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General Philatelic/Identify This? : GREEN HALF PENNY

 

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rwillis29
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01 Oct 2015
04:03:21pm
ITS BEEN TRIMMED CLOSE MAY BE A GREAT BRITAIN POST CARD STAMP? RICHARDImage Not Found

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Bujutsu
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01 Oct 2015
04:46:48pm
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Definitely from a postal card and cut close.

Chimo

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nigelc
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01 Oct 2015
08:23:18pm
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This is die I of this design which as far as I can see wasn't used for post office post cards so will have been cut from a 1901 stamped to order post card.

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michael78651

01 Oct 2015
10:18:18pm
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Nigel, could you describe what a "stamped-to-order" postal card is?

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nigelc
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02 Oct 2015
05:45:10am
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Hello Michael,

Yes, certainly. In Britain "Stamped to Order" postal stationery consists of items where the paper or card for the stationery is stamped by the Post Office (i.e. has the postage stamp(s) printed) following specific regulations at the request of private persons or organisations.

The old Higgins and Gage catalogue calls this "Printed to Private Order" so I guess that is the standard term in the US.

The stamp dies that were used for this were often different from the ones used for Post Office issues and so can be identified even when the stamps have been cut out from the postal stationery.

This half-penny design used three very similar dies. These can be distinguished by the shape of the small triangles at the top (above "A" of "HALF" and the second "N" of "PENNY") and the presence or absence of a small dot corresponding to the top of additional partial circular ornaments above the "L" of "HALF" and the first "N" of "PENNY".

Die I (here) does not have the small dot and was used in brown for Post Office post cards in issues from 1878 to 1883. Dies II and III were used for similar cards with later brown stamps.

Die I was used again in blue-green in 1901 but only for Stamped to Order items.

I hope this helps.

I recommend Collect British Postal Stationery by Alan Huggins and Colin Baker as a very useful reference for British postal stationery.


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michael78651

02 Oct 2015
10:15:18am
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Thank you!

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TuskenRaider
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02 Oct 2015
12:03:12pm
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Hi Everyone;

@ rwillis29;

Thanks for showing that, I've never seen one before. Altho I don't collect foreign postal stationary,
I still find them fascinating to see in the collections of others.

It probably is not worth much as close trimmed, but still very worth giving it a place in your collection.
A nice piece of postal history.

Here is one of mine that I know nothing about and would welcome a guestimate of it's value, so I
can decide it I want to keep.

Image Not Found

My guess is a letter sheet. The text in upper left probably says: "bla bla bla folded as a letter"

I think I have three of them and know next to nothing about them.

@ nigelc;

I would like to know the issue date and period of use, and how they were to be sold and used.
Why have I never seen any of these before? Does anyone else have any similar or canceled ones?
Do you have any idea of it's value, I only have Scott's and on old Stanley Gibbons general
British Colonies 1979.

Thanks in advance and thank you rwillis29 for starting this fascinating and informative thread.

Just Wonderin'....
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nigelc
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02 Oct 2015
12:50:18pm
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Hi TuskenRaider.

This is cut from a newspaper wrapper. The design of the tall stamp was intended to make it it easier to be postmarked once it had been sealed around a folded newspaper.

This one is from 1883. The catalogue value for the complete wrapper is £3.00 (mint or used) but there's not much demand for British cut-outs.

A similar stamp was used on letter sheets as you suggest but the text at the top makes it clear that this is from a wrapper.

There were originally five lines of text on this wrapper warning that it should only be used for sending newspapers. The last sentence read, "If this rule be infringed, this packet will be charged as a letter."



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02 Oct 2015
03:28:03pm
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Wow Nigel, you are the resident expert on British postal stationary....
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jillcrow

02 Oct 2015
09:28:53pm
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You can see the wording here:

http://www.y-p-a.org.uk/Images_Middlesbrough/cover2A.jpg

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TuskenRaider
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03 Oct 2015
12:24:11am
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Hi Everyone;

@ jillcrow;

I just looked at your link, and thanks for providing that. Does the '946' in the striped oval
represent that post office? If it does then if I see a number cancel like that then it would
have been from Middlesbrough?

Also I was told by someone years ago that there was a chart of those number codes that
gave the village or towns that the piece was from. Is that correct? Just a world wide collector
and a bit of an Anglophile, and learning English postal history. Thank you in advance.

Just sortin'....
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Charlie2009
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03 Oct 2015
02:59:34am
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Yes 946 would represent that town.Collect British Postmarks,from Stanley Gibbons will give you an enormous amount of info on these.

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jillcrow

03 Oct 2015
04:31:59am
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You can work around this site to identify the British P.O. numbers:

http://www.gbps.org.uk/information/po-numbers/london.php

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03 Oct 2015
05:58:17am

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Thanks for the PO link! I have added it to my stamp info bookmarks

Greg

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03 Oct 2015
08:24:51am
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Excellent site, Jill - thank you for the link!








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rwillis29
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04 Oct 2015
12:20:48pm
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Thank You Everyone for the info.

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01 Oct 2015
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Bujutsu

01 Oct 2015
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Definitely from a postal card and cut close.

Chimo

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nigelc

01 Oct 2015
08:23:18pm

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This is die I of this design which as far as I can see wasn't used for post office post cards so will have been cut from a 1901 stamped to order post card.

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michael78651

01 Oct 2015
10:18:18pm

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Nigel, could you describe what a "stamped-to-order" postal card is?

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nigelc

02 Oct 2015
05:45:10am

re: GREEN HALF PENNY

Hello Michael,

Yes, certainly. In Britain "Stamped to Order" postal stationery consists of items where the paper or card for the stationery is stamped by the Post Office (i.e. has the postage stamp(s) printed) following specific regulations at the request of private persons or organisations.

The old Higgins and Gage catalogue calls this "Printed to Private Order" so I guess that is the standard term in the US.

The stamp dies that were used for this were often different from the ones used for Post Office issues and so can be identified even when the stamps have been cut out from the postal stationery.

This half-penny design used three very similar dies. These can be distinguished by the shape of the small triangles at the top (above "A" of "HALF" and the second "N" of "PENNY") and the presence or absence of a small dot corresponding to the top of additional partial circular ornaments above the "L" of "HALF" and the first "N" of "PENNY".

Die I (here) does not have the small dot and was used in brown for Post Office post cards in issues from 1878 to 1883. Dies II and III were used for similar cards with later brown stamps.

Die I was used again in blue-green in 1901 but only for Stamped to Order items.

I hope this helps.

I recommend Collect British Postal Stationery by Alan Huggins and Colin Baker as a very useful reference for British postal stationery.


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michael78651

02 Oct 2015
10:15:18am

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TuskenRaider

02 Oct 2015
12:03:12pm

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Hi Everyone;

@ rwillis29;

Thanks for showing that, I've never seen one before. Altho I don't collect foreign postal stationary,
I still find them fascinating to see in the collections of others.

It probably is not worth much as close trimmed, but still very worth giving it a place in your collection.
A nice piece of postal history.

Here is one of mine that I know nothing about and would welcome a guestimate of it's value, so I
can decide it I want to keep.

Image Not Found

My guess is a letter sheet. The text in upper left probably says: "bla bla bla folded as a letter"

I think I have three of them and know next to nothing about them.

@ nigelc;

I would like to know the issue date and period of use, and how they were to be sold and used.
Why have I never seen any of these before? Does anyone else have any similar or canceled ones?
Do you have any idea of it's value, I only have Scott's and on old Stanley Gibbons general
British Colonies 1979.

Thanks in advance and thank you rwillis29 for starting this fascinating and informative thread.

Just Wonderin'....
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nigelc

02 Oct 2015
12:50:18pm

re: GREEN HALF PENNY

Hi TuskenRaider.

This is cut from a newspaper wrapper. The design of the tall stamp was intended to make it it easier to be postmarked once it had been sealed around a folded newspaper.

This one is from 1883. The catalogue value for the complete wrapper is £3.00 (mint or used) but there's not much demand for British cut-outs.

A similar stamp was used on letter sheets as you suggest but the text at the top makes it clear that this is from a wrapper.

There were originally five lines of text on this wrapper warning that it should only be used for sending newspapers. The last sentence read, "If this rule be infringed, this packet will be charged as a letter."



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TuskenRaider

02 Oct 2015
03:28:03pm

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Wow Nigel, you are the resident expert on British postal stationary....
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jillcrow

02 Oct 2015
09:28:53pm

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You can see the wording here:

http://www.y-p-a.org.uk/Images_Middlesbrough/cover2A.jpg

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TuskenRaider

03 Oct 2015
12:24:11am

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Hi Everyone;

@ jillcrow;

I just looked at your link, and thanks for providing that. Does the '946' in the striped oval
represent that post office? If it does then if I see a number cancel like that then it would
have been from Middlesbrough?

Also I was told by someone years ago that there was a chart of those number codes that
gave the village or towns that the piece was from. Is that correct? Just a world wide collector
and a bit of an Anglophile, and learning English postal history. Thank you in advance.

Just sortin'....
TuskenRaider

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Charlie2009

03 Oct 2015
02:59:34am

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Yes 946 would represent that town.Collect British Postmarks,from Stanley Gibbons will give you an enormous amount of info on these.

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jillcrow

03 Oct 2015
04:31:59am

re: GREEN HALF PENNY

You can work around this site to identify the British P.O. numbers:

http://www.gbps.org.uk/information/po-numbers/london.php

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Soundcrest

03 Oct 2015
05:58:17am

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Thanks for the PO link! I have added it to my stamp info bookmarks

Greg

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03 Oct 2015
08:24:51am

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Excellent site, Jill - thank you for the link!








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rwillis29

04 Oct 2015
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Thank You Everyone for the info.

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