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pigdoc

04 Oct 2018
10:03:18am
I got interested in this collecting area as my Denmark collection neared completion, and I was looking to expand into its political periphery. Schleswig-Holstein has had a tumultuous political history, being populated by peoples who would call themselves either Danish or German. I had confined my collection of S-H to the period 1850-1864, when the region was under Danish rule. Rule of S-H passed to Prussia on February 1, 1864 in the aftermath of Second War of Schleswig. WIth that, postal administration of the area passed from Denmark to what became known as Germany.

This collection is 'complete' at 35 stamps, including seven in both Mint and Used, and a few duplicates. Here are the crown jewels of that collection:
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These need to be professionally expertized, but my own close examination makes them as genuine, Scott #16; the Type II, with small letters with periods in the frame, and widely spaced wavy lines. Of course, I can compare these to Type I and Type III, also in the collection. Used, this stamp is extremely rare. Mint, they are no slouches either. I got them in a large lot offered by an uninformed seller. Yes, 'barn finds' are still out there!

Anyway, my interest in S-H was piqued again when I encountered this item which I just bought, for 2 Euros:
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It's bilingual, German and Danish. The inscriptions on the sides, left one in German, right one in Danish, both translate as "Valid until 1 month after public announcement" The top inscription is in Danish: "Our wish is fulfilled on 10.February 1920". It's signed by the Churchwarden (in German). The central motif shows a Danish flag. It looks to me like some sort of provisional currency, denominated 50 pfennigs. Can anyone else provide insight?

I found a wikipedia page for the Easter Crisis, 1920, described as a "conflict between the king (Christian X) and the cabinet over the reunification with Denmark of Schleswig." This, a reparation to be granted by Germany in the aftermath of WWI. In the interest of brevity, I'll leave it to those interested for further study.

In the context of the 1920 Easter Crisis, I presume that the "wish fulfilled" is the vote, held to determine the sovereignity of the region and the "announcement" is of the results of that vote, quite controversial in their own right, as those in Northern Schleswig voted 75% for reunification, and those in Central Schleswig voted 80% against.

This item makes a very nice bookend to my S-H collection, which may enjoy another period of expansion in the near future!

My overall collecting interests have gravitated to stamps issued and covers created in the midst of political crisis, and I'm excited to discover that context for my S-H collection.

Enjoy,
-Paul
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04 Oct 2018
10:44:08am

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Interesting find! The only thing I can add is that Daler is a small village close to Tonder in nowadays Southern Jutland. Other than that, I think your assumption is correct, this being some sort of "Notgeld".

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jmh67

10 Oct 2018
10:40:32am
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Yes, the 50 Pf note is "Notgeld". Here are pictures of a similar 25 Pf note: https://www.notgeldmarket.com/collections/series-notgeld-serienscheine/products/daler-1920-hoisting-danish-flag-plebiscite-25-pf-german-notgeld-denmark

By the way, "Gemeindevorsteher" means here a village (civil parish) mayor rather than a church warden.

-jmh

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10 Oct 2018
01:21:00pm
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Nice bookend!

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10 Oct 2018
08:03:50pm
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Collecting Notgeld is a fascinating hobby. The trick is (as in any collecting hobby) sorting out the stuff that was printed solely for collectors.

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pigdoc

20 Sep 2019
07:53:02am
re: Schleswig-Holstein

Here's an item up on eBay right now:

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This overprint (C.I.S - Commission Interalliee Slesvig) is commonly forged.
I found this excellent reference web link on the subject:
Schleswig Forgeries

From that reference, I highly suspect the stamp in the image has a forged overprint, although there are not any examples of forged overprints done quite this poorly. My first clue was that the seller seems to specialize in forged overprints.

-Paul



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Tom in Exton, PA

20 Sep 2019
08:34:32am
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"Collecting Notgeld is a fascinating hobby. The trick is (as in any collecting hobby) sorting out the stuff that was printed solely for collectors."



When I was a kid attending coin and stamp shows in Germany era of 1970-73, there were piles of old bills. Inflationary period bills with lots of zeros and notgeld notes. They were very cheap so us kids grew small collections of them, mainly because of curiosity. I no doubt still have them tucked away somewhere!

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pigdoc

04 Oct 2018
10:03:18am

I got interested in this collecting area as my Denmark collection neared completion, and I was looking to expand into its political periphery. Schleswig-Holstein has had a tumultuous political history, being populated by peoples who would call themselves either Danish or German. I had confined my collection of S-H to the period 1850-1864, when the region was under Danish rule. Rule of S-H passed to Prussia on February 1, 1864 in the aftermath of Second War of Schleswig. WIth that, postal administration of the area passed from Denmark to what became known as Germany.

This collection is 'complete' at 35 stamps, including seven in both Mint and Used, and a few duplicates. Here are the crown jewels of that collection:
Image Not Found

These need to be professionally expertized, but my own close examination makes them as genuine, Scott #16; the Type II, with small letters with periods in the frame, and widely spaced wavy lines. Of course, I can compare these to Type I and Type III, also in the collection. Used, this stamp is extremely rare. Mint, they are no slouches either. I got them in a large lot offered by an uninformed seller. Yes, 'barn finds' are still out there!

Anyway, my interest in S-H was piqued again when I encountered this item which I just bought, for 2 Euros:
Image Not Found

It's bilingual, German and Danish. The inscriptions on the sides, left one in German, right one in Danish, both translate as "Valid until 1 month after public announcement" The top inscription is in Danish: "Our wish is fulfilled on 10.February 1920". It's signed by the Churchwarden (in German). The central motif shows a Danish flag. It looks to me like some sort of provisional currency, denominated 50 pfennigs. Can anyone else provide insight?

I found a wikipedia page for the Easter Crisis, 1920, described as a "conflict between the king (Christian X) and the cabinet over the reunification with Denmark of Schleswig." This, a reparation to be granted by Germany in the aftermath of WWI. In the interest of brevity, I'll leave it to those interested for further study.

In the context of the 1920 Easter Crisis, I presume that the "wish fulfilled" is the vote, held to determine the sovereignity of the region and the "announcement" is of the results of that vote, quite controversial in their own right, as those in Northern Schleswig voted 75% for reunification, and those in Central Schleswig voted 80% against.

This item makes a very nice bookend to my S-H collection, which may enjoy another period of expansion in the near future!

My overall collecting interests have gravitated to stamps issued and covers created in the midst of political crisis, and I'm excited to discover that context for my S-H collection.

Enjoy,
-Paul

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04 Oct 2018
10:44:08am

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re: Schleswig-Holstein

Interesting find! The only thing I can add is that Daler is a small village close to Tonder in nowadays Southern Jutland. Other than that, I think your assumption is correct, this being some sort of "Notgeld".

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jmh67

10 Oct 2018
10:40:32am

re: Schleswig-Holstein

Yes, the 50 Pf note is "Notgeld". Here are pictures of a similar 25 Pf note: https://www.notgeldmarket.com/collections/series-notgeld-serienscheine/products/daler-1920-hoisting-danish-flag-plebiscite-25-pf-german-notgeld-denmark

By the way, "Gemeindevorsteher" means here a village (civil parish) mayor rather than a church warden.

-jmh

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ikeyPikey

10 Oct 2018
01:21:00pm

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Nice bookend!

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TribalErnie

10 Oct 2018
08:03:50pm

re: Schleswig-Holstein

Collecting Notgeld is a fascinating hobby. The trick is (as in any collecting hobby) sorting out the stuff that was printed solely for collectors.

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pigdoc

20 Sep 2019
07:53:02am

re: Schleswig-Holstein

Here's an item up on eBay right now:

Image Not Found

This overprint (C.I.S - Commission Interalliee Slesvig) is commonly forged.
I found this excellent reference web link on the subject:
Schleswig Forgeries

From that reference, I highly suspect the stamp in the image has a forged overprint, although there are not any examples of forged overprints done quite this poorly. My first clue was that the seller seems to specialize in forged overprints.

-Paul



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Tom in Exton, PA
20 Sep 2019
08:34:32am

re: Schleswig-Holstein

"Collecting Notgeld is a fascinating hobby. The trick is (as in any collecting hobby) sorting out the stuff that was printed solely for collectors."



When I was a kid attending coin and stamp shows in Germany era of 1970-73, there were piles of old bills. Inflationary period bills with lots of zeros and notgeld notes. They were very cheap so us kids grew small collections of them, mainly because of curiosity. I no doubt still have them tucked away somewhere!

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