would seem at first. Revenues, outside of US revenues, are generally NOT part of Scott (some postal tax stamps are included, but they're part of the exception to the exception to.....). Cinderellas are not included in Scott anywhere, except for Christmas seals, which were recently expanded and given a breath of new life, and only in the US (Danish seals, which predate US seals, are, for instance, not included).
Christmas seals and revenues both have prefix letters.
And yes, many album makers and some catalogues intermingle various types of stamps, prefering chronological purity over type.
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" prefering chronological purity over type."
That's how Stanley Gibbons list in their catalogue.
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"That's how Stanley Gibbons list in their catalogue."
Not completely, sir. Gibbons does have back-of-book (BOB). It includes postage dues, express letter stamps, parcel post, railway parcel stamps, officials, etc.
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Harvey, our category is "Revenues, Cinderellas and Seals."
I looked over the current listings there, and all fit into that category.
The stamp from Angola is listed as a revenue, which is technically correct, but it is a postal tax stamp and is listed in Scott, but is bob nonetheless.
The three Kennedy sets are not listed in Scott, but are in Michel. They are postage stamps, but most consider them to be Cinderellas. The Bavarian stamps are railway parcel post stamps.
There just isn't enough material being offered to justify getting our Web Wizard out to create more categories for these stamps.
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04:59:26pm
I'm not getting into naming sellers, but I check out new listings a few times a day and there were a few stamp lots this morning that were called BOB, but were not. I really don't care and I'm not making a big deal out of it. I just thought the person listing the lots might see this post and learn something. Honestly, I don't care, I'm just doing this for educational purposes. I can't even remember the country!
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"Not completely, sir. Gibbons does have back-of-book (BOB). It includes postage dues, express letter stamps, parcel post, railway parcel stamps, officials, etc."
I stand corrected!
The brain obviously went "Bang".
However in my brains defense I must point out that their Sectional Catalogues like France does have the Airmails, Postage Dues etc in chronological order.
I shall try to avoid giving incorrect information in the future,
Humbly yours,
Ian.
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The michel catalogue has airmails, semipostals and express/special delivery stamps all in the main listing. The underlying logic is (as far as I know) that these are all stamps that can/could be used by the common consumer to mail a letter, whereas officials, postage dues were not. These are therefore listed separately after the main section. An additional advantage of trying to put as much as possible in the main listing is that sometimes there are sets that consist of "normal" stamps, semipostals and airmails. Scott then puts these stamps in three different categories but still adds the values together for the set. Very confusing...
In the end it is all arbitrary and all catalogues will have their own underlying decisions.
It is the same with the tendency to group long sets together vs. chronological listings. Scott does the first (although not completely consistent, as is usual with Scott) where Michel stopped doing this a long time ago and tries to be as chronological as possible. The advantage of this is that the numbering in a Michel catalogue from 20 years ago is the same as it is in the latest edition, which is something that cannot be said for Scott.
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Like most things in the philatelic world, it all depends on where you live, what catalogue is used, the individuals interpretation/perception of the words and meanings that are used within their philatelic circle.
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"there were a few stamp lots this morning that were called BOB, but were not."
Auctions or approvals ??? Just one example would let us try to figure out if it;s a function of search or just a listing error (happens all the time)
For example - I did a search for "BOB" in approvals and you end up with Bobcat, Bobby Orr, Bob sled, and probably a lot more. Until we know where the problem is and how you got there it would be difficult to figure it out.
I need another cup of coffee - hope that made sense
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09:00:20am
Sorry I started this. Check out Canada in the auction area and then check all his auctions. It really isn't important, I just started this as a bit of an educational thing as to what BOB should mean. Obviously no one noticed and it really isn't important. Since I use Scott's and my albums have a BOB section I notice that sort of thing.
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"The michel catalogue has airmails, semipostals and express/special delivery stamps all in the main listing. The underlying logic is (as far as I know) that these are all stamps that can/could be used by the common consumer to mail a letter, whereas officials, postage dues were not."
Michel and Gibbons are similar in that regard.
The problem with Scott is that while Scott listings are compartmentalized by stamp service type, Scott also has a very large number of listings where the regular postage, semi-postal and air mail issues of a set are compiled together. This inconsistency often adds an unnecessary level of frustration of using Scott catalogues.
Harvey, don't be sorry about posting this. I think it gives people some good information on how different catalogues compile their listings, and shows, once again, how inconsistent Scott is, so that users of Scott can learn to search all over the place for a stamp and still not find it
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04:05:05pm
I've learned a lot from this site over the time I've been a member. My wife and I collected in a sort of vacuum since we had no philatelist friends to talk to. It's really not a popular hobby in my area so I had no idea other catalogs even existed, hence different ways of collecting. I really thought Scott's was all there was and that everyone used it. I knew about Stanley Gibbons a little bit but had no real idea they used a totally different system. I knew some of my albums were numbered differently but never really thought about it. We all can learn and I seem to learn something new from this discussion site almost every day. Have a great weekend!
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Oh, we haven't even mentioned the old Minkus catalogs! 
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12:09:40am
Minkus Catalogs (Of course long out of print) often carry data that is eiher missing elsewhere or fail to explain something clearly.Also most if not all stamps had a short paragraph about the particular stamp or set of stamps.
Jacques Minkus was not just a great salesman bu a collector himself. He had stamp and supply counters in not only Gimbals, his flagship counter, but well over a dozen nationwide department stores.
My Minkus catalogs are from 1972, almost the last full world wide set issued. They sit at the easy end of a shelf where I can reach best. They were gifted to me from the Bishop of Rockville Center, Long Island, NY, Walter Kellenberg, when he received his 1974 set, the last issued.
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26 Feb 2020
11:56:46am
I'm starting to see stamps on the auction pages advertised as being BOB and the stamps do not fit the category. It's not a real problem for me, but someone should pass on a bit of information. For a stamp to be considered BOB it should be more than just regular postage. Things like semi-postal, airmail, postage due, revenue stamps, officials, protectorates, occupation stamps, etc., in other words anything that most albums put at the back of the book. Some companies, Minkus for example mix a lot of these things together throughout the album and put things like protectorates and occupation stamps at the end. Just so you know....
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12:09:07pm
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Are you talking about the Revenues and Cinderellas Category?
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26 Feb 2020
01:11:33pm
re: BOB
I believe all revenues would be in the BoB category, but since Cinderellas aren't usually in a "book" anyway I would hesitate to put them in the BOB category. Maybe some would, and that's fine. I would say, loosely, that BOB is anything not regular postage. How about anything that, in the Scott's numbering system, doesn't have a letter in front of the stamp number? This is not a problem unless someone is searching your auction posts using "BOB" and since I don't search I'm not even sure if that is possible. I just look at new postings a couple times a day.
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02:22:09pm
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" How about anything that, in the Scott's numbering system,"
Unfortunately that is a non starter as not every member has access to a Scott's catalogue.
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Harvey,
this is far more complicated than it would seem at first. Revenues, outside of US revenues, are generally NOT part of Scott (some postal tax stamps are included, but they're part of the exception to the exception to.....). Cinderellas are not included in Scott anywhere, except for Christmas seals, which were recently expanded and given a breath of new life, and only in the US (Danish seals, which predate US seals, are, for instance, not included).
Christmas seals and revenues both have prefix letters.
And yes, many album makers and some catalogues intermingle various types of stamps, prefering chronological purity over type.
David
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02:35:05pm
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" prefering chronological purity over type."
That's how Stanley Gibbons list in their catalogue.
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03:33:10pm
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"That's how Stanley Gibbons list in their catalogue."
Not completely, sir. Gibbons does have back-of-book (BOB). It includes postage dues, express letter stamps, parcel post, railway parcel stamps, officials, etc.
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03:39:36pm
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Harvey, our category is "Revenues, Cinderellas and Seals."
I looked over the current listings there, and all fit into that category.
The stamp from Angola is listed as a revenue, which is technically correct, but it is a postal tax stamp and is listed in Scott, but is bob nonetheless.
The three Kennedy sets are not listed in Scott, but are in Michel. They are postage stamps, but most consider them to be Cinderellas. The Bavarian stamps are railway parcel post stamps.
There just isn't enough material being offered to justify getting our Web Wizard out to create more categories for these stamps.
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26 Feb 2020
04:59:26pm
re: BOB
I'm not getting into naming sellers, but I check out new listings a few times a day and there were a few stamp lots this morning that were called BOB, but were not. I really don't care and I'm not making a big deal out of it. I just thought the person listing the lots might see this post and learn something. Honestly, I don't care, I'm just doing this for educational purposes. I can't even remember the country!
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06:02:27am
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"Not completely, sir. Gibbons does have back-of-book (BOB). It includes postage dues, express letter stamps, parcel post, railway parcel stamps, officials, etc."
I stand corrected!
The brain obviously went "Bang".
However in my brains defense I must point out that their Sectional Catalogues like France does have the Airmails, Postage Dues etc in chronological order.
I shall try to avoid giving incorrect information in the future,
Humbly yours,
Ian.
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The michel catalogue has airmails, semipostals and express/special delivery stamps all in the main listing. The underlying logic is (as far as I know) that these are all stamps that can/could be used by the common consumer to mail a letter, whereas officials, postage dues were not. These are therefore listed separately after the main section. An additional advantage of trying to put as much as possible in the main listing is that sometimes there are sets that consist of "normal" stamps, semipostals and airmails. Scott then puts these stamps in three different categories but still adds the values together for the set. Very confusing...
In the end it is all arbitrary and all catalogues will have their own underlying decisions.
It is the same with the tendency to group long sets together vs. chronological listings. Scott does the first (although not completely consistent, as is usual with Scott) where Michel stopped doing this a long time ago and tries to be as chronological as possible. The advantage of this is that the numbering in a Michel catalogue from 20 years ago is the same as it is in the latest edition, which is something that cannot be said for Scott.
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07:06:16am
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Like most things in the philatelic world, it all depends on where you live, what catalogue is used, the individuals interpretation/perception of the words and meanings that are used within their philatelic circle.
Isn't life wonderful!
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07:15:16am
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"there were a few stamp lots this morning that were called BOB, but were not."
Auctions or approvals ??? Just one example would let us try to figure out if it;s a function of search or just a listing error (happens all the time)
For example - I did a search for "BOB" in approvals and you end up with Bobcat, Bobby Orr, Bob sled, and probably a lot more. Until we know where the problem is and how you got there it would be difficult to figure it out.
I need another cup of coffee - hope that made sense
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27 Feb 2020
09:00:20am
re: BOB
Sorry I started this. Check out Canada in the auction area and then check all his auctions. It really isn't important, I just started this as a bit of an educational thing as to what BOB should mean. Obviously no one noticed and it really isn't important. Since I use Scott's and my albums have a BOB section I notice that sort of thing.
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02:41:46pm
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"The michel catalogue has airmails, semipostals and express/special delivery stamps all in the main listing. The underlying logic is (as far as I know) that these are all stamps that can/could be used by the common consumer to mail a letter, whereas officials, postage dues were not."
Michel and Gibbons are similar in that regard.
The problem with Scott is that while Scott listings are compartmentalized by stamp service type, Scott also has a very large number of listings where the regular postage, semi-postal and air mail issues of a set are compiled together. This inconsistency often adds an unnecessary level of frustration of using Scott catalogues.
Harvey, don't be sorry about posting this. I think it gives people some good information on how different catalogues compile their listings, and shows, once again, how inconsistent Scott is, so that users of Scott can learn to search all over the place for a stamp and still not find it
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27 Feb 2020
04:05:05pm
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I've learned a lot from this site over the time I've been a member. My wife and I collected in a sort of vacuum since we had no philatelist friends to talk to. It's really not a popular hobby in my area so I had no idea other catalogs even existed, hence different ways of collecting. I really thought Scott's was all there was and that everyone used it. I knew about Stanley Gibbons a little bit but had no real idea they used a totally different system. I knew some of my albums were numbered differently but never really thought about it. We all can learn and I seem to learn something new from this discussion site almost every day. Have a great weekend!
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04:34:25pm
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Oh, we haven't even mentioned the old Minkus catalogs!
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06 Mar 2020
12:09:40am
re: BOB
Minkus Catalogs (Of course long out of print) often carry data that is eiher missing elsewhere or fail to explain something clearly.Also most if not all stamps had a short paragraph about the particular stamp or set of stamps.
Jacques Minkus was not just a great salesman bu a collector himself. He had stamp and supply counters in not only Gimbals, his flagship counter, but well over a dozen nationwide department stores.
My Minkus catalogs are from 1972, almost the last full world wide set issued. They sit at the easy end of a shelf where I can reach best. They were gifted to me from the Bishop of Rockville Center, Long Island, NY, Walter Kellenberg, when he received his 1974 set, the last issued.
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