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06:47:01pm
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Harvey, it is 550q if F paper @ $1400 pair or 550piii if HF paper @ $1600 pair. At that catalogue price, they will need to have NO scoreline.
If they are of no interest to you I could take them for my collection ... at a very reduced price, LOL.
Hope this helps.
Wig
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@Harvey
On Ebay there is an item (block of 16) eBay item number:374669482212, don't know if this is the same item you are asking about.
This item is located in Canada.
The asking price is about $25.00 plus shipping.
Does this answer your question of possible value?
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09:02:55pm
Sorry wigalso, I have to correct you.
This is not a 550q.
Here is a 550q currently being offered on ebay. It has a Vincent Grave Greene Philatelic Research Foundation certificate (shown in the listing)
Note that the Unitrade catalog listing for 550q specifies "imperforate", not "part perforate" or "imperf between" which is what Harvey's stamps would be described as.
The situation with these coils that were rouletted between rolls of coils is described in the introduction of the Unitrade catalog in the section under "Coil Stamps".
Identifying these unseparated coil rolls from a "stick" as imperforates is a common error. Here is another listing on ebay for a "550q pair" which clearly shows the score line. :
Scoring or no scoring is a matter of degree. That's why these apparently "unscored" pairs command very little premium. Somebody will pull out a higher power magnifier than you used and declare that score lines are in fact visible, and "poof" goes your prize possession. The above example with visibly obvious scoreline is a ludicrous offering, showing no knowledge of the stamp in question at all.
Roy
P.S. The same is true for the 8c QEII caricature issue coil shown.
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What is "wigalso" I've never heard of this? Has any one else heard of this?
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09:49:28pm
Using the very best loop I have I can see no evidence of score lines. Anyone who says they can has a very active imagination. My Unitrade calls 550q an inperforate pair. I would call this a perforated pair of coils imperforate between. Almost a gutter pair. I honestly don't care what they are worth, I just like odd stuff like this and would very much like to just have a number to ID them with. I just checked them out again and still can't see a score line, but then my vision isn't what it used to be!!
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10:16:38pm
1898 - I checked out item # 374669482212 on Ebay and the score lines are clearly visible. I can't find any on mine at all. It's possible if a microscope were used small pressure lines might be found. But where exactly do you draw the line (no pun intended!) between not there, might be there and not there at all. Obviously they were meant to be coils, that is not in doubt at all. If there were intended to be coils but had no scoring lines would they have a number? That's really all I want to know, is there a number? I believe it would be the same as 952ii but at least that has a number and a price of $75. I would be happy with that. By the way 550ii does exist but has the code DF which only stands for Dull Florescent paper which has nothing to do with a block of un-separated coils. I'm very confused!!
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10:27:53pm
"I can't find any on mine at all. It's possible if a microscope were used small pressure lines might be found. But where exactly do you draw the line (no pun intended!) between not there, might be there and not there at all."
That was precisely my point when I wrote this:
"Scoring or no scoring is a matter of degree. That's why these apparently "unscored" pairs command very little premium. Somebody will pull out a higher power magnifier than you used and declare that score lines are in fact visible, and "poof" goes your prize possession. "
When a "variety" is a matter of "degree", the catalogs tend not to recognize it. For example, perf shifts and tagging shifts fall into this category. It's a matter of the adjustment of the printing machinery at the time.
Your stamps are #550. I would describe it as "A block of 4 from unsevered coil rolls (see Unitrade introduction under coils). No visible scoring under xx power magnification".
Roy
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10:38:05pm
Thanks Roy! I just wrote exactly that by the stamps in my album! But that still doesn't explain why a number was given to 952ii while my block seems to be ignored. I don't want a big price, I just am now curious why it isn't mentioned in Unitrade while 952ii is. A bit of consistency would be nice!
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11 Jun 2023
06:47:01pm
I have a question about one of the stamps below. The last one on the right, the 8 cent Queen from the Centennial series, does not show up in my 2023 Canada Unitrade. I'm curious if anyone can give me an idea of what the number might be or a possible value. None of the stamps shown has any score marks. I didn't have access to any device to handle the stamps safely at my friend's place when the pictures were takes so I am not showing the backs of the stamps. The first one has a pencil ID and a hinge mark but all of the others are perfect on the back. The third stamp has a 150% premium since it has no hinge mark. If anyone could help me ID the last stamp it would be fantastic. I only showed the others for interest sake! Thanks!!
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re: A few interesting Canada stamps and a question
Harvey, it is 550q if F paper @ $1400 pair or 550piii if HF paper @ $1600 pair. At that catalogue price, they will need to have NO scoreline.
If they are of no interest to you I could take them for my collection ... at a very reduced price, LOL.
Hope this helps.
Wig
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08:53:47pm
re: A few interesting Canada stamps and a question
@Harvey
On Ebay there is an item (block of 16) eBay item number:374669482212, don't know if this is the same item you are asking about.
This item is located in Canada.
The asking price is about $25.00 plus shipping.
Does this answer your question of possible value?
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11 Jun 2023
09:02:55pm
re: A few interesting Canada stamps and a question
Sorry wigalso, I have to correct you.
This is not a 550q.
Here is a 550q currently being offered on ebay. It has a Vincent Grave Greene Philatelic Research Foundation certificate (shown in the listing)
Note that the Unitrade catalog listing for 550q specifies "imperforate", not "part perforate" or "imperf between" which is what Harvey's stamps would be described as.
The situation with these coils that were rouletted between rolls of coils is described in the introduction of the Unitrade catalog in the section under "Coil Stamps".
Identifying these unseparated coil rolls from a "stick" as imperforates is a common error. Here is another listing on ebay for a "550q pair" which clearly shows the score line. :
Scoring or no scoring is a matter of degree. That's why these apparently "unscored" pairs command very little premium. Somebody will pull out a higher power magnifier than you used and declare that score lines are in fact visible, and "poof" goes your prize possession. The above example with visibly obvious scoreline is a ludicrous offering, showing no knowledge of the stamp in question at all.
Roy
P.S. The same is true for the 8c QEII caricature issue coil shown.
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09:37:18pm
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@roy
What is "wigalso" I've never heard of this? Has any one else heard of this?
1898
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11 Jun 2023
09:49:28pm
re: A few interesting Canada stamps and a question
Using the very best loop I have I can see no evidence of score lines. Anyone who says they can has a very active imagination. My Unitrade calls 550q an inperforate pair. I would call this a perforated pair of coils imperforate between. Almost a gutter pair. I honestly don't care what they are worth, I just like odd stuff like this and would very much like to just have a number to ID them with. I just checked them out again and still can't see a score line, but then my vision isn't what it used to be!!
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11 Jun 2023
10:16:38pm
re: A few interesting Canada stamps and a question
1898 - I checked out item # 374669482212 on Ebay and the score lines are clearly visible. I can't find any on mine at all. It's possible if a microscope were used small pressure lines might be found. But where exactly do you draw the line (no pun intended!) between not there, might be there and not there at all. Obviously they were meant to be coils, that is not in doubt at all. If there were intended to be coils but had no scoring lines would they have a number? That's really all I want to know, is there a number? I believe it would be the same as 952ii but at least that has a number and a price of $75. I would be happy with that. By the way 550ii does exist but has the code DF which only stands for Dull Florescent paper which has nothing to do with a block of un-separated coils. I'm very confused!!
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11 Jun 2023
10:27:53pm
re: A few interesting Canada stamps and a question
"I can't find any on mine at all. It's possible if a microscope were used small pressure lines might be found. But where exactly do you draw the line (no pun intended!) between not there, might be there and not there at all."
That was precisely my point when I wrote this:
"Scoring or no scoring is a matter of degree. That's why these apparently "unscored" pairs command very little premium. Somebody will pull out a higher power magnifier than you used and declare that score lines are in fact visible, and "poof" goes your prize possession. "
When a "variety" is a matter of "degree", the catalogs tend not to recognize it. For example, perf shifts and tagging shifts fall into this category. It's a matter of the adjustment of the printing machinery at the time.
Your stamps are #550. I would describe it as "A block of 4 from unsevered coil rolls (see Unitrade introduction under coils). No visible scoring under xx power magnification".
Roy
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10:38:05pm
re: A few interesting Canada stamps and a question
Thanks Roy! I just wrote exactly that by the stamps in my album! But that still doesn't explain why a number was given to 952ii while my block seems to be ignored. I don't want a big price, I just am now curious why it isn't mentioned in Unitrade while 952ii is. A bit of consistency would be nice!
https://philatelic.co.uk/product/canada- ...
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