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10 Sep 2017
09:04:04pm
Starting a new thread for world airmails today to keep the load times down.

For today the airmail stamps of New Caledonia are being shown.
These are on Steiner pages which represent the WWII Vichy issues. Scott does not recognize the Vichy issues and does not provide spaces for them.
Shown are the first four pages.

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10 Sep 2017
11:03:12pm
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I Received this cover sporting a U.S. C11 yesterday. I've known a couple people who thought this to be their favorite stamp. I don't buy a lot of covers but this cancel really sucked me in.

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10 Sep 2017
11:56:42pm
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Mitch, Scott added all the Vichy issues to the catalog several years ago.

The New Caledonia 1942-1943 seaplane set without "RF" set is Scott #C6A-C6G

The eagle stamp is Scott #C13A.

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11 Sep 2017
11:08:57pm
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The Phillipines are the airmails being shown today.
Shown are the first three pages

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13 Sep 2017
11:20:50pm
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Shown today are the airmails of Nicaragua.
A great many airmails were issued for Nicaragua, many of the early ones were overprinted and are rather scarce.
Shown are the first page and three later pages.

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14 Sep 2017
02:02:12pm
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Keep em coming !!

Love the french colonies stuff.. S.American stuff cracks me up too. Soooo many airmails for places with little use for them.

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16 Sep 2017
10:42:34pm
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For today the air mail stamps of Estonia.
Although there were only one page of stamps issued they are all beauties.
Today I received the two key emails, ones I doubted I would ever get. They are the
two mounted stamps in the third row. Now I only have to get the much cheaper $60 stamp to complete. 3 more semi postals and the country will be complete for the classical era.

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17 Sep 2017
10:17:36pm
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For today another Central American country, El Slavador.
Like it's neighboring countries El Salvador issued many beautiful air mail stamps.
Shown are the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th pages from my collection.

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17 Sep 2017
10:51:55pm
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Hi Mitch,
What a pleasant coincidence your posting of El Salvador airmails tonight.
My daughter is travelling to El Salvador tomorrow, and will be sending me a postcard or two while there.
My thoughts are with her.
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19 Sep 2017
01:09:04am
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Dennis, Cool hope she has a great time and that it is a pleasant spot to visit these days.
Friendly destinations seem to be decreasing and Salvador has often been iffy.

I have been working on New Zealand in the last year and it has improved a lot.
Today I received the two overprinted stamps in the center of the page below to complete few airmails that NZ has issued.

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19 Sep 2017
05:44:56pm
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Mitchell: Those early Estonias are terrific!!

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20 Sep 2017
01:04:33am
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Dave, Estonia as well as it's Baltic neighbors have always been some of my favorites.
They have a primitive folksy appearance unlike any other countries, that I find very appealing. I think all collectors should seriously think about collecting the early issues from 1918-1940. With a limited number of issues none of which are terribly expensive makes the somewhat easy to complete.

For today the airmails of Iceland are the topic.
Shown are the first two pages.

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21 Sep 2017
10:08:45pm
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For today the airmails of Algeria are what's on the menu.
Shown are the limited number of stamps that were issued.

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22 Sep 2017
02:21:42pm

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Mitch, as always thanks for sharing.
I look forward, on a daily basis, to your next post.
Algeria C4A. I guess I am not the only one having difficulties in finding this stamp. Why is it so hard?

rrr....

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23 Sep 2017
12:54:01am
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rrr...., Thanks, it's my pleasure. I like introducing collectors to different places have not seen before. Of course in your case that isn't much.
As far as the C4a is concerned I've never known anyone to have it. I looked for along time 30 years ago or so but never could find one. I've pretty much concluded they either don't exist or are so much rarer than the catalog states that I probably could not afford one if I ever did find one. I see the cat value has more than doubled since I penciled the price in it's space way back when.

French West Africa is the country for today. As I recall it is one of the easiest countries to complete with a catalog just shy of $150 if I remember correctly.
Shown are the 1st four airmail pages from my collection. For the most part they are quite attractive multi color stamp in large format.

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26 Sep 2017
11:18:27pm
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Dutch Indies are the air mails being shown today. Only a couple pages worth were issued but they all very attractive and you gotta love those plane overprints on the early ones.
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27 Sep 2017
08:51:55pm
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For today two stamps I received yesterday to add to my French collection. They are the first two French airmails C1 and C2. France is one of my most favorite countries and hard to complete. I very much doubt I will ever complete it but these two stamps bring me a little bit closer and leave me with only 13 stamps that I need, including all regular, Semi postals and air mails.

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28 Sep 2017
11:32:42am
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Wow - beautiful stamps, Mitchell!

And congratulations on your accomplishment!

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28 Sep 2017
12:50:03pm

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Algeria-C4A-Type-II-Mint-NEVER-HINGED-NICE-with-PSE-GRADE-95-/122706284529?hash=item1c91dd4ff1:g:8ncAAOSwL5BZwHOh

Here's a ebay link to the first ALgeria c4a I have ever seen

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28 Sep 2017
03:29:49pm

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Re France C1 and C2. A few words of warning. There are so many fake o/p being sold today of C1 to C4. The French ebay site sells them routinely day in and day out as : "genuine stamp, overprint may be modern"
In other words, counterfeit o/p intended as fillers as genuine stamps cost quite a bit, and I would think you would expect them with certificates (careful for fake certificates, or experts marks on the back).
While some dealers do word their warning in such a fashion, or refuse to authenticate the stamps, they often state genuine stamp, but some of them may be genuine stamps by have clearly counterfeited o/p. Sadly they are listed at full price!

Here are my C1-C4
Used or Mint, they are sadly probably counterfeits.

Good luck with yours.....hope you have higher degree of confidence than I have with mine.Crying

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29 Sep 2017
11:24:48pm
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Bob, Thanks for the link. I can now, at least, say that I've seen one and they do in fact exist.

rrr, Of course I am fully aware as to the bogus overprints on these as well as any other stamp with an overprint that catalogs for more than the base stamp. I'm always very weary of any of them and would be happier if they didn't exist. Now that I have them in hand I see something that I don't like with the lettering so I am probably going to send them back (which is something I hardly ever do).

Did you get those first four airmails from the same place? As you know after #'s 71 and 8, C4 is probably the next top key stamp for France. If it is real then WOW! Of course being on a minimum cat stamp would seem pretty unlikely.

There are only a few overprinted stamps that I trust without question. They are stamps where the color of the stamp was changed for the overprint. My favorite is Belgium B47 which is Blue but the regular stamp was printed in light Brown. Wish they were all that way.
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30 Sep 2017
03:38:49pm

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Mitch, I agree France #8, #71 and C4 are virtually impossible to get.

My #C1 to #C4 are all confirmed counterfeits (alas).

Think about #8 (Y&T #7 Vermillon and #7A vermillon pale, Vervelle sheet)..there are so few of them, and all are pretty well known! The best I have is a Sc #9 that pretends to be a #8, it is very light Carmine that looks like a Vermilion. I keep in the #8 slot as wishful thinking...lol (photo below). It is a gorgeous #9 however on its own rights, but missing a certificate, while the one next to it is APS certified as a #9, left corner repaired...But I would have said #9b!

FYI, There is a Y&T #8A 25c (R)o/p on 20c blue (scott #4), not is Scott, but equally impossible to get. All the ones I have ever seen are fake, but I have been thinking of getting one just for the fun of it, given that the #4 20c blue is also a rarity.
Equally hard to get, the tete beche Y&T 1-8...I am not even trying!

Happy hunting.

rrr...

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30 Sep 2017
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Does anyone know if Rich sold his French collection, maybe he has what what you would wish for if the genie appeared.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=16928#127675

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02 Oct 2017
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The airmails today are from French Togo.
All of the issued airmails are shown.
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03 Oct 2017
01:19:50am
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Many French colonies issued a fascinating air mail set in 1947. I always liked them for their artistic designs.

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03 Oct 2017
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Those are some of my favorites, too, Michael. (The 1947 series.)

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03 Oct 2017
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For today the Italian colony of Libia.
Shown are pages 2-4. My first page is pretty bleak with only two stamps so I'm not bothering to show it.

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06 Oct 2017
09:10:58pm
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Known for it's beautiful and colorful issues, the airmail stamps of French Polynesia are no different.
Shown are the first four pages.
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09 Oct 2017
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For today the airmail stamps of China.
I don't know if I've added any stamps to these pages since I was a kid. I would however like to complete the first page someday.
Shown are the first four pages.
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18 Oct 2017
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I'm starting to run low on countries that have airmails to show. Some do not have any and others only a page. I will show the few remaining countries that have a a couple of pages and double up and show a couple countries that only have one page until done.

For today I'm showing the two pages of the airmails of MEMEL

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19 Oct 2017
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Mitch, what do you think youll show next? I'd love to see a daily "best stamps of the world". You've shown some striking, amazing sets and I'd love to see a return of all the best. Your choice!

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19 Oct 2017
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Amazing collection Mitch! I enjoy your posts, some from countries I've never heard of!

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19 Oct 2017
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Ernie, I haven't really decided yet. It has been pretty easy to show the regular, semi postal and Airmails as they are already scanned, although I usually have to resize them to fit the board parameters. I've though about doing other B.O.B.'s although many countries would be very limited while others would be quite deep. Favorite pages would be good although there would probably be a lot of repetition over what has already been shown as first few pages are often my favorites. Favorite single and sets would be nice but would require a lot of work each day. "Best stamps of the World" would of course be very limiting as I don't have most of them. Perhaps the readers of this thread would like to suggest their preferences and we can go from there.

Tom, Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy the postings


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19 Oct 2017
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I showed the airmails of Memel yesterday but forgot I had several lots on the way. I received them today so I thought I'd update those pages which are much improved.

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19 Oct 2017
10:43:43pm
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Well, you shot me down. I thought I could finally say, "Wow! I have more Memel airmails than Antonius Ra does!" Now all I can say is that he doesn't have many more Memel airmails than I do.

Seriously, Memel has, for some unknown reason, always fascinated me - maybe the overprints and then the overprinted overprints or French stamps used as a base about as far away from France as you can get and still be in Europe.

Whatever, a nice group of stamps, A-Ra. Keep them coming.

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22 Oct 2017
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Dollhaus, Sorry to bust your bubble but I could not avoid it. I saw, I needed I bid and won. It's just the way she goes. The next one is pretty weak, perhaps you can better it.

For today the Dutch colony of Curacao.
Shown are the first 3 pages.
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24 Oct 2017
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For today Luxembourg airmails are being showing. Unfortunately only two sets were the total issuance Image Not Foundof airmails to come out of Luxembourg.

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27 Oct 2017
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For today the airmails of Liberia. As with most Liberian stamps there are many attractive stamps. Shown are the first and second page and a couple favorite later ones.

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28 Oct 2017
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For today the stamps of Italian East Africa are being shown.
The first page plus part of another and 2 Airmail Special delivery
stamps comprise all of the airmails that were issued.

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01 Nov 2017
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The airmails of today are from El Salvador.
This is one of the last countries to be shown that has more than one page of airs.
Shown are the first four pages.

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04 Nov 2017
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Today I have a heads up and a question. Venezuela has as many airmails than any country and many of them are rather pricey. Out of over 1,000 airmails I just brought my needlist down to 6 for this area. Every once and a while you'll come upon a stamp that catalogs for under a dollar but somehow you may never see it in a collection much less add it to your collection. Today I finally got one of those hard to find items. It is the 12 1/2 cent
stamp, second stamp in the first row below. I've been searching Venezuela every week for decades and finally found it. It only catalogs for 85 cents and I found it in a lot of two complete pages which contained nothing else I did not have and cost me $11.00
but I finally got it. I'm just curious if anyone else who collects Venezuela has the stamp and if so do you remember having a hard time finding it? If you don't have it, good luck
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04 Nov 2017
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Would you believe it - there's one on cover on eBay right now - asking price is £20!

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04 Nov 2017
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Strider, Thanks! No doubt it would be a lot harder to find one cover.
However 20 pounds is a lot to fill a 85 cent hole.

Ho about the other big world collectors like Michael, Rrrphy or anyone else
have this stamp or have been looking for it?

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05 Nov 2017
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Checked through everything I had and one local stamp store that had quite a range of Venezuela today and it was not to be found. Could not locate the item on eBay that was mentioned. It was quite a fun search though even if unsuccessful in that I got to look through an area that I have not paid a lot of attention.

The sheer number of airmail offerings from Venezuela was quite imposing. Noticed that a lot of South American countries seem to have an unusually large number of different airmail stamps. Any ideas on why this might be?

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05 Nov 2017
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It makes you wonder how catalog value is determined.

If a stamp is absolutely elusive, that makes it rare. It means some collectors would pay dearly to complete the page. Since you paid $11 for the page just to receive that stamp, it's reasonable to say you would've paid that if it was a single stamp in an auction. Now the cover listed at 20 pounds... watch and see what it sells for.

Figuring that things sell for 10-20% of Scott, or up to 50% sometimes, that the catalog value for that stamp should be a lot more than 85 cents!

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Antonius, Tom et al, your comments raise a question that I'm just now struggling with.

Just thinking "out loud" and asking rhetorical questions.

What is the difference between the rare stamps for which Scott provides values and those where Scott values the stamps at "—" because "...information is either lacking or insufficient for purposes of establishing a usable catalog value." (From Scott Classic Specialized 2016.) Scott states this comment is for US stamps specifically and I have yet to find an explanation for non-US stamps. Why would Scott address US stamps specifically in this situation? Maybe an editing error?

Scott says, "The absence of a retail value for a stamp does not necessarily suggest the stamp is scarce or rare." Is this just another way for Scott to admit they don't have the resources to search online for sales data for every stamp? Or is it that they tried and simply couldn't find data? Maybe both?

As Tom suggests, Antonius's experience indicates a problem with the Scott listing. Given Scott's explanation for the use of "—", Why isn't Scott using the "—" entry for Antonius's new acquisition rather than a value? My 1987 Scott lists the stamp, both mint and used, at $1.50. I wonder if Scott had a reasonable market basis for that value back then, given that Antonius couldn't locate copies over multiple decades? Maybe the current market value is simply an adjusted carry-over from years ago and there has never really been an adequate basis for establishing a real market value. We all know from experience that Scott has some errors that go way back. Why would we expect Scott to succeed in finding enough copies for sale to warrant a catalog market value entry if Antonius couldn't find one until now.

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Well Scott seemed to have thunk it was a minimal value stamp at some point. Having such low value an auction house would never bother selling one if they had ever even seen one. I doubt many dealers ever had and if so it would be rather doubtful that some would go to the trouble of even trying to sell it as a single. So then how would Scott determine a price? It is a long set that reached over a couple decades and there many stamps in the set that reach upwards of $20.00, but none of them are hard to come by, I've had multiple copies of all the rest. I think the price should be more like $35.00.

There is a French stamp that is very like this stamp as far as scarcity and catalog value.
It is the French stamp below. I and another collector friend realized the scarcity and had a contest to see which one of us could find one first. It took over ten years for one of us to win. Later on I found a cache of them in Europe and bought them all up for cheap. It catalogs for around 35 cents but I've had no problem with selling several of them for $5.00 each. I wonder how many French collectors here have on? I"d quesstimate the value on this one should be around $17.50

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Antonius said:

"Having such low value an auction house would never bother selling one if they had ever even seen one. I doubt many dealers ever had and if so it would be rather doubtful that some would go to the trouble of even trying to sell it as a single. So then how would Scott determine a price?"



An interesting observation, Antonius. How in the world does a scarce but under-valued stamp ever get re-valued by the market? The existing catalog values are distorting the market prices. There is apparently no incentive for auction houses or dealers to do anything about it—because they're either unaware or don't want to invest the time and effort it would require to get a stamp revalued. Maybe it's a matter of getting the individual situations publicized via Linn's or APS or whatever.

I wonder how common this situation is? Somebody could start a blog or maybe a thread here at SoS and bring wider attention to some of these shortcomings in the catalog values! Of course, anyone who is aware of such situations and is still looking for their scarce but inexpensive stamp may be unwilling to speak up until they've found their copy! :-)

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Found a new listing for Venezuela C121 on eBay this morning although the source of the eBay listing is Venezuela. According to some friends from Caracas, the mail system is not very reliable especially in the last year or so. Shipping cost was quite a bit more than the price for the stamp on the auction.

It does indicate that the stamp can be found even though it will likely be challenging based on Antonius Ra's experience. One particular challenge is that it is not part of the pages in Scott's International Part I or in the Minkus Supreme Global albums based on my review of the pages so only more advanced collectors are likely to have looked for it, i.e. people using a Scott Specialty Venezuela album.

Anyone have any idea whether it is in any of the other comprehensive world wide albums of the past? Or in the Minkus Venezuela country album? Or equivalents if they exist from Yvert or Stanley Gibbons?

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"Ho about the other big world collectors like Michael, Rrrphy or anyone else
have this stamp or have been looking for it?"



No, I don't have it. I haven't worked on Venezuela in a long time.
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JBaxter, Thanks for the research. It could be that there are many of them down in Venezuela but they just never made there way up to the states. The same thing appears to be true of the French stamp I showed. Interesting that it does not have a space in either of the mid level Scott or Minkus albums. It would seem the reason for that is that they are aware of it's scarcity. One can only guess why the cat value does not reflect it's
scarcity.

I think it would be a good idea of starting a thread of low value stamps that members have had a very difficult time finding. Personaly I have really not found that many that would come under that category. Seeing how I have most of them I really don't think there are that many except possibly areas that don't get much attention.

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Ah, the interesting part of scarcity. Note that some of these stamps, like in Mitch's example, may have remained unfound pre-internet. A funny thing happens when all the collectibles in the world make it into one alphabetical index!

Back when I was collecting my Ben Franklins in the 1970s, in my years of searching, I had never even seen some of the different private perforations. Since eBay, I own a complete set including unlisted varieties. Some of them I paid dearly for the first time they appeared, thinking they were unique, only to be fooled when others sold for cheap in the following years.

My first big eBay buy was Scott 300b, the Ben Franklin booklet pane. In all my travels to shows in the 1970s I hadn't seen seen one in person. And there it was on eBay. I sniped it in person back in the early days. I paid a few hundred dollars. Take a look today and you can pick from a dozen of them! And over the years when one was available around $100, I'd snag it. I think I have six of them now.

And the same applies to my NJ cancellation collection. I saw "Long Branch Village, NJ" on cover for sale for $25 on eBay. I look and find that the post office only existed for five years, from 1882 to 1886, so I figure this is my one chance to obtain this marking. So I buy it. As no good deed goes unpunished, shortly after someone found a hoard of ancient correspondence and FIVE of these, all between the same parties, get listed for $5 each.

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"How about the other big world collectors like Michael, Rrrphy or anyone else
have this stamp or have been looking for it?"



Hi Mitch. Latin America is an area that I am just starting to work on methodically, finally emptying my envelopes of accumulated stamps in album, sorting separating and trying to fill the many voids at this stage of the game. You are in luck with Venezuela, which I have paid attention to the last year or so. And while it is still full of holes for many very common stamps, I must say that the elusive 12 1/2 centimos Air Mail is in it! I use Steiner pages, so the presentation is different from yours, but here it is, part of the 1938-1939 sets. (scan below)
I am sorry, but I have no idea how I came across it!


My fascination with very low cost but impossible to get Latin American Stamps resides today with Argentina..the so called Departmental Officials. I will write something on the topic, one of these days, if there is interest (let me know). But while I have a fairly elaborate specialty collection, some of the gaps drive me nuts. Luckily, I will be in Buenos aires next May, and I promised myself to spend a day just looking for them (there was a street with dozen of dealer shops...hope it is still active today)

The France 7 1/2c precancel is very common. In the Y & T catalog, it is marginally higher priced than the other low cost stamps in that set. I sold a bunch in Approval Books for 10c or so each, not too long ago. But the sheet you have is quite special!

If you really want a challenge with France pre-cancelled stamps, look no further than the 1893 sets of 25 stamps (Y & T pre #1-23A)...that will keep you up at night, especially since most available now are fake o/p. I vaguely remember posting my collection pages some years ago...I will search for a link. https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=7535#49282
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Ralph, Glad you have the 12 1/2 but I was hoping you would be able to recall
it being hard to come by. It's often funny how the search for stamps pans out.
I would not doubt I'll come by several of them in the near future without even looking.
The Argentinian departmental revenues are a tricky series to put together. There are maybe a dozen that cat for over $10.00 but the rest are mostly under a dollar. The whole of 357 stamps odes cat for around $1,120 so there is some meat there. I have bought many lots of them over the years but I've only come up with about 71% of them. Most collections have the same stamps and finding one you need is difficult. Good luck in Buenos Aires.

I've pretty much run out of air mails that are more than one page per country so I'm going to call it quits on this tread. I need to figure out a new subject matter but I'm not coming up with many ideas. Anybody that has any ideas let me know.

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As an ego boost for us more pedestrian collectors perhaps you can post some pages with mostly blank spots. It will show that our blanks may be more the norm. It also may get you a odd offer to fill a space!

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Mitchell: Perhaps another subject could be various definitive series you've completed and found interesting.

I know this is something I always enjoy looking at when I view people's collections.

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Ryan,
Sorry but I really can't be much help with that. Fact is I don't really have that many pages with empty spaces for most countries. I don't care much about the Mideast, post liberation Africa, China or post 1960 Eastern European. Any comparison to these would not mean much of anything because I care little about them and have not taken the time in collecting them. Major country colonies and offices are usually the more difficult stamps to obatain and constitute the bulk of my empty spaces, however it is highly unikely for the "pedestrian collector" to get an ego boost by comparing theirs with mine.
Uless you have Scott Specialty, Steiner or some other pages that show all stamps it would be quite meaningless as all the better stamps would not be represented.
Most stamps are not that hard to get. Your collection reflects on how much time,
dedication and to a lesser but steadily increasing degree money.

If you want to search for my empty spaces just go to the link below, perhaps you can find what you need there.

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Dave, That is a pretty good idea and one I have not thought of. However there are so many of them for most countries that I'm not sure how I would do it and it would be very time consuming. If I were to do it I would have to make each country a separate thread as there would be to many scans resulting in long load times. I'm really not sure that I can spend the several hours it would take for most countries.

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Mitchell, in my mind, this does not need to be a comprehensive survey. I'd be interested in knowing of and seeing any definitive series of whatever country that you've found to be particularly attractive, interesting, elusive, frustrating, etc. -- Whatever strikes your fancy.

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Another suggestion, which could bring many contributions from many members is for scans of one or more collection pages with one or more missing elusive ,relatively low cost, stamps Stamps that one tries for years to buy, and never seems to be able to find.
Mitch's 12 1/2 cent Venezuela stamp is a good example. We all have in our collections a particularly hard stamp to find....and one that is valued quite low.
My suggestion is to stay with stamps that are rare...hard to find, and yet inexplicably listed at a low cost in most catalogues.
If interested, we could start a new thread on this. I am sure that Mitch and others have had many such encounters. I certainly have!
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Ralph, Yes I think that would be a great thread for you to start. I really cannot think of that many low value stamps for major countries that are hard to find.

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I've really enjoyed the airmails, and I'd like to begin a small collection of different designs from say the 1920s and 30s. It's interesting to see how different countries interpreted the new phenomenon of sending mail by air. Several went for planes over their landscapes or over maps or cities, others chose the allegorical approach, and a few showed the intrepid pilot in the cockpit.

Anyway, it aroused my interest - but how to get these stamps? The problem is, if I'm only buying a few, often quite low cost items, the postage charge will be more than the stamps! Do I begin with SOR approvals and hunt through every book looking for air mails? Or haunt the local stamp fairs (there's one here tomorrow) and rummage through the dealers' books?

Either way, these threads let me know what to look for! Thanks for that, A-Ra!

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Neville, Early airmails are some of the most beautiful but of course some be rather pricey. 1920's thru 30's European and South American are my favorites. To find which ones you would like to have go thru my country collections to see what there is out there. Once you know what you want then there are of course many place to search for them. Ebay and SOR are obvious choices or any of the many online auctions, I cannot remember most of their names as I most only buy from one place and I do not advertise for them. Of course I still have a great many stamps that you have not bought yet Winking

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AntoniusRa,

Well, in response to your posting on the 12 1/2 cent Venezuela air mail, I continued searching and found a picture of one as part of a 40 piece lot being sold by someone in Argentina and decided that it was worth trying with a bid. It arrived today! So I now have a start on an early Venezuela air mail collection. But don't tell my wife! Don't Tell Anyone

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Jerrel,

Do you think "early Venezuela air mail collection" could prove too narrow in scope?

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Possibly Happy but time will tell.

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Baxter, I'd say that is a very good start. Venezuela is one of my favorite countries and you would probably find it hard to find a better one. That stamp was one of the last stamps I added from the very few that I needed which would put you ahead of the game in my book even though it may not seem so. Besides airmails I would also suggest you collect regular issues. There are many attractive and interesting stamps in either category. From Coats of Arms to many different Bolivar definitive sets which alone would make for great specialty collections. Very Long sets like the 1950-54 around 400 stamp set both issued in regular and air are also quite challenging if piecing them together. I can help you with a lot of the cheap stamps as I have a great many of them to give away, also with better from S2Go. Just write me a note.

Below are links to both regular, air mail and B.O.B. of my collection up to around 1970.
Studying them will give you a very good idea where this journey is likely to take you.

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Thanks, I have sent a direct message through the Stamporama system.

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Starting a new thread for world airmails today to keep the load times down.

For today the airmail stamps of New Caledonia are being shown.
These are on Steiner pages which represent the WWII Vichy issues. Scott does not recognize the Vichy issues and does not provide spaces for them.
Shown are the first four pages.

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I Received this cover sporting a U.S. C11 yesterday. I've known a couple people who thought this to be their favorite stamp. I don't buy a lot of covers but this cancel really sucked me in.

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Mitch, Scott added all the Vichy issues to the catalog several years ago.

The New Caledonia 1942-1943 seaplane set without "RF" set is Scott #C6A-C6G

The eagle stamp is Scott #C13A.

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The Phillipines are the airmails being shown today.
Shown are the first three pages

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Shown today are the airmails of Nicaragua.
A great many airmails were issued for Nicaragua, many of the early ones were overprinted and are rather scarce.
Shown are the first page and three later pages.

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Keep em coming !!

Love the french colonies stuff.. S.American stuff cracks me up too. Soooo many airmails for places with little use for them.

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For today the air mail stamps of Estonia.
Although there were only one page of stamps issued they are all beauties.
Today I received the two key emails, ones I doubted I would ever get. They are the
two mounted stamps in the third row. Now I only have to get the much cheaper $60 stamp to complete. 3 more semi postals and the country will be complete for the classical era.

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For today another Central American country, El Slavador.
Like it's neighboring countries El Salvador issued many beautiful air mail stamps.
Shown are the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th pages from my collection.

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Hi Mitch,
What a pleasant coincidence your posting of El Salvador airmails tonight.
My daughter is travelling to El Salvador tomorrow, and will be sending me a postcard or two while there.
My thoughts are with her.
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Dennis, Cool hope she has a great time and that it is a pleasant spot to visit these days.
Friendly destinations seem to be decreasing and Salvador has often been iffy.

I have been working on New Zealand in the last year and it has improved a lot.
Today I received the two overprinted stamps in the center of the page below to complete few airmails that NZ has issued.

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Mitchell: Those early Estonias are terrific!!

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Dave, Estonia as well as it's Baltic neighbors have always been some of my favorites.
They have a primitive folksy appearance unlike any other countries, that I find very appealing. I think all collectors should seriously think about collecting the early issues from 1918-1940. With a limited number of issues none of which are terribly expensive makes the somewhat easy to complete.

For today the airmails of Iceland are the topic.
Shown are the first two pages.

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For today the airmails of Algeria are what's on the menu.
Shown are the limited number of stamps that were issued.

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Mitch, as always thanks for sharing.
I look forward, on a daily basis, to your next post.
Algeria C4A. I guess I am not the only one having difficulties in finding this stamp. Why is it so hard?

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rrr...., Thanks, it's my pleasure. I like introducing collectors to different places have not seen before. Of course in your case that isn't much.
As far as the C4a is concerned I've never known anyone to have it. I looked for along time 30 years ago or so but never could find one. I've pretty much concluded they either don't exist or are so much rarer than the catalog states that I probably could not afford one if I ever did find one. I see the cat value has more than doubled since I penciled the price in it's space way back when.

French West Africa is the country for today. As I recall it is one of the easiest countries to complete with a catalog just shy of $150 if I remember correctly.
Shown are the 1st four airmail pages from my collection. For the most part they are quite attractive multi color stamp in large format.

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Dutch Indies are the air mails being shown today. Only a couple pages worth were issued but they all very attractive and you gotta love those plane overprints on the early ones.
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For today two stamps I received yesterday to add to my French collection. They are the first two French airmails C1 and C2. France is one of my most favorite countries and hard to complete. I very much doubt I will ever complete it but these two stamps bring me a little bit closer and leave me with only 13 stamps that I need, including all regular, Semi postals and air mails.

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Wow - beautiful stamps, Mitchell!

And congratulations on your accomplishment!

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Algeria-C4A-Type-II-Mint-NEVER-HINGED-NICE-with-PSE-GRADE-95-/122706284529?hash=item1c91dd4ff1:g:8ncAAOSwL5BZwHOh

Here's a ebay link to the first ALgeria c4a I have ever seen

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Re France C1 and C2. A few words of warning. There are so many fake o/p being sold today of C1 to C4. The French ebay site sells them routinely day in and day out as : "genuine stamp, overprint may be modern"
In other words, counterfeit o/p intended as fillers as genuine stamps cost quite a bit, and I would think you would expect them with certificates (careful for fake certificates, or experts marks on the back).
While some dealers do word their warning in such a fashion, or refuse to authenticate the stamps, they often state genuine stamp, but some of them may be genuine stamps by have clearly counterfeited o/p. Sadly they are listed at full price!

Here are my C1-C4
Used or Mint, they are sadly probably counterfeits.

Good luck with yours.....hope you have higher degree of confidence than I have with mine.Crying

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Bob, Thanks for the link. I can now, at least, say that I've seen one and they do in fact exist.

rrr, Of course I am fully aware as to the bogus overprints on these as well as any other stamp with an overprint that catalogs for more than the base stamp. I'm always very weary of any of them and would be happier if they didn't exist. Now that I have them in hand I see something that I don't like with the lettering so I am probably going to send them back (which is something I hardly ever do).

Did you get those first four airmails from the same place? As you know after #'s 71 and 8, C4 is probably the next top key stamp for France. If it is real then WOW! Of course being on a minimum cat stamp would seem pretty unlikely.

There are only a few overprinted stamps that I trust without question. They are stamps where the color of the stamp was changed for the overprint. My favorite is Belgium B47 which is Blue but the regular stamp was printed in light Brown. Wish they were all that way.
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Mitch, I agree France #8, #71 and C4 are virtually impossible to get.

My #C1 to #C4 are all confirmed counterfeits (alas).

Think about #8 (Y&T #7 Vermillon and #7A vermillon pale, Vervelle sheet)..there are so few of them, and all are pretty well known! The best I have is a Sc #9 that pretends to be a #8, it is very light Carmine that looks like a Vermilion. I keep in the #8 slot as wishful thinking...lol (photo below). It is a gorgeous #9 however on its own rights, but missing a certificate, while the one next to it is APS certified as a #9, left corner repaired...But I would have said #9b!

FYI, There is a Y&T #8A 25c (R)o/p on 20c blue (scott #4), not is Scott, but equally impossible to get. All the ones I have ever seen are fake, but I have been thinking of getting one just for the fun of it, given that the #4 20c blue is also a rarity.
Equally hard to get, the tete beche Y&T 1-8...I am not even trying!

Happy hunting.

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Does anyone know if Rich sold his French collection, maybe he has what what you would wish for if the genie appeared.
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The airmails today are from French Togo.
All of the issued airmails are shown.
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03 Oct 2017
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Many French colonies issued a fascinating air mail set in 1947. I always liked them for their artistic designs.

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Those are some of my favorites, too, Michael. (The 1947 series.)

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For today the Italian colony of Libia.
Shown are pages 2-4. My first page is pretty bleak with only two stamps so I'm not bothering to show it.

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Known for it's beautiful and colorful issues, the airmail stamps of French Polynesia are no different.
Shown are the first four pages.
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For today the airmail stamps of China.
I don't know if I've added any stamps to these pages since I was a kid. I would however like to complete the first page someday.
Shown are the first four pages.
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I'm starting to run low on countries that have airmails to show. Some do not have any and others only a page. I will show the few remaining countries that have a a couple of pages and double up and show a couple countries that only have one page until done.

For today I'm showing the two pages of the airmails of MEMEL

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Mitch, what do you think youll show next? I'd love to see a daily "best stamps of the world". You've shown some striking, amazing sets and I'd love to see a return of all the best. Your choice!

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Amazing collection Mitch! I enjoy your posts, some from countries I've never heard of!

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Ernie, I haven't really decided yet. It has been pretty easy to show the regular, semi postal and Airmails as they are already scanned, although I usually have to resize them to fit the board parameters. I've though about doing other B.O.B.'s although many countries would be very limited while others would be quite deep. Favorite pages would be good although there would probably be a lot of repetition over what has already been shown as first few pages are often my favorites. Favorite single and sets would be nice but would require a lot of work each day. "Best stamps of the World" would of course be very limiting as I don't have most of them. Perhaps the readers of this thread would like to suggest their preferences and we can go from there.

Tom, Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy the postings


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I showed the airmails of Memel yesterday but forgot I had several lots on the way. I received them today so I thought I'd update those pages which are much improved.

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Well, you shot me down. I thought I could finally say, "Wow! I have more Memel airmails than Antonius Ra does!" Now all I can say is that he doesn't have many more Memel airmails than I do.

Seriously, Memel has, for some unknown reason, always fascinated me - maybe the overprints and then the overprinted overprints or French stamps used as a base about as far away from France as you can get and still be in Europe.

Whatever, a nice group of stamps, A-Ra. Keep them coming.

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Dollhaus, Sorry to bust your bubble but I could not avoid it. I saw, I needed I bid and won. It's just the way she goes. The next one is pretty weak, perhaps you can better it.

For today the Dutch colony of Curacao.
Shown are the first 3 pages.
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For today Luxembourg airmails are being showing. Unfortunately only two sets were the total issuance Image Not Foundof airmails to come out of Luxembourg.

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For today the airmails of Liberia. As with most Liberian stamps there are many attractive stamps. Shown are the first and second page and a couple favorite later ones.

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For today the stamps of Italian East Africa are being shown.
The first page plus part of another and 2 Airmail Special delivery
stamps comprise all of the airmails that were issued.

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The airmails of today are from El Salvador.
This is one of the last countries to be shown that has more than one page of airs.
Shown are the first four pages.

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Today I have a heads up and a question. Venezuela has as many airmails than any country and many of them are rather pricey. Out of over 1,000 airmails I just brought my needlist down to 6 for this area. Every once and a while you'll come upon a stamp that catalogs for under a dollar but somehow you may never see it in a collection much less add it to your collection. Today I finally got one of those hard to find items. It is the 12 1/2 cent
stamp, second stamp in the first row below. I've been searching Venezuela every week for decades and finally found it. It only catalogs for 85 cents and I found it in a lot of two complete pages which contained nothing else I did not have and cost me $11.00
but I finally got it. I'm just curious if anyone else who collects Venezuela has the stamp and if so do you remember having a hard time finding it? If you don't have it, good luck
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04 Nov 2017
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Would you believe it - there's one on cover on eBay right now - asking price is £20!

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Strider, Thanks! No doubt it would be a lot harder to find one cover.
However 20 pounds is a lot to fill a 85 cent hole.

Ho about the other big world collectors like Michael, Rrrphy or anyone else
have this stamp or have been looking for it?

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05 Nov 2017
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Checked through everything I had and one local stamp store that had quite a range of Venezuela today and it was not to be found. Could not locate the item on eBay that was mentioned. It was quite a fun search though even if unsuccessful in that I got to look through an area that I have not paid a lot of attention.

The sheer number of airmail offerings from Venezuela was quite imposing. Noticed that a lot of South American countries seem to have an unusually large number of different airmail stamps. Any ideas on why this might be?

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It makes you wonder how catalog value is determined.

If a stamp is absolutely elusive, that makes it rare. It means some collectors would pay dearly to complete the page. Since you paid $11 for the page just to receive that stamp, it's reasonable to say you would've paid that if it was a single stamp in an auction. Now the cover listed at 20 pounds... watch and see what it sells for.

Figuring that things sell for 10-20% of Scott, or up to 50% sometimes, that the catalog value for that stamp should be a lot more than 85 cents!

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05 Nov 2017
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Antonius, Tom et al, your comments raise a question that I'm just now struggling with.

Just thinking "out loud" and asking rhetorical questions.

What is the difference between the rare stamps for which Scott provides values and those where Scott values the stamps at "—" because "...information is either lacking or insufficient for purposes of establishing a usable catalog value." (From Scott Classic Specialized 2016.) Scott states this comment is for US stamps specifically and I have yet to find an explanation for non-US stamps. Why would Scott address US stamps specifically in this situation? Maybe an editing error?

Scott says, "The absence of a retail value for a stamp does not necessarily suggest the stamp is scarce or rare." Is this just another way for Scott to admit they don't have the resources to search online for sales data for every stamp? Or is it that they tried and simply couldn't find data? Maybe both?

As Tom suggests, Antonius's experience indicates a problem with the Scott listing. Given Scott's explanation for the use of "—", Why isn't Scott using the "—" entry for Antonius's new acquisition rather than a value? My 1987 Scott lists the stamp, both mint and used, at $1.50. I wonder if Scott had a reasonable market basis for that value back then, given that Antonius couldn't locate copies over multiple decades? Maybe the current market value is simply an adjusted carry-over from years ago and there has never really been an adequate basis for establishing a real market value. We all know from experience that Scott has some errors that go way back. Why would we expect Scott to succeed in finding enough copies for sale to warrant a catalog market value entry if Antonius couldn't find one until now.

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Well Scott seemed to have thunk it was a minimal value stamp at some point. Having such low value an auction house would never bother selling one if they had ever even seen one. I doubt many dealers ever had and if so it would be rather doubtful that some would go to the trouble of even trying to sell it as a single. So then how would Scott determine a price? It is a long set that reached over a couple decades and there many stamps in the set that reach upwards of $20.00, but none of them are hard to come by, I've had multiple copies of all the rest. I think the price should be more like $35.00.

There is a French stamp that is very like this stamp as far as scarcity and catalog value.
It is the French stamp below. I and another collector friend realized the scarcity and had a contest to see which one of us could find one first. It took over ten years for one of us to win. Later on I found a cache of them in Europe and bought them all up for cheap. It catalogs for around 35 cents but I've had no problem with selling several of them for $5.00 each. I wonder how many French collectors here have on? I"d quesstimate the value on this one should be around $17.50

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Antonius said:

"Having such low value an auction house would never bother selling one if they had ever even seen one. I doubt many dealers ever had and if so it would be rather doubtful that some would go to the trouble of even trying to sell it as a single. So then how would Scott determine a price?"



An interesting observation, Antonius. How in the world does a scarce but under-valued stamp ever get re-valued by the market? The existing catalog values are distorting the market prices. There is apparently no incentive for auction houses or dealers to do anything about it—because they're either unaware or don't want to invest the time and effort it would require to get a stamp revalued. Maybe it's a matter of getting the individual situations publicized via Linn's or APS or whatever.

I wonder how common this situation is? Somebody could start a blog or maybe a thread here at SoS and bring wider attention to some of these shortcomings in the catalog values! Of course, anyone who is aware of such situations and is still looking for their scarce but inexpensive stamp may be unwilling to speak up until they've found their copy! :-)

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Found a new listing for Venezuela C121 on eBay this morning although the source of the eBay listing is Venezuela. According to some friends from Caracas, the mail system is not very reliable especially in the last year or so. Shipping cost was quite a bit more than the price for the stamp on the auction.

It does indicate that the stamp can be found even though it will likely be challenging based on Antonius Ra's experience. One particular challenge is that it is not part of the pages in Scott's International Part I or in the Minkus Supreme Global albums based on my review of the pages so only more advanced collectors are likely to have looked for it, i.e. people using a Scott Specialty Venezuela album.

Anyone have any idea whether it is in any of the other comprehensive world wide albums of the past? Or in the Minkus Venezuela country album? Or equivalents if they exist from Yvert or Stanley Gibbons?

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"Ho about the other big world collectors like Michael, Rrrphy or anyone else
have this stamp or have been looking for it?"



No, I don't have it. I haven't worked on Venezuela in a long time.
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JBaxter, Thanks for the research. It could be that there are many of them down in Venezuela but they just never made there way up to the states. The same thing appears to be true of the French stamp I showed. Interesting that it does not have a space in either of the mid level Scott or Minkus albums. It would seem the reason for that is that they are aware of it's scarcity. One can only guess why the cat value does not reflect it's
scarcity.

I think it would be a good idea of starting a thread of low value stamps that members have had a very difficult time finding. Personaly I have really not found that many that would come under that category. Seeing how I have most of them I really don't think there are that many except possibly areas that don't get much attention.

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Ah, the interesting part of scarcity. Note that some of these stamps, like in Mitch's example, may have remained unfound pre-internet. A funny thing happens when all the collectibles in the world make it into one alphabetical index!

Back when I was collecting my Ben Franklins in the 1970s, in my years of searching, I had never even seen some of the different private perforations. Since eBay, I own a complete set including unlisted varieties. Some of them I paid dearly for the first time they appeared, thinking they were unique, only to be fooled when others sold for cheap in the following years.

My first big eBay buy was Scott 300b, the Ben Franklin booklet pane. In all my travels to shows in the 1970s I hadn't seen seen one in person. And there it was on eBay. I sniped it in person back in the early days. I paid a few hundred dollars. Take a look today and you can pick from a dozen of them! And over the years when one was available around $100, I'd snag it. I think I have six of them now.

And the same applies to my NJ cancellation collection. I saw "Long Branch Village, NJ" on cover for sale for $25 on eBay. I look and find that the post office only existed for five years, from 1882 to 1886, so I figure this is my one chance to obtain this marking. So I buy it. As no good deed goes unpunished, shortly after someone found a hoard of ancient correspondence and FIVE of these, all between the same parties, get listed for $5 each.

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"How about the other big world collectors like Michael, Rrrphy or anyone else
have this stamp or have been looking for it?"



Hi Mitch. Latin America is an area that I am just starting to work on methodically, finally emptying my envelopes of accumulated stamps in album, sorting separating and trying to fill the many voids at this stage of the game. You are in luck with Venezuela, which I have paid attention to the last year or so. And while it is still full of holes for many very common stamps, I must say that the elusive 12 1/2 centimos Air Mail is in it! I use Steiner pages, so the presentation is different from yours, but here it is, part of the 1938-1939 sets. (scan below)
I am sorry, but I have no idea how I came across it!


My fascination with very low cost but impossible to get Latin American Stamps resides today with Argentina..the so called Departmental Officials. I will write something on the topic, one of these days, if there is interest (let me know). But while I have a fairly elaborate specialty collection, some of the gaps drive me nuts. Luckily, I will be in Buenos aires next May, and I promised myself to spend a day just looking for them (there was a street with dozen of dealer shops...hope it is still active today)

The France 7 1/2c precancel is very common. In the Y & T catalog, it is marginally higher priced than the other low cost stamps in that set. I sold a bunch in Approval Books for 10c or so each, not too long ago. But the sheet you have is quite special!

If you really want a challenge with France pre-cancelled stamps, look no further than the 1893 sets of 25 stamps (Y & T pre #1-23A)...that will keep you up at night, especially since most available now are fake o/p. I vaguely remember posting my collection pages some years ago...I will search for a link. https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=7535#49282
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Always interesting stuff Mitch... please don't run out of subjects.
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Ralph, Glad you have the 12 1/2 but I was hoping you would be able to recall
it being hard to come by. It's often funny how the search for stamps pans out.
I would not doubt I'll come by several of them in the near future without even looking.
The Argentinian departmental revenues are a tricky series to put together. There are maybe a dozen that cat for over $10.00 but the rest are mostly under a dollar. The whole of 357 stamps odes cat for around $1,120 so there is some meat there. I have bought many lots of them over the years but I've only come up with about 71% of them. Most collections have the same stamps and finding one you need is difficult. Good luck in Buenos Aires.

I've pretty much run out of air mails that are more than one page per country so I'm going to call it quits on this tread. I need to figure out a new subject matter but I'm not coming up with many ideas. Anybody that has any ideas let me know.

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11 Nov 2017
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As an ego boost for us more pedestrian collectors perhaps you can post some pages with mostly blank spots. It will show that our blanks may be more the norm. It also may get you a odd offer to fill a space!

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Mitchell: Perhaps another subject could be various definitive series you've completed and found interesting.

I know this is something I always enjoy looking at when I view people's collections.

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09:18:12pm

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Ryan,
Sorry but I really can't be much help with that. Fact is I don't really have that many pages with empty spaces for most countries. I don't care much about the Mideast, post liberation Africa, China or post 1960 Eastern European. Any comparison to these would not mean much of anything because I care little about them and have not taken the time in collecting them. Major country colonies and offices are usually the more difficult stamps to obatain and constitute the bulk of my empty spaces, however it is highly unikely for the "pedestrian collector" to get an ego boost by comparing theirs with mine.
Uless you have Scott Specialty, Steiner or some other pages that show all stamps it would be quite meaningless as all the better stamps would not be represented.
Most stamps are not that hard to get. Your collection reflects on how much time,
dedication and to a lesser but steadily increasing degree money.

If you want to search for my empty spaces just go to the link below, perhaps you can find what you need there.

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11 Nov 2017
09:26:58pm

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Dave, That is a pretty good idea and one I have not thought of. However there are so many of them for most countries that I'm not sure how I would do it and it would be very time consuming. If I were to do it I would have to make each country a separate thread as there would be to many scans resulting in long load times. I'm really not sure that I can spend the several hours it would take for most countries.

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11 Nov 2017
10:39:23pm

re: A-Ra's Page of the Day (AIRMAILS) Part IV

Mitchell, in my mind, this does not need to be a comprehensive survey. I'd be interested in knowing of and seeing any definitive series of whatever country that you've found to be particularly attractive, interesting, elusive, frustrating, etc. -- Whatever strikes your fancy.

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Another suggestion, which could bring many contributions from many members is for scans of one or more collection pages with one or more missing elusive ,relatively low cost, stamps Stamps that one tries for years to buy, and never seems to be able to find.
Mitch's 12 1/2 cent Venezuela stamp is a good example. We all have in our collections a particularly hard stamp to find....and one that is valued quite low.
My suggestion is to stay with stamps that are rare...hard to find, and yet inexplicably listed at a low cost in most catalogues.
If interested, we could start a new thread on this. I am sure that Mitch and others have had many such encounters. I certainly have!
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07:53:59pm

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Ralph, Yes I think that would be a great thread for you to start. I really cannot think of that many low value stamps for major countries that are hard to find.

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18 Nov 2017
08:28:54am

re: A-Ra's Page of the Day (AIRMAILS) Part IV

I've really enjoyed the airmails, and I'd like to begin a small collection of different designs from say the 1920s and 30s. It's interesting to see how different countries interpreted the new phenomenon of sending mail by air. Several went for planes over their landscapes or over maps or cities, others chose the allegorical approach, and a few showed the intrepid pilot in the cockpit.

Anyway, it aroused my interest - but how to get these stamps? The problem is, if I'm only buying a few, often quite low cost items, the postage charge will be more than the stamps! Do I begin with SOR approvals and hunt through every book looking for air mails? Or haunt the local stamp fairs (there's one here tomorrow) and rummage through the dealers' books?

Either way, these threads let me know what to look for! Thanks for that, A-Ra!

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01:06:49am

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Neville, Early airmails are some of the most beautiful but of course some be rather pricey. 1920's thru 30's European and South American are my favorites. To find which ones you would like to have go thru my country collections to see what there is out there. Once you know what you want then there are of course many place to search for them. Ebay and SOR are obvious choices or any of the many online auctions, I cannot remember most of their names as I most only buy from one place and I do not advertise for them. Of course I still have a great many stamps that you have not bought yet Winking

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22 Nov 2017
10:23:14pm

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AntoniusRa,

Well, in response to your posting on the 12 1/2 cent Venezuela air mail, I continued searching and found a picture of one as part of a 40 piece lot being sold by someone in Argentina and decided that it was worth trying with a bid. It arrived today! So I now have a start on an early Venezuela air mail collection. But don't tell my wife! Don't Tell Anyone

Jerrel

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23 Nov 2017
06:55:57am

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Jerrel,

Do you think "early Venezuela air mail collection" could prove too narrow in scope?

Ernie

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23 Nov 2017
11:26:43am

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Possibly Happy but time will tell.

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08:29:34pm

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Baxter, I'd say that is a very good start. Venezuela is one of my favorite countries and you would probably find it hard to find a better one. That stamp was one of the last stamps I added from the very few that I needed which would put you ahead of the game in my book even though it may not seem so. Besides airmails I would also suggest you collect regular issues. There are many attractive and interesting stamps in either category. From Coats of Arms to many different Bolivar definitive sets which alone would make for great specialty collections. Very Long sets like the 1950-54 around 400 stamp set both issued in regular and air are also quite challenging if piecing them together. I can help you with a lot of the cheap stamps as I have a great many of them to give away, also with better from S2Go. Just write me a note.

Below are links to both regular, air mail and B.O.B. of my collection up to around 1970.
Studying them will give you a very good idea where this journey is likely to take you.

http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/samerica/venezuela/venezuela.html
http://mitch.seymourfamily.com/mward/collection/samerica/venezuela/venez2.html


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24 Nov 2017
10:05:46pm

re: A-Ra's Page of the Day (AIRMAILS) Part IV

Thanks, I have sent a direct message through the Stamporama system.

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