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These are so called "spaarbankzegels" (saving bank stamps) a form of fiscal/revenue stamps. They were part of a scheme where one buys these stamps, puts them in a booklet and when the booklet is full, you hand it in at the band and the amount that you have saved is added to your saving's account. It was mainly used for school saving programs.
No idea where the bottom stamp comes from and what it was used for.
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P.S. the saving bank stamps obviously were issued by the local Paramaribo office of the Hollandsche Bank Unie, a bank that is now part of the ABN Amro bank group.
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I was pretty sure you would have some info on those....!
Now to get an I.D. on the bottom one!
By the way -
anyone know if there is a book/catalog that might list things like the bank savings stamps??
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The writing on the bottom stamp is just a bit too small to decipher. Can you make a larger scan?
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The writing on the bottom stamp appears to be in Greek.
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I'll see if I can make it bigger.....
...appears to be a wide rouletted perf type, which would make me wonder if its some sort of a charity label;
This looks a little clearer....
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This is a bit of a long shot but it looks like faux-Ukrainian from a club for Ukrainian immigrants in Toronto.
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yes, cyrillic, not Greek
and I read something about Ukraine too, but my use of the Cyrillic alphabet is severely limited
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Ukrainian Cyrillic has variations from Russian, and this is written in script rather than print, which makes it even harder. But I see "institute" on the bottom line above "Toronto". Jan-Simon's guess is the one to go with for now.
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it looks like a mix of things: Russian, Ukrainian and even western Roman script. Maybe this was made by someone who could write cyrillic but not on a high level. It seems to say something like Ukrainian war history institute, Toronto. The years at the top would make it the Russian civil war of the early 1020s.
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As Guthrum pointed out this is written in a script/cursive font and as a result many letters look different to standard printed Cyrillic.
In particular, the letters which look like our g,n & m are actually the same as our d,p & t.
I believe the first part of the word at the top is "November" so I guess this relates to the final Ukrainian campaign in November 1921 when two UNR forces raided behind Soviet lines in Ukraine. One was defeated by Soviet cavalry and the prisoners executed. The other retreated back in to Poland by the end of November.
This is the period of the unissued Ukrainian pictorial set of 14 values when the UNR no longer controlled Ukrainian territory and its surviving forces had withdrawn into Poland.
On a much more cheerful note, I'd like to wish all our members a very Happy Christmas!
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Any help with these is appreciated!
(....hello? Jan-Simon? You out there? )
Thanks Y'all!
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These are so called "spaarbankzegels" (saving bank stamps) a form of fiscal/revenue stamps. They were part of a scheme where one buys these stamps, puts them in a booklet and when the booklet is full, you hand it in at the band and the amount that you have saved is added to your saving's account. It was mainly used for school saving programs.
No idea where the bottom stamp comes from and what it was used for.
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P.S. the saving bank stamps obviously were issued by the local Paramaribo office of the Hollandsche Bank Unie, a bank that is now part of the ABN Amro bank group.
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Thanks Jan-Simon!
I was pretty sure you would have some info on those....!
Now to get an I.D. on the bottom one!
By the way -
anyone know if there is a book/catalog that might list things like the bank savings stamps??
Randy
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My pleasure!
The writing on the bottom stamp is just a bit too small to decipher. Can you make a larger scan?
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The writing on the bottom stamp appears to be in Greek.
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I'll see if I can make it bigger.....
...appears to be a wide rouletted perf type, which would make me wonder if its some sort of a charity label;
This looks a little clearer....
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This is a bit of a long shot but it looks like faux-Ukrainian from a club for Ukrainian immigrants in Toronto.
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yes, cyrillic, not Greek
and I read something about Ukraine too, but my use of the Cyrillic alphabet is severely limited
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Ukrainian Cyrillic has variations from Russian, and this is written in script rather than print, which makes it even harder. But I see "institute" on the bottom line above "Toronto". Jan-Simon's guess is the one to go with for now.
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it looks like a mix of things: Russian, Ukrainian and even western Roman script. Maybe this was made by someone who could write cyrillic but not on a high level. It seems to say something like Ukrainian war history institute, Toronto. The years at the top would make it the Russian civil war of the early 1020s.
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re: Unknowns
As Guthrum pointed out this is written in a script/cursive font and as a result many letters look different to standard printed Cyrillic.
In particular, the letters which look like our g,n & m are actually the same as our d,p & t.
I believe the first part of the word at the top is "November" so I guess this relates to the final Ukrainian campaign in November 1921 when two UNR forces raided behind Soviet lines in Ukraine. One was defeated by Soviet cavalry and the prisoners executed. The other retreated back in to Poland by the end of November.
This is the period of the unissued Ukrainian pictorial set of 14 values when the UNR no longer controlled Ukrainian territory and its surviving forces had withdrawn into Poland.
On a much more cheerful note, I'd like to wish all our members a very Happy Christmas!
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