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Soundcrest
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21 Feb 2016
05:49:52am

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This question is the result of another discussion going on about the annoyance of having to redo an approval book due to non payment of items. I had originally thought that while annoying maybe it would not be as difficult as I thought. I thought it was possible to add stamps back by going to a book, deleting a page, re scanning the page and putting it back up . It does not seem to work that way. When I go to a book, some pages have delete the page at the bottom others do not. It seems that if the page has all unsold items on it, you can do the delete. If all or any have been sold you cannot. Am I doing something wrong or was this done intentionally. I think the ability to delete the page should appear on every page.

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21 Feb 2016
10:35:59am
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Maybe that is to prevent deleting a page after an item has sold. There would be no way for the buyer to look and see what they bought if the page disappeared. Just guessing.

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21 Feb 2016
11:27:00am

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That is logical and I guess people could do that accidentally, though what I and others would be looking to do would be to put back stamps that we "thought" were sold but never paid for. If it is one or two its really no big deal. If though they bought 1/4 of the book and it was still an active book, it means doing it all over again AND maybe not having enough to satisfy the book requirement. There is also a problem in taking down a book before people get to check their stamps against the book though I would think that no one would be looking to do the re-adding to a book until at least 60 days had gone by.

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sheepshanks
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21 Feb 2016
01:15:42pm
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The buyer could always right click and save an image copy to their computer to verify that they are receiving the stamps they bought. I do this for all purchases off of various sites.
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21 Feb 2016
03:11:24pm
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Wow - can you imagine doing that for multiple lots? I had a buyer purchase 800 lots! That's a ton of printer paper and ink.

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21 Feb 2016
06:02:38pm

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I agree with Greg that is would be great to be able to re-activate stamps that were marked as Sold in a book - then if someone does not pay within an acceptable timeframe - just cancel the sale and re-activate the stamps in the existing book. Now I have a problem because I had a book with about 140 stamps. The one non payer selected 60 of the stamps and the book only had an additional 25 stamps left. If the sale is cancelled for non payment of the 60 stamps and I only have 25 stamps left - it is not enough to re-create the book - since I am short 15 stamps for 100 stamp rule. Steve

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sheepshanks
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21 Feb 2016
07:22:51pm
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Theresa, you don't print them, merely keep a copy of each page in a folder on your desktop.
If you want to go the whole hog then tag the images as to the stamps you purchased.

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Soundcrest
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21 Feb 2016
07:34:57pm

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re: Editing Approval Books

I think just putting a reactivate option for every space in a book similar to the de-activate (I think that is what is called when you create a page - I never use it) would be a great enhancement. Then we could point blank say within our selling terms that stamps not paid for in a specified amount of time will be put pack into the book and advertise that stamps were readded/added to existing approval books. It would make things quite easy but admittedly would not eliminate the problem of non payment. The same holds true for auctions. Ebay calls this second chance. We could decide that unpaid for auction lots would be offered to the second highest bidder, that would solve that portion of the unpaid for lots

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21 Feb 2016
07:46:58pm
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Greg, that won't apply to the approval books, though.

Regarding the auctions, I'm not so sure that we have enough lots with more than one bid to make "Second Chance" worth the time to program, if we were to do that.

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Soundcrest
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21 Feb 2016
08:00:02pm

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re: Editing Approval Books

Michael what I mean is that if the stamps could be reactivated then it would be easy to re-ad the stamps. As I and Steve have said, to take down a book and add the stamps, and put it back up is a lot of work AND in some cases this cannot be done and stay within the guidelines of the approval book numbers. It is also unfair to the buyers who might have wanted to purchase the stamp and found it bought. However as a seller, one must weigh whether it is better to wait for the hopeful payment or to kill a book and redo it. Its all about time or lack of it. I have one book that has 63 items purchased in a range of 5 cents to 11.00. That represents 37% of a book that if put back would fall under the 100 mark if I was to redo the book. For now I will opt to not report the seller until a drop dead date of March 12th. It has already been determined that the excuse we are being given is bogus. I have sent him a total bill as he claims to be away from a pc. On March 5th I will inform him I expect complete payment prior to the 12th and if not received I will turn the matter over to you folks. Will mean a lot of work for me as his numerous invoices are spread over many books - exactly why I want to try to receive payment. The money, while somewhat substantial is secondary to the time necessary to rebuild these books

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21 Feb 2016
08:30:02pm
re: Editing Approval Books

So sorry about the mess that buyer created for you, Greg. I know how much work goes into making an approval book, so I can really sympathize.

This is a good reminder for all of us to definitely let the auctioneer or approval book manager know when a buyer does something like that. They can freeze their buying rights so that they can't do the same thing to other sellers. Most of us don't want to be the bad guy and complain about a fellow member, but that buyer sure made a mess of Greg's approval book and by speaking up we can protect each other.

A slightly similar problem - a small inconvenience compared to Greg's story - is the buyer who contacts you and says they clicked and bought the wrong 10c stamp and would you please deduct that and send the other stamp? I don't know about the rest of you, but if I make a mistake and click on the wrong 10c stamp, I just shrug my shoulders and say oh well I bought it now and then click on the one I really wanted rather than contact the seller. The seller can't reactivate the stamp, so it is now in limbo. I mean really, is it worth all of that hassle to save yourself a measly 10c? I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling this way, am I?

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ConnieB
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21 Feb 2016
09:51:41pm
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Sounds like a pain. I'm sorry to hear of this headache. I have a thought. Instead of reactivating how about adding a page with the same scan and reselling in that way. You could disable all individual stamp buttons you need to on all pages.? Just a thought. Of course this is a work around and a programming solution would be much slicker. Still it may work.

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22 Feb 2016
01:11:42am

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Like Greg, I will wait until the 12th of March as well in this particular case. This buyer has paid me late like this in the past but the excuses seem to get worse as time has gone on. I would have to see if I can add pages if I need to take back the stamps - but there were several different prices - so I would have several pages to add - it just makes a mess - so I hope the payment arrives - however there is nothing I can do from stopping this from happening again.

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rrraphy
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22 Feb 2016
12:49:14pm
re: Editing Approval Books

I will add the topic of reactivating stamps that buyers initially bought but did not pay, to the list of possible improvements to Approval Books that Tim has, and will deal with when the time comes. I will need to prioritize them eventually for him, but for now..keep it coming!

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" I have a thought. Instead of reactivating how about adding a page with the same scan and reselling in that way. You could disable all individual stamp buttons you need to on all pages.? Just a thought. Of course this is a work around and a programming solution would be much slicker. Still it may work."



Connie: This is a brilliant work around.

Write to the buyer at fault and inform him that his order is canceled, for non payment. You may seek help to block him in the future.
Go back to your books and transfer the sold stamps to a new page. You can also add stamps to a book, as it does not question the minimum 100 stamp requirement by counting what is left, it has already been met. So if you are afraid a new book will not reach 100, your old book is already approved.
If you want to redo a page, you can disable any left over stamps on it, and then transfer them to a new page, scan it and add it to your book. No you cannot remove a page with sold stamps on it. But you can make it virtually disappear, by having it show as sold out.

Now about transfering stamps to a new book. It is not difficult!

Here again, I will pitch the use of 3M 811 photo safe removable archival quality ISO Standard 18916 compatible tape.
It is ideal for the printed Approval Book pages (SOR provides with a large number of templates to print from).
Cut it in 1/4 inch wide strips, fold it 1/3-2/3 and use it as a hinge. It is TEMPORARY, so stop agonizing over its impact. It does not hurt your stamp. It leaves no mark. It is easy to move the stamps. It is modern technology, made to simplify your life, and you are selling nickel and dime stamps not high valued treasures (which should be protected in mounts).
Then moving stamps from one page to another takes a few seconds! I know that the purist will still object, so I do state in my books that I do so...but I am recommending you move on with technology, or go use paper hinges with glue as they did once and stop complaining!
The hang up is the name.."tape" which everyone remembers! but this is not the same stuff! It is 21st century technology. Amazon sells it, as does your office supply store.

Now for adding more pages to your book. One draw back. Lots of sales occur when you first issue a book, so you may not be noticed as having new material when you do the work around, unless you advertize it. You can use the Discussion Board to announce that you are doing a rework on your book, give an explanation, which will alert the collectors here. Also indicate so on your book title, for clarity sake.

And one more time to all :At Wits End MAKE YOUR BOOK TITLES MORE PRECISE!
rrr...

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