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General Philatelic/Identify This? : 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

 

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jjhartwell

24 Apr 2016
12:04:59pm
These two stamps appear to be the normal Scott N20 & N21 issues for the post-WWI Italian Occupation of Austrian territory. The overprint, however, is reversed (not inverted) "Giulia/Venezia" instead of "Venezia/Giulia." Scott has no mention of them.
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I am particularly curious about these, as both were cancelled apparently at the same place and time (8.XII.18), yet both have full, unused gum. Perhaps a deliberate philatelic "pseudo-error?" Does anyone know of any reference to these in the literature? Any premium value?
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Mike

24 Apr 2016
09:45:19pm
re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

OK John, I know my eyes are bad, but these o/p's look the same to me, unless I'm dyslexic when I look at the right stamp, but not the left.

BTW, Welcome to SRO.

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michael78651

24 Apr 2016
10:23:34pm
re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

It's the over/under of the overprint that he is questioning.

The normal overprint is:

Venetia
Giulia


On his stamps the overprint is:

Giulia
Venetia

I looked in Michel and was unable to find anything about this, but I'm not sure I have looked at all the possible places.

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25 Apr 2016
05:05:41am
re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

In Michel it says "numerous errors on overprint is known". Could be something like that?

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25 Apr 2016
08:52:48am
re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

You'd have to check Sassone -- sorry, I don't have one.

That being said, the overprints (and the both stamps, in general) look suspect.

All the "normal" overprints I've seen are much sharper. The overprint at the right looks like it is at an angle. Definitely not an expert on cancels, but the cancel looks, well, weird. I've seen the thin outer ring combined with the thick inner ring/bar, but never seen the thin outer ring so incredibly sharp. But I certainly don't claim to have seen all the different cancel varieties for Austria.

Now what makes the reversed order overprint even more odd is that the few examples I've seen are all on canceled stamps with -- you guessed it, Görz cancels of the same type.

Given that both your cancels are the exact same date, I find it odd that the Görz block lettering in your cancels differ, yet the date lettering is the same.

I would suggest taking a genuine overprint and compare the spacing of each letter (i.e., see if the points of the V, i, l... line up properly), not just compare the total width of each overprint line.

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26 Apr 2016
12:06:20am
re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

Perhaps it is an example of the very rare
"Leaning Overprint of Trieste."

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Mike

26 Apr 2016
08:23:48am
re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

Well, I feel better knowing it was just my pea-brain, not just my bad eyesight. Another observation,

"The overprint, however, is reversed (not inverted)"

, maybe the overprint is introverted.

Alright, I can hear it now, I think it's nap time.

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jjhartwell

24 Apr 2016
12:04:59pm

These two stamps appear to be the normal Scott N20 & N21 issues for the post-WWI Italian Occupation of Austrian territory. The overprint, however, is reversed (not inverted) "Giulia/Venezia" instead of "Venezia/Giulia." Scott has no mention of them.
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I am particularly curious about these, as both were cancelled apparently at the same place and time (8.XII.18), yet both have full, unused gum. Perhaps a deliberate philatelic "pseudo-error?" Does anyone know of any reference to these in the literature? Any premium value?
Thanks

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24 Apr 2016
09:45:19pm

re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

OK John, I know my eyes are bad, but these o/p's look the same to me, unless I'm dyslexic when I look at the right stamp, but not the left.

BTW, Welcome to SRO.

Ekim

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michael78651

24 Apr 2016
10:23:34pm

re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

It's the over/under of the overprint that he is questioning.

The normal overprint is:

Venetia
Giulia


On his stamps the overprint is:

Giulia
Venetia

I looked in Michel and was unable to find anything about this, but I'm not sure I have looked at all the possible places.

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Tobbe656

25 Apr 2016
05:05:41am

re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

In Michel it says "numerous errors on overprint is known". Could be something like that?

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khj

25 Apr 2016
08:52:48am

re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

You'd have to check Sassone -- sorry, I don't have one.

That being said, the overprints (and the both stamps, in general) look suspect.

All the "normal" overprints I've seen are much sharper. The overprint at the right looks like it is at an angle. Definitely not an expert on cancels, but the cancel looks, well, weird. I've seen the thin outer ring combined with the thick inner ring/bar, but never seen the thin outer ring so incredibly sharp. But I certainly don't claim to have seen all the different cancel varieties for Austria.

Now what makes the reversed order overprint even more odd is that the few examples I've seen are all on canceled stamps with -- you guessed it, Görz cancels of the same type.

Given that both your cancels are the exact same date, I find it odd that the Görz block lettering in your cancels differ, yet the date lettering is the same.

I would suggest taking a genuine overprint and compare the spacing of each letter (i.e., see if the points of the V, i, l... line up properly), not just compare the total width of each overprint line.

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26 Apr 2016
12:06:20am

re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

Perhaps it is an example of the very rare
"Leaning Overprint of Trieste."

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Mike
26 Apr 2016
08:23:48am

re: 1918 Venetia Giulia reversed overprint error

Well, I feel better knowing it was just my pea-brain, not just my bad eyesight. Another observation,

"The overprint, however, is reversed (not inverted)"

, maybe the overprint is introverted.

Alright, I can hear it now, I think it's nap time.

Mike

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