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kajones
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17 Feb 2017
08:17:57am
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Since kings are difficult to identify I would like some help. Could anyone give me help with Scott #'s?

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Jansimon
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17 Feb 2017
08:42:06am

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It's difficult if not impossible to identify them like this. You need to check the watermarks.

This site will help you determine what you have: http://australianstamps.hsservices.com.au/data2/

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kajones
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17 Feb 2017
09:48:59am
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I would like any information on #8 as I can't even find it in the books.

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lemaven
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17 Feb 2017
10:44:15am

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Good timing Karen!

I had about 75 Ozzie Kings in a pile of Australia stamps that I couldn't sell at 2.5c each (with free shipping!) so I decided to work through them looking for variations. Previously, I had decided to just keep one of each denomination.

I have found there are watermark differences as Jan-Simon noted, but also perforation and paper variations. Frustrating - like the early U.S. issues I found - but interesting once you get into them.

I am at my out-of-town office today but going into a Bachelor Weekend with my wife away until Sunday night. I will try to post some info tonight/tomorrow (as another relative rookie) with what I have found and we can see what some of the more expert members contribute.

Cheers, Dave.

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kajones
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17 Feb 2017
02:14:45pm
re: Australia Kings Help identify

This is what I think so far:

#1 is #19
#2 is #23
#3 is 114
#4 is #24b
#5 might be 27a
#6 might be 19
#7 is might be 113 or 66
#8 is might be #25,
#9 is 24a or a 69?
#10 might be #24 or #63
#11 might be
#12 is #37
#13 might be 27a
#14 might be a 72a,
#15 might be a 73 and
#16 might be #75.



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lemaven
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17 Feb 2017
05:28:02pm

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In terms of process, I'm finding start easy then go deeper works well (I have a pretty low threshold for spending time on difficult or time consuming efforts).

I've found it easiest to sort by Perf (horizontal 11, 14.1/2 or 13.1/2) then by Watermark (larger single Crown over "A", larger multiple Crown/A, Unwatermarked, small multiple Crown/A, small multiple Crown/CofA).

Some are easy to exclude if the watermark is difficult to eyeball (e.g. Perf 11 is only a 1p carmine and Unwatermarked is only a 1p green or 1.1/2p carmine).

Then there is the tortuous color variations where I usually give up quickly ( e.g. #21 1p red, carmine rose, carmine, scarlet, rose red, and bright rose!!!) not to mention regular/rough papers...

There are also some interesting variations.

I found this Die 1a, with a little spur under the right edge of the left-side "1".

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Then there was this, which may be something called a tin shed variety (?) with blotches of white in the color on the face side and blotches of red on the gum side.

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Next was this, a Perf 13.1/2 multiple Crown/CoA with what appears to be an inverted watermark.

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And finally (so far) there were these. All Perf 14, single Crown/A, but very different colors, intensity and papers. #5 and 6 very poorly printed on paper that seemed to have a small grill pattern throughout, #7similar but not as worn out looking and more "regular" paper, and #8 very bright and brilliant on very nice paper.

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That's what I've found, but I'll have to leave it to our experts to comment with more insight than I can provide.

For your identifications I think they should be really easy (e.g. your #7) if you just check the watermarks.

Good luck! Looking forward to more expertise.

Dave.



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21 Feb 2017
04:47:51pm
re: Australia Kings Help identify

Here is the size that would help in identifying your stamps.

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Back

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At this size the single crown watermark can be seen.

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21 Feb 2017
08:36:49pm

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Single crown with and "A" underneath and a cross on top, looks like wmk 9

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22 Feb 2017
12:15:24am
re: Australia Kings Help identify

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"Single crown with and "A" underneath and a cross on top, looks like wmk 9 "



Not bad StampCollector, right on the pinhead, the size shown is to show Karen the size needed to help identify a selection of KGV definitive stamps she has.
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22 Feb 2017
07:46:16am

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My Australian collection its been pretty dormant, Karen woke me up so I went to see what I have, in all 4 Roos and 17 Kings, surprisingly most of these stamps (Roos & Kings) are very reasonably price, time to add to the zoo and royalty!

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kajones
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23 Feb 2017
09:19:29am
re: Australia Kings Help identify

Okay after looking at watermarks, this is what I came up with on my posting of my Kings
All using Scott numbers

#1 is #19 Wmk 9
#2 is #23 Wmk 9
#3 is #114 Wmk 228
#4 is 24b Wmk 9
#5 is 27a Wmk 9
#6 is 60 Wmk 11
#7 is 66 Wmk 203
#8 is 25 Wmk9
#9 is 24 Wmk 9
#10 is 115 Wmk 228
#11 is 65 No wmk
#12 is 71a Die 1 Wmk 203
#13 is 27a Wmk 9
#14 is 117 Wmk 228
#15 is 73 No wmk
#16 is 120 Wmk 228

Does anyone see any immediate errors on the identity?

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