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23 Dec 2016
07:59:24am
Any help with these is appreciated!

(....hello? Jan-Simon? You out there? Winking )


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23 Dec 2016
08:27:08am

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I am here!

These are so called "spaarbankzegels" (saving bank stamps) a form of fiscal/revenue stamps. They were part of a scheme where one buys these stamps, puts them in a booklet and when the booklet is full, you hand it in at the band and the amount that you have saved is added to your saving's account. It was mainly used for school saving programs.

No idea where the bottom stamp comes from and what it was used for.

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23 Dec 2016
08:28:25am

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P.S. the saving bank stamps obviously were issued by the local Paramaribo office of the Hollandsche Bank Unie, a bank that is now part of the ABN Amro bank group.

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23 Dec 2016
08:40:14am
re: Unknowns

Thanks Jan-Simon!

I was pretty sure you would have some info on those....!


Now to get an I.D. on the bottom one!




By the way -

anyone know if there is a book/catalog that might list things like the bank savings stamps??






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23 Dec 2016
08:58:01am

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My pleasure!

The writing on the bottom stamp is just a bit too small to decipher. Can you make a larger scan?

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Revstampman

24 Dec 2016
07:39:07am
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The writing on the bottom stamp appears to be in Greek.

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24 Dec 2016
08:41:52am
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I'll see if I can make it bigger.....


...appears to be a wide rouletted perf type, which would make me wonder if its some sort of a charity label;

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This looks a little clearer....






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24 Dec 2016
09:54:23am

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This is a bit of a long shot but it looks like faux-Ukrainian from a club for Ukrainian immigrants in Toronto.

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24 Dec 2016
04:21:11pm

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yes, cyrillic, not Greek

and I read something about Ukraine too, but my use of the Cyrillic alphabet is severely limited

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24 Dec 2016
06:27:11pm
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Ukrainian Cyrillic has variations from Russian, and this is written in script rather than print, which makes it even harder. But I see "institute" on the bottom line above "Toronto". Jan-Simon's guess is the one to go with for now.

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25 Dec 2016
04:33:24am

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it looks like a mix of things: Russian, Ukrainian and even western Roman script. Maybe this was made by someone who could write cyrillic but not on a high level. It seems to say something like Ukrainian war history institute, Toronto. The years at the top would make it the Russian civil war of the early 1020s.

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25 Dec 2016
06:17:30am
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As Guthrum pointed out this is written in a script/cursive font and as a result many letters look different to standard printed Cyrillic.

In particular, the letters which look like our g,n & m are actually the same as our d,p & t.

I believe the first part of the word at the top is "November" so I guess this relates to the final Ukrainian campaign in November 1921 when two UNR forces raided behind Soviet lines in Ukraine. One was defeated by Soviet cavalry and the prisoners executed. The other retreated back in to Poland by the end of November.

This is the period of the unissued Ukrainian pictorial set of 14 values when the UNR no longer controlled Ukrainian territory and its surviving forces had withdrawn into Poland.

On a much more cheerful note, I'd like to wish all our members a very Happy Christmas!HappyHappyHappy




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APS #213005
23 Dec 2016
07:59:24am

Any help with these is appreciated!

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Jansimon

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23 Dec 2016
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re: Unknowns

I am here!

These are so called "spaarbankzegels" (saving bank stamps) a form of fiscal/revenue stamps. They were part of a scheme where one buys these stamps, puts them in a booklet and when the booklet is full, you hand it in at the band and the amount that you have saved is added to your saving's account. It was mainly used for school saving programs.

No idea where the bottom stamp comes from and what it was used for.

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Jansimon

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23 Dec 2016
08:28:25am

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P.S. the saving bank stamps obviously were issued by the local Paramaribo office of the Hollandsche Bank Unie, a bank that is now part of the ABN Amro bank group.

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APS #213005
23 Dec 2016
08:40:14am

re: Unknowns

Thanks Jan-Simon!

I was pretty sure you would have some info on those....!


Now to get an I.D. on the bottom one!




By the way -

anyone know if there is a book/catalog that might list things like the bank savings stamps??






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Jansimon

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23 Dec 2016
08:58:01am

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My pleasure!

The writing on the bottom stamp is just a bit too small to decipher. Can you make a larger scan?

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Revstampman

24 Dec 2016
07:39:07am

re: Unknowns

The writing on the bottom stamp appears to be in Greek.

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musicman

APS #213005
24 Dec 2016
08:41:52am

re: Unknowns

I'll see if I can make it bigger.....


...appears to be a wide rouletted perf type, which would make me wonder if its some sort of a charity label;

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This looks a little clearer....






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Jansimon

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24 Dec 2016
09:54:23am

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re: Unknowns

This is a bit of a long shot but it looks like faux-Ukrainian from a club for Ukrainian immigrants in Toronto.

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24 Dec 2016
04:21:11pm

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yes, cyrillic, not Greek

and I read something about Ukraine too, but my use of the Cyrillic alphabet is severely limited

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"Save the USPS, buy stamps; save the hobby, use commemoratives"

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Guthrum

24 Dec 2016
06:27:11pm

re: Unknowns

Ukrainian Cyrillic has variations from Russian, and this is written in script rather than print, which makes it even harder. But I see "institute" on the bottom line above "Toronto". Jan-Simon's guess is the one to go with for now.

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Jansimon

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25 Dec 2016
04:33:24am

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re: Unknowns

it looks like a mix of things: Russian, Ukrainian and even western Roman script. Maybe this was made by someone who could write cyrillic but not on a high level. It seems to say something like Ukrainian war history institute, Toronto. The years at the top would make it the Russian civil war of the early 1020s.

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nigelc

25 Dec 2016
06:17:30am

re: Unknowns

As Guthrum pointed out this is written in a script/cursive font and as a result many letters look different to standard printed Cyrillic.

In particular, the letters which look like our g,n & m are actually the same as our d,p & t.

I believe the first part of the word at the top is "November" so I guess this relates to the final Ukrainian campaign in November 1921 when two UNR forces raided behind Soviet lines in Ukraine. One was defeated by Soviet cavalry and the prisoners executed. The other retreated back in to Poland by the end of November.

This is the period of the unissued Ukrainian pictorial set of 14 values when the UNR no longer controlled Ukrainian territory and its surviving forces had withdrawn into Poland.

On a much more cheerful note, I'd like to wish all our members a very Happy Christmas!HappyHappyHappy




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