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General Philatelic/Identify This? : WWII POW stamps

 

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larsdog
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02 Dec 2017
07:58:38pm
I found these:

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Apparently they are WWII POW stamps, but I don't see them listed in Germany or Poland in Scott. I assume that would require a specialized catalog. Does anyone know where I can find some history on these items. I've seen some on cover as well.

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02 Dec 2017
11:20:04pm

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re: WWII POW stamps

Lars,

I lent my P volume out, so I can't confirm, but I think that most Polish stamps during second war were issued under General Gouvernment, not under Polish authority. I have no idea of Soviet-occupied areas.

However, it's the colors that make me think this a commemoration of Polish POWs, not POW stamps.

Furthermore, POWs were allowed to post letters free-franked. Don't know the limit, but rules were similar to what Allied service members "enjoyed."

Finally, Poland was an occupied country from the beginning of the war until..... well kinda forever. I doubt they had any other nations' POWs to whom to offer stamps.

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03 Dec 2017
05:22:16am

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re: WWII POW stamps

What makes you think these are POW stamps? I don't see any reference on the stamp itself.

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jillcrow

03 Dec 2017
05:43:01am
re: WWII POW stamps

This stamp is listed in the Stamp Encyclopaedia Poland under the heading:
Camp post - Inter-camp post in Germany - Lubeck. Fischer 1 Year of issue 1945 (Syrena/Mermaid)

http://www.stampspoland.nl/index.html

Here is one used on a postcard:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1945-WWII-POLAND-GERMANY-GEESTHACHT-LUBEKA-LUBECK-MERMAID-CAMP-POST-POW-CARD/282432421778?hash=item41c248bf92:g:I1wAAOSwJSJXGI3w

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03 Dec 2017
03:04:21pm

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that's a post-war CDS.


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03 Dec 2017
05:30:06pm
re: WWII POW stamps

"that's a post-war CDS."



You are correct! I can't help but wonder how many of these are contrived. I really don't know anything about them, but if they are legit I'd like to consider getting one for my topical on Mermaids. I'm concerned about fakes, though.

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03 Dec 2017
06:40:06pm
re: WWII POW stamps

Hi Lars,

I think the heading of "Polish prisoners of war camps" given in http://www.stampspoland.nl/index.html may have been misunderstood.

The heading is used for a number of related topics including "Inter-Camp Post" and gives the following reference for this:

http://www.stampdomain.com/country/poland/intercamp/index.htm

This describes the Inter-Camp Post system and its purpose.

It described the situation of refugees in camps after the end of the war.

People started to write one another, however the postal system was non existent. Polish committees were formed in Bremen, Hamburg, Bergedorf, Lubeck, Cologne, Hannover, Munich and other locations.

It was these committees who organised the movement of mail between the camps and decided to organise an Inter Camp Post for the Polish refugees within the British, US and French sectors of Germany.


The link gives more detail on this.



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03 Dec 2017
10:47:30pm
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So they were for POST war camps. That makes more sense.

Thank you so much for the clarification, Nigel!

The big question is: are fakes a major concern with these?

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04 Dec 2017
12:48:43pm
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I copied the image and showed this to an friend of mine (who also used to be my high school history teacher). He was a resident of one of the displaced persons camps as a young boy before he came to Canada. His parents were forced labourers from Poland and he remembered mail using similar stamps, although he couldn't remember (quite understandably) whether they were Polish or something else entirely.

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APS #220693 ATA#57179
02 Dec 2017
07:58:38pm

I found these:

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Apparently they are WWII POW stamps, but I don't see them listed in Germany or Poland in Scott. I assume that would require a specialized catalog. Does anyone know where I can find some history on these items. I've seen some on cover as well.

Lars

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02 Dec 2017
11:20:04pm

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re: WWII POW stamps

Lars,

I lent my P volume out, so I can't confirm, but I think that most Polish stamps during second war were issued under General Gouvernment, not under Polish authority. I have no idea of Soviet-occupied areas.

However, it's the colors that make me think this a commemoration of Polish POWs, not POW stamps.

Furthermore, POWs were allowed to post letters free-franked. Don't know the limit, but rules were similar to what Allied service members "enjoyed."

Finally, Poland was an occupied country from the beginning of the war until..... well kinda forever. I doubt they had any other nations' POWs to whom to offer stamps.

David

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Jansimon

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03 Dec 2017
05:22:16am

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re: WWII POW stamps

What makes you think these are POW stamps? I don't see any reference on the stamp itself.

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jillcrow

03 Dec 2017
05:43:01am

re: WWII POW stamps

This stamp is listed in the Stamp Encyclopaedia Poland under the heading:
Camp post - Inter-camp post in Germany - Lubeck. Fischer 1 Year of issue 1945 (Syrena/Mermaid)

http://www.stampspoland.nl/index.html

Here is one used on a postcard:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1945-WWII-POLAND-GERMANY-GEESTHACHT-LUBEKA-LUBECK-MERMAID-CAMP-POST-POW-CARD/282432421778?hash=item41c248bf92:g:I1wAAOSwJSJXGI3w

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03 Dec 2017
03:04:21pm

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re: WWII POW stamps

that's a post-war CDS.


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larsdog

APS #220693 ATA#57179
03 Dec 2017
05:30:06pm

re: WWII POW stamps

"that's a post-war CDS."



You are correct! I can't help but wonder how many of these are contrived. I really don't know anything about them, but if they are legit I'd like to consider getting one for my topical on Mermaids. I'm concerned about fakes, though.

Lars

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nigelc

03 Dec 2017
06:40:06pm

re: WWII POW stamps

Hi Lars,

I think the heading of "Polish prisoners of war camps" given in http://www.stampspoland.nl/index.html may have been misunderstood.

The heading is used for a number of related topics including "Inter-Camp Post" and gives the following reference for this:

http://www.stampdomain.com/country/poland/intercamp/index.htm

This describes the Inter-Camp Post system and its purpose.

It described the situation of refugees in camps after the end of the war.

People started to write one another, however the postal system was non existent. Polish committees were formed in Bremen, Hamburg, Bergedorf, Lubeck, Cologne, Hannover, Munich and other locations.

It was these committees who organised the movement of mail between the camps and decided to organise an Inter Camp Post for the Polish refugees within the British, US and French sectors of Germany.


The link gives more detail on this.



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larsdog

APS #220693 ATA#57179
03 Dec 2017
10:47:30pm

re: WWII POW stamps

So they were for POST war camps. That makes more sense.

Thank you so much for the clarification, Nigel!

The big question is: are fakes a major concern with these?

Lars

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doomboy

04 Dec 2017
12:48:43pm

re: WWII POW stamps

I copied the image and showed this to an friend of mine (who also used to be my high school history teacher). He was a resident of one of the displaced persons camps as a young boy before he came to Canada. His parents were forced labourers from Poland and he remembered mail using similar stamps, although he couldn't remember (quite understandably) whether they were Polish or something else entirely.

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