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Jansimon
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07 Jul 2016
03:05:29pm

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I really admire those who can distinguish red, deep red, carmine, rose red, aniline etc. And do not forget the watermarks wide crown over A, narrow crown over A and those can be sideways or upside down...

I have been trying with a bunch of those and I can manage most of the watermarks but plates, dies and colour varieties: I do not have the talent (or patience) for it. Does someone have a beginner's guide?
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Ningpo
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07 Jul 2016
04:07:33pm
re: KGV heads... trying to distinguish all types

Comments from elsewhere suggest this is very difficult and (at the time of posting) there was no 'guide for beginners'

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"Shading 1d reds is difficult- after several years I'm just beginning to get the hang of it.
Probably the best reference is "The Redhead" by Colin Beech & with the aid of a UV lamp: the Eastick UV was designed specifically for this purpose (although it is not cheap). I believe you also need a supply of dated copies to get started. "



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"The whole area is very subjective and contentious.

Lots of info here:"



Shades of the KGV 1d Red

Somewhere to start I suppose.

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Rob1956
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07 Jul 2016
06:41:11pm
re: KGV heads... trying to distinguish all types

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"I really admire those who can distinguish red, deep red, carmine, rose red, aniline etc. And do not forget the watermarks wide crown over A, narrow crown over A and those can be sideways or upside down...

I have been trying with a bunch of those and I can manage most of the watermarks but plates, dies and colour varieties: I do not have the talent (or patience) for it. Does someone have a beginner's guide?"


To distinguish the reds with the King George V heads can be quite a headache, as I am partially colour blind it would be a nightmare for me.

I do not believe there is a beginner's guide, as there are too many proofs, varieties, types of reds, blues, orange etc. The only book I know that has taken the challenge and it provides much in detail is the Brusden-White (Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue) of King George V.

The recent publication (2014) is very pricey, selling for AUS$125; and to get an earlier copy (3rd edition) published in 2007 will set one back about AUS$40.

The recent book has 464 pages, the 9 year old book has 402 pages.
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smauggie
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08 Jul 2016
07:55:02am
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I have access to the ACSC for KGV and it is still challenging. There is one at my local philatelic library. It is really a tremendous book, but they really need a glossary to define all the terms they use. What does Electro mean?

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langtounlad
08 Jul 2016
06:35:04pm
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smauggie

As the title says, it is a specialists catalogue - I doubt if the specialist needs a glossary of terms.
Electro means that it is manufactured by the the electrotyping process - Google that and find a new world of jargon - er - sorry, technical terms.

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Rob1956
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09 Jul 2016
07:45:35am
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Here are a few Red varieties in my collection.

1d Carmine Aniline and a 1918 Pale Carmine-Pink (Cooke Printing)

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1d Carmine, printed on smooth paper with CA monogram. Bottom left corner strip of 3

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1d engraved in very Pale Carmine. Block of 12 showing Plate No. 1 imprint at top of sheet.

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1d on smooth paper, very pale Terra Cotta shade verging on dry inking (rare)

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malcolm197
21 Jul 2016
08:22:23pm
re: KGV heads... trying to distinguish all types

Stampboards has a wiki section which includes more info.on KG5 sidefaces than you can ever want to know - including a plate by plate list of known plate faults.

As you know the problems with scanner settings mean that using internet examples for comparisons is doomed to failure. You need to have access to actual positively identified examples "in the flesh" so to speak. It is possible in theory I suppose, to identify some stamps by comparing the colour to an identifiable flawed stamp which only appears on a particular plate that only exists in one shade.

....and good luck with that one !!

Malcolm

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Rob1956
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21 Jul 2016
09:30:48pm
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"As you know the problems with scanner settings mean that using internet examples for comparisons is doomed to failure."


What internet examples are you referring to Malcolm?
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Jansimon
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22 Jul 2016
01:32:35am

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I think he means that showing a picture of a certain shade of red on a webpage is nice but will not really help you identify one because the way it shows on your computer or tablet screen depends on scanner and screen settings and can be different for everyone.
If I misunderstood, please correct me Malcolm!

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smauggie
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22 Jul 2016
08:34:58am
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Lovely stamps Rob. I have always had a hard time understanding what to look for to detect a stamp printed with aniline ink.

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Rob1956
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22 Jul 2016
03:28:10pm
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"Lovely stamps Rob. I have always had a hard time understanding what to look for to detect a stamp printed with aniline ink."


Thanks smauggie, I find the aniline printings of KGVI much easier to detect than those of KGV, I had the Carmine-Aniline verified by an expert stamp dealer who specialises in pre-decimal Australian.
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Rob1956
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22 Jul 2016
03:35:32pm
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"I think he means that showing a picture of a certain shade of red on a webpage is nice but will not really help you identify one because the way it shows on your computer or tablet screen depends on scanner and screen settings and can be different for everyone.
If I misunderstood, please correct me Malcolm!"


If that is what Malcolm meant I wouldn't disagree with that, it could also be interpreted that it means that my display was gleaned from the internet which is untrue as all the stamps I display are part of my personal collection.

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22 Jul 2016
05:38:14pm
re: KGV heads... trying to distinguish all types

SOME HELPFUL LINKS ,,,

http://australianstrampcatalogue.com/King-George-V.php

http://www.steveirwinstamps.co.uk/australian-commonwealth-specialists-catalogue-brusden-white-king-george-v-2014-42982-p.asp

A METHOD OF COMPARISON ... image your stamps with known colour ref... then use colorpix to find shade colour/code with mouse pointer

colorpix.com

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malcolm197
24 Jul 2016
06:05:36pm
re: KGV heads... trying to distinguish all types

Jansimon

That is exactly what I meant.

Rob

I wouldn't cast aspersions on the genuineness of your scans - and I am sorry if you thought that is what I meant.

It is merely that in order to identify the shade you have to compare it "in the same place at the same time" with a positively identified stamp. You can't compare your stamp "in the flesh" with a picture on the internet ( or a photograph even.)

I hope that clears up what I meant as opposed to what you think I said !

Malcolm

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Rob1956
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25 Jul 2016
03:27:35am
re: KGV heads... trying to distinguish all types

Hi Malcolm

I understand now what you were referring to.

Rob

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