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United States/Stamps : Obviously reperfed US stamps

 

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Jack

26 Jul 2023
03:35:09pm
I saw this stamp a week or so ago on eBay and at first glance, I thought - what nice 30c Hamilton. I checked my collection to see if it was better than the best I had. Hmmmm, maybe but I have a nice one. On second look, this stamp is obviously reperfed at the top. So obvious, that I was surprised I missed it the first time. Still it is a nice looking stamp.

So what is something like this worth -- 5% of CV or more? It was listed without noting the reperfing and sold for just under $12 which appears to me to be about 10-12 % of the CV (I am using the Scott specialized by grade and calling if a VF).

Why would anyone even do this if they were going to do such a bad job!

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26 Jul 2023
03:48:59pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

I'm not sure why they would bother, #217 is not a real valuable stamp. It lists for $100 used in my 2016 specialized. Did these stamps come with a flat side? Maybe they thought it'd be fun to add some perfs! Mine is a really good copy as well so I wouldn't be tempted but people do the weirdest things!! They ruined a very nicely centered stamp with nice wide margins!

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26 Jul 2023
04:21:12pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

Practice or at that price less likely to get certified for someone who does know.

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Jack

26 Jul 2023
05:23:18pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

This stamp would not have had a straight edge on top or for that matter on any of the sides. A sheet looks like the one below. So, I don't really know what it looked like to begin with.

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1898

26 Jul 2023
05:30:38pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

@banknoteguy

There is a straight edge on your example.

Flat plate printed stamps normally (not always) have a straight edge in conjunction with the arrow, shows where to run the sheet thru the round cutting machine!

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26 Jul 2023
05:33:39pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

"This stamp would not have had a straight edge on top or for that matter on any of the sides."


If the master sheet were divided as the arrow shows then it could have been flat on either side. At the top it's still possible depending on how the division between the top and bottom sheets was done. You'd have to find out how the master sheet was divided into smaller sheets and I don't have that information at hand now. I'll do a bit of research and see what I can come up with.
EDIT: The only reason I can think of why someone would perforate a straight edge in the first place is if, for some reason, they thought of it as an error! A real stamp person would know better. Either they were just fooling around or the stamp had a large top margin and damaged perfs! Either way it's a major problem with the stamp and probably does put it at around 10 - 15% CV. JMHO!!
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1898

26 Jul 2023
05:34:28pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

@Harvey

I would expect someone who does this sort of thing would practice on the cheapest stamps first that had a straight edge.

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26 Jul 2023
06:08:53pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

Yes, I should have seen the straight edge! So, clearly this stamp could have a straight edge either on the left or right. But the top margin is just like the bottom margin and there were only 2 panes in the sheet.

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26 Jul 2023
06:39:38pm
re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

"But the top margin is just like the bottom margin and there were only 2 panes in the sheet."


I thought that was the case but I couldn't find it anywhere!!

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Jack
26 Jul 2023
03:35:09pm

I saw this stamp a week or so ago on eBay and at first glance, I thought - what nice 30c Hamilton. I checked my collection to see if it was better than the best I had. Hmmmm, maybe but I have a nice one. On second look, this stamp is obviously reperfed at the top. So obvious, that I was surprised I missed it the first time. Still it is a nice looking stamp.

So what is something like this worth -- 5% of CV or more? It was listed without noting the reperfing and sold for just under $12 which appears to me to be about 10-12 % of the CV (I am using the Scott specialized by grade and calling if a VF).

Why would anyone even do this if they were going to do such a bad job!

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26 Jul 2023
03:48:59pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

I'm not sure why they would bother, #217 is not a real valuable stamp. It lists for $100 used in my 2016 specialized. Did these stamps come with a flat side? Maybe they thought it'd be fun to add some perfs! Mine is a really good copy as well so I wouldn't be tempted but people do the weirdest things!! They ruined a very nicely centered stamp with nice wide margins!

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Al
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26 Jul 2023
04:21:12pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

Practice or at that price less likely to get certified for someone who does know.

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Jack
26 Jul 2023
05:23:18pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

This stamp would not have had a straight edge on top or for that matter on any of the sides. A sheet looks like the one below. So, I don't really know what it looked like to begin with.

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1898

26 Jul 2023
05:30:38pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

@banknoteguy

There is a straight edge on your example.

Flat plate printed stamps normally (not always) have a straight edge in conjunction with the arrow, shows where to run the sheet thru the round cutting machine!

1898

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26 Jul 2023
05:33:39pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

"This stamp would not have had a straight edge on top or for that matter on any of the sides."


If the master sheet were divided as the arrow shows then it could have been flat on either side. At the top it's still possible depending on how the division between the top and bottom sheets was done. You'd have to find out how the master sheet was divided into smaller sheets and I don't have that information at hand now. I'll do a bit of research and see what I can come up with.
EDIT: The only reason I can think of why someone would perforate a straight edge in the first place is if, for some reason, they thought of it as an error! A real stamp person would know better. Either they were just fooling around or the stamp had a large top margin and damaged perfs! Either way it's a major problem with the stamp and probably does put it at around 10 - 15% CV. JMHO!!
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1898

26 Jul 2023
05:34:28pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

@Harvey

I would expect someone who does this sort of thing would practice on the cheapest stamps first that had a straight edge.

1898

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Jack
26 Jul 2023
06:08:53pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

Yes, I should have seen the straight edge! So, clearly this stamp could have a straight edge either on the left or right. But the top margin is just like the bottom margin and there were only 2 panes in the sheet.

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
26 Jul 2023
06:39:38pm

re: Obviously reperfed US stamps

"But the top margin is just like the bottom margin and there were only 2 panes in the sheet."


I thought that was the case but I couldn't find it anywhere!!

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"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. George Carlin"
        

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