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When (from - to) years these were used?
From Ebay I copied 3 examples.
So then how is the right and proper way to collect these.
I assume these are made with rubber?
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Here is a book for Paid cancels on the 3c 1861 stamp.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/p ...
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Right now the US Classics Society (https://www.uspcs.org/) is compiling a new edition of the The Amerian Postal Markings Catalog. They are still looking for input from collectors, so feel free to check out that page.
There are also older works which cover this area, such as, Simpson's US Postal Markings 1851-1861 , Cancellations and Killers of the Banknote Era, 1870-1894 by James Cole, U.S. Postmarks and Cancellations by Scott Trepel, United States Cancellations, 1845-1869: Unusual and Representative Markings by Hubert Skinner.
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I don't know of a book/article that specifically covers PAID postal markings but it may exist and I would be interested in it also. I know that "American Stampless Covers Catalog (many editions) by Sampson covers all kinds of markings including PAID on stampless covers. I have a copy of that book. If you are at all interested in early postal markings that book is highly recommended.
On whether the stamps are rubber or not, I again don't know definitively but I suspect most (maybe all) were woodblock stamps. Rubber stamps did not get invented until the mid 1860s. So after that point I suppose some could have been rubber.
A couple of my covers below:
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"I assume these are made with rubber?"
The duplex "PAID" cancels were almost exclusively made of metal, though some individual "PAID" cancels are obviously rubber because of the quality of the impression.
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A tiny bit off topic but a valid observation - We are in the time period now where cursive writing is disappearing from the schools but look at the writing on that last cover. It's a work of art. And I love that little comment in the bottom left corner - " Please forward in haste"! Fantastic stuff!!!
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I co authored an article for the American Revenuer I think it was in the 3rd quarter issue 2022 on rubber stamps. All my reference material is packed away, moving back to Nevada. Our research found out rubber was first developed in the 1830's and started being used for cancels in the 1840's on stamp-less covers. Wood and metal devices were also used, but rubber cancels were cheap. The main point for this article was the 1898 Revenue Series stamps with rubber cancels. I discovered a post card with a sample of their rubber stamp cancel. In the article there were many examples and styles used.
Thank you.
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I'll try to find that article you mention. You may be correct that rubber stamps were used before the mid 1860s but I don't believe they were in common use. Looking harder for references, I found the following:
"The story of rubber stamps began in 1736 when French explorer Charles Marie de la Condamine discovered rubber in the Amazon River Basin. Initially, rubber was used to rub out lead pencil marks. Unfortunately, the rubber turned into jelly when the temperature rose making it ineffective. Charles Goodyear solved this problem in 1839 – partly by accident – when he spilled a mixture of sulfur and gum rubber onto a hot stove thereby curing the rubber. Goodyear named and patented this vulcanization process in 1844. However, throughout the 1800s objects used as marking devices were made from other non-rubber materials. In fact, mechanical hand stamps (made from metal) were prominent through the 1860s.
So, when did rubber stamps hit the mainstream? There is an ongoing debate as to which inventor gets the credit for creating the rubber stamp. In the first story, L.F. Witherell of Knoxville, Illinois, claims he invented the rubber stamp when he attached fixed rubber letters onto the end of a bedpost. He then used the post to mark and identify his brand of manufactured food pumps. Unfortunately, Witherell never displayed proof of this claim. The second story involves James Orton Woodruff (1840-1879) who borrowed the vulcanizer his uncle used in his dentistry practice. During this time, rubber was ideal for denture molds, and the vulcanizers used in the process were also reportedly used for Woodruff’s rubber stamps batch production (1864-66). While the solvent-containing ink later destroyed the actual rubber stamps, Woodruff’s walnut mounts remain, as well as items that were printed with his stamps.
Even though both Woodruff and Witherell’s claim to invent the rubber stamp remain shaky, Henry C. Leland’s claim is even more doubtful. According to Leland, he began experimenting with creating custom rubber stamps in a vulcaniser in Pittsfield, MA in 1864. Leland claimed to even go as far as contemplating pursuing a patent for his rubber stamp, but backed out at the last minute.
While J.F.W. Dorman contributed greatly to the custom rubber stamp business, Dorman’s greatest contribution was in manufacturing vulcanisers. Dorman, a stencil salesman, became interested in rubber stamps in 1866 when introduced to them by an inventor.
By 1866 rubber stamps were in high demand, and the production of them became a growing industry. L.F.W. Dorman began to manufacturer vulcanizers specifically designed for stamp makers, commercializing the process. By 1892, there were 4,000 rubber stamp manufacturers and dealers in the United States alone."
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Interesting posting, thank you.
The 4,000 dealers etc. by the 1890's, most were mom and pop small shops. The majority larger dealers were located in the mid west, especially larger dealers in Chicago. New York also had the larger dealers.
This info will make good reading for other SOR members.
Again thank you
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Here is another link to a book on Paid Cancels.
https://www.philbansner.com/philatelic-l ...
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Is there any book(s) dealing with PAID cancels?
When (from - to) years these were used?
From Ebay I copied 3 examples.
So then how is the right and proper way to collect these.
I assume these are made with rubber?
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re: "PAID" Cancels
Here is a book for Paid cancels on the 3c 1861 stamp.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/p ...
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Right now the US Classics Society (https://www.uspcs.org/) is compiling a new edition of the The Amerian Postal Markings Catalog. They are still looking for input from collectors, so feel free to check out that page.
There are also older works which cover this area, such as, Simpson's US Postal Markings 1851-1861 , Cancellations and Killers of the Banknote Era, 1870-1894 by James Cole, U.S. Postmarks and Cancellations by Scott Trepel, United States Cancellations, 1845-1869: Unusual and Representative Markings by Hubert Skinner.
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re: "PAID" Cancels
I don't know of a book/article that specifically covers PAID postal markings but it may exist and I would be interested in it also. I know that "American Stampless Covers Catalog (many editions) by Sampson covers all kinds of markings including PAID on stampless covers. I have a copy of that book. If you are at all interested in early postal markings that book is highly recommended.
On whether the stamps are rubber or not, I again don't know definitively but I suspect most (maybe all) were woodblock stamps. Rubber stamps did not get invented until the mid 1860s. So after that point I suppose some could have been rubber.
A couple of my covers below:
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"I assume these are made with rubber?"
The duplex "PAID" cancels were almost exclusively made of metal, though some individual "PAID" cancels are obviously rubber because of the quality of the impression.
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A tiny bit off topic but a valid observation - We are in the time period now where cursive writing is disappearing from the schools but look at the writing on that last cover. It's a work of art. And I love that little comment in the bottom left corner - " Please forward in haste"! Fantastic stuff!!!
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@banknoteguy
Good morning (my time)
I co authored an article for the American Revenuer I think it was in the 3rd quarter issue 2022 on rubber stamps. All my reference material is packed away, moving back to Nevada. Our research found out rubber was first developed in the 1830's and started being used for cancels in the 1840's on stamp-less covers. Wood and metal devices were also used, but rubber cancels were cheap. The main point for this article was the 1898 Revenue Series stamps with rubber cancels. I discovered a post card with a sample of their rubber stamp cancel. In the article there were many examples and styles used.
Thank you.
1898
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re: "PAID" Cancels
I'll try to find that article you mention. You may be correct that rubber stamps were used before the mid 1860s but I don't believe they were in common use. Looking harder for references, I found the following:
"The story of rubber stamps began in 1736 when French explorer Charles Marie de la Condamine discovered rubber in the Amazon River Basin. Initially, rubber was used to rub out lead pencil marks. Unfortunately, the rubber turned into jelly when the temperature rose making it ineffective. Charles Goodyear solved this problem in 1839 – partly by accident – when he spilled a mixture of sulfur and gum rubber onto a hot stove thereby curing the rubber. Goodyear named and patented this vulcanization process in 1844. However, throughout the 1800s objects used as marking devices were made from other non-rubber materials. In fact, mechanical hand stamps (made from metal) were prominent through the 1860s.
So, when did rubber stamps hit the mainstream? There is an ongoing debate as to which inventor gets the credit for creating the rubber stamp. In the first story, L.F. Witherell of Knoxville, Illinois, claims he invented the rubber stamp when he attached fixed rubber letters onto the end of a bedpost. He then used the post to mark and identify his brand of manufactured food pumps. Unfortunately, Witherell never displayed proof of this claim. The second story involves James Orton Woodruff (1840-1879) who borrowed the vulcanizer his uncle used in his dentistry practice. During this time, rubber was ideal for denture molds, and the vulcanizers used in the process were also reportedly used for Woodruff’s rubber stamps batch production (1864-66). While the solvent-containing ink later destroyed the actual rubber stamps, Woodruff’s walnut mounts remain, as well as items that were printed with his stamps.
Even though both Woodruff and Witherell’s claim to invent the rubber stamp remain shaky, Henry C. Leland’s claim is even more doubtful. According to Leland, he began experimenting with creating custom rubber stamps in a vulcaniser in Pittsfield, MA in 1864. Leland claimed to even go as far as contemplating pursuing a patent for his rubber stamp, but backed out at the last minute.
While J.F.W. Dorman contributed greatly to the custom rubber stamp business, Dorman’s greatest contribution was in manufacturing vulcanisers. Dorman, a stencil salesman, became interested in rubber stamps in 1866 when introduced to them by an inventor.
By 1866 rubber stamps were in high demand, and the production of them became a growing industry. L.F.W. Dorman began to manufacturer vulcanizers specifically designed for stamp makers, commercializing the process. By 1892, there were 4,000 rubber stamp manufacturers and dealers in the United States alone."
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Interesting posting, thank you.
The 4,000 dealers etc. by the 1890's, most were mom and pop small shops. The majority larger dealers were located in the mid west, especially larger dealers in Chicago. New York also had the larger dealers.
This info will make good reading for other SOR members.
Again thank you
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Here is another link to a book on Paid Cancels.
https://www.philbansner.com/philatelic-l ...
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