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I have just joined so I hope you don't think I'm being cheeky by asking for your valuable opinions on the countries-of-origin of 23 cinderellas. Although a conventional stamp collector, I like to save the non-postals to a separate album but have been defeated by these over the years. I would be most grateful for any insight that you can provide. I can scan individuals larger if need be.
Here are my thoughts :-
1.Spain I think, judging from "CORREOS", though I don't
know what was happening in Spain in 1941
2.Looks German.
3.Text is German (I think) but a currency of "Rp"?
4.US? That cross is usually for anti-TB stamps.
5.I feel Belgian but I don't know why.
6. & 7. Argentina?
8.I'm guessing Italy because of the language.
9.I think Chinese.
10.I've tried but I can't make a word out of that cut-off text at the bottom.
11.Norway? But why "By Post"?
12.I'd say Turkey but it doesn't have that characteristic Turkish device on it
that I can't remeber the name of
13.& 14.Pretty sure these are Spanish.
15.Denmark I think.
16.Postmark & currecy look Polish but the design doesn't.
17.Somewhere Balkan but I can't get closer
18.Norwegian again?
19.& 20.UK judging by the currency.
21.Crete?
22.I didn't know the Brits had occupied Russia!!
23.Switzerland?
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Mike
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3 = probably a Swiss label. Rp = rappen.
6/7 = St Thomas (Danish West Indies) to La Guiara (Venezuela) steam ship private stamps from 1864. Heavily forged.
9 = Chefoo Chinese treaty port. Stamp from 1893. City is now called Yantai.
11 = Trondheim local mail. By means city in Norwegian.
17 = Ukraine
18 = Swedish season 's greetings label. Somehow commemorates the 300th anniversary of the death of king Gustav II Adolf.
22 = Batum in Georgia. Formerly Turkish, ceded to Soviet Union after WW1 and temporarily occupied by British forces.
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Many thanks Jansimon. One or two of those prompted a "Of course!!".
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1 Spain Velasquez. painting 1941 overprint
3. is Swiss PRO JUVENTUTE 1912 approximately
5. Spinhayer Parcel Train Stamp , Belgium from Messageries J. Spinhayer & Cie circa 1920-21. The double star punch is typical often at the edge.
8 Italy advertising label attached to 1924 Victor Emmanuel - no real value on its own
13-14 Lugo, Spain during the civil war charity 1936
17 First Ukraine National Republic Stamp 1917-21
19 War Seal - disabled service 1914-1915. New Zealand Cinderella stamp.
20 Serbian charity stamps 1914-18 GB Cinderella
21 Crete forgery
22 definite Batum forgery
I will let others try - I can identify the rest
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15 is a Danish label promoting the coastl town of Esbjerg and the island of Fano off its coast. No idea of its time frame
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here's more of the set for 13/14: http://stampwants-stamps.bidstart.com/Spain-Civil-War-Lugo-Pro-Combatientes-4v-/41149172/a.html
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How do you people do that ? I can barely ID my own stamps never mind anybody elses!
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Not every item in your image is a Cinderella.
17 is Ukraine Scott #5
21 is Crete Scott #5, but is probably counterfeit
22 is Batum Scott #63, but the overprint is probably counterfeit
12 looks familiar to me, but I can't place it at the moment
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"12 looks familiar to me, but I can't place it at the moment
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Turkey ?
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Not sure what has been IDed already, but it appears the following IDs are missing:
#2 Austrian Empire 15 fl revenue stamp of 1870, reference Forbin
#4 TB seal, but not sure of country, reference Green
#10 Ceylon telegraph stamp (you have the top half), reference Hiscocks
#12 Turkey (as correctly suggested by Ningpo) poster/newspaper revenue stamp, 1875, reference Forbin
#15 Denmark cinderella, appears to be poster stamp for tourism to visit Esbjerg and Fano Island
(David had already IDed the Danish stamp and I missed his post, sorry)
#16 Poland Local Post, issued by the Citizen's Committee, 1916 surcharges of the 1915-1916 issue, reference Hurt & Williams' Handbook of the Private Local Posts
#23 "cinderella" or private revenue stamp from W. Schimmelpfeng (private company); I'm not sure of the exact purpose of this particular stamp, but typically they issued stamps as receipts for payments of items such as copyright royalties, fees...; interestingly, the perfin is also WS, and I'm not sure why they would bother to put a perfin on their own stamps
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Very many thanks for all your valuable responses folks. That just leaves nos. 4 & 20.
I can't help thinking US for number 4. Were anti-TB stamps ever issued there?
No 20 is for Serbia, but the currency implies that it was issued in a sterling country, e.g. UK, Australia, NZ etc.
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on 20, it is British for Serbia (if it weren't for Serbia, we wouldn't have had that wonderful war). Here's a description of it: the Serbian Relief Fund stamp, which shows an image of a desolate Serbian soldier, below which is the text 'Begs Aid For Our Brave Ally', and the price of one penny. The Patroness of the Serbian Relief Fund was Britain’s own Queen Mary, its President the Lord Bishop of London, and Vice-Presidents included the Lord Bishop of Oxford, H.H. Asquith, W.S. Churchill, and Lloyd George. The work of the Fund included the establishment of a number of hospital units in Serbia, including some mobile ones, as well as sending nurses and medical supplies and stores, helping also the work of the Red Cross. from http://www.europeana1914-1918.eu/en/contributions/20137
I couldn't find 4 in Green's foreign TB seals. I looked in English-language countries: South Africa, Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Rhodesia. could be another that I didn't consider. It's not a US National TB seal, but could be a local. But the Cross of Lorraine definitely makes it anti-TB, and I'm thinking 30s or 40s.
Email a scan of #4 only (enlarged) and I'll look further.
David
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On #4, based on the wording "health", "happiness", and "work", I was thinking something like New Zealand or Australia TB seal. But I was not able to identify it.
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Thanks David, who would have a thought an alsatian could know so much!!
Here's a larger scan. I don't think it's going to add much though.
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Did a quick Google image search;
didn't come up with anything.
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07:02:37am
Hi Guys,
I have just joined so I hope you don't think I'm being cheeky by asking for your valuable opinions on the countries-of-origin of 23 cinderellas. Although a conventional stamp collector, I like to save the non-postals to a separate album but have been defeated by these over the years. I would be most grateful for any insight that you can provide. I can scan individuals larger if need be.
Here are my thoughts :-
1.Spain I think, judging from "CORREOS", though I don't
know what was happening in Spain in 1941
2.Looks German.
3.Text is German (I think) but a currency of "Rp"?
4.US? That cross is usually for anti-TB stamps.
5.I feel Belgian but I don't know why.
6. & 7. Argentina?
8.I'm guessing Italy because of the language.
9.I think Chinese.
10.I've tried but I can't make a word out of that cut-off text at the bottom.
11.Norway? But why "By Post"?
12.I'd say Turkey but it doesn't have that characteristic Turkish device on it
that I can't remeber the name of
13.& 14.Pretty sure these are Spanish.
15.Denmark I think.
16.Postmark & currecy look Polish but the design doesn't.
17.Somewhere Balkan but I can't get closer
18.Norwegian again?
19.& 20.UK judging by the currency.
21.Crete?
22.I didn't know the Brits had occupied Russia!!
23.Switzerland?
Thanks,
Mike
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3 = probably a Swiss label. Rp = rappen.
6/7 = St Thomas (Danish West Indies) to La Guiara (Venezuela) steam ship private stamps from 1864. Heavily forged.
9 = Chefoo Chinese treaty port. Stamp from 1893. City is now called Yantai.
11 = Trondheim local mail. By means city in Norwegian.
17 = Ukraine
18 = Swedish season 's greetings label. Somehow commemorates the 300th anniversary of the death of king Gustav II Adolf.
22 = Batum in Georgia. Formerly Turkish, ceded to Soviet Union after WW1 and temporarily occupied by British forces.
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Many thanks Jansimon. One or two of those prompted a "Of course!!".
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08:01:01am
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1 Spain Velasquez. painting 1941 overprint
3. is Swiss PRO JUVENTUTE 1912 approximately
5. Spinhayer Parcel Train Stamp , Belgium from Messageries J. Spinhayer & Cie circa 1920-21. The double star punch is typical often at the edge.
8 Italy advertising label attached to 1924 Victor Emmanuel - no real value on its own
13-14 Lugo, Spain during the civil war charity 1936
17 First Ukraine National Republic Stamp 1917-21
19 War Seal - disabled service 1914-1915. New Zealand Cinderella stamp.
20 Serbian charity stamps 1914-18 GB Cinderella
21 Crete forgery
22 definite Batum forgery
I will let others try - I can identify the rest
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15 is a Danish label promoting the coastl town of Esbjerg and the island of Fano off its coast. No idea of its time frame
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here's more of the set for 13/14: http://stampwants-stamps.bidstart.com/Spain-Civil-War-Lugo-Pro-Combatientes-4v-/41149172/a.html
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How do you people do that ? I can barely ID my own stamps never mind anybody elses!
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Not every item in your image is a Cinderella.
17 is Ukraine Scott #5
21 is Crete Scott #5, but is probably counterfeit
22 is Batum Scott #63, but the overprint is probably counterfeit
12 looks familiar to me, but I can't place it at the moment
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"12 looks familiar to me, but I can't place it at the moment
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Turkey ?
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Not sure what has been IDed already, but it appears the following IDs are missing:
#2 Austrian Empire 15 fl revenue stamp of 1870, reference Forbin
#4 TB seal, but not sure of country, reference Green
#10 Ceylon telegraph stamp (you have the top half), reference Hiscocks
#12 Turkey (as correctly suggested by Ningpo) poster/newspaper revenue stamp, 1875, reference Forbin
#15 Denmark cinderella, appears to be poster stamp for tourism to visit Esbjerg and Fano Island
(David had already IDed the Danish stamp and I missed his post, sorry)
#16 Poland Local Post, issued by the Citizen's Committee, 1916 surcharges of the 1915-1916 issue, reference Hurt & Williams' Handbook of the Private Local Posts
#23 "cinderella" or private revenue stamp from W. Schimmelpfeng (private company); I'm not sure of the exact purpose of this particular stamp, but typically they issued stamps as receipts for payments of items such as copyright royalties, fees...; interestingly, the perfin is also WS, and I'm not sure why they would bother to put a perfin on their own stamps
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Very many thanks for all your valuable responses folks. That just leaves nos. 4 & 20.
I can't help thinking US for number 4. Were anti-TB stamps ever issued there?
No 20 is for Serbia, but the currency implies that it was issued in a sterling country, e.g. UK, Australia, NZ etc.
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on 20, it is British for Serbia (if it weren't for Serbia, we wouldn't have had that wonderful war). Here's a description of it: the Serbian Relief Fund stamp, which shows an image of a desolate Serbian soldier, below which is the text 'Begs Aid For Our Brave Ally', and the price of one penny. The Patroness of the Serbian Relief Fund was Britain’s own Queen Mary, its President the Lord Bishop of London, and Vice-Presidents included the Lord Bishop of Oxford, H.H. Asquith, W.S. Churchill, and Lloyd George. The work of the Fund included the establishment of a number of hospital units in Serbia, including some mobile ones, as well as sending nurses and medical supplies and stores, helping also the work of the Red Cross. from http://www.europeana1914-1918.eu/en/contributions/20137
I couldn't find 4 in Green's foreign TB seals. I looked in English-language countries: South Africa, Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Rhodesia. could be another that I didn't consider. It's not a US National TB seal, but could be a local. But the Cross of Lorraine definitely makes it anti-TB, and I'm thinking 30s or 40s.
Email a scan of #4 only (enlarged) and I'll look further.
David
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On #4, based on the wording "health", "happiness", and "work", I was thinking something like New Zealand or Australia TB seal. But I was not able to identify it.
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Thanks David, who would have a thought an alsatian could know so much!!
Here's a larger scan. I don't think it's going to add much though.
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Did a quick Google image search;
didn't come up with anything.
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