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You could say that the inverted Jenny reissue in 2012, where 100 sheets of 12 were intentionally printed with the Jenny upright, and released. The normal plane position on the reissue sheet is inverted, not upright.
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04:50:46pm
"You could say that the inverted Jenny reissue in 2012, where 100 sheets of 12 were intentionally printed with the Jenny upright, and released."
Yeah, but ... the reissue in that case was a totally different denomination, $2 instead of $0.24. I actually put the Jenny reissue in the spot I added for C3a. I even put in the price for the invert!! If you glance at it really quickly you can fool yourself that you have a really valuable stamp!!
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Harvey good question, I don't know of any.
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In 1902 a Specil Delivery stamp E6 was reissued, but not because of an error, so guess that's not the right and proper example.
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06:47:11pm
I remember reading about that but since it's well after my US cutoff of 1977 I forgot about it. Thanks!!
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Did they correct the error on the Legends of the West or make more prints of the error?
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07:04:52pm
I believe they just fixed it. So it was not the same as the Dag stamp where they issued more of the error/variety to keep the value down. I have a feeling that situation was unique - not sure though! By the way, does anyone know if there is a way to tell the reissued stamp from the original colour shift! If there was you'd expect the original to be worth more. The only way that would be possible, I think, is if you knew when the reissue was done and you happen to have one with an earlier postmark - incredibly unlikely!!
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The issue with the Legends of the West sheet was the image of Bill Pickett. It was found that the original (known as the recalled sheet) contained the image of Bill Picket's uncle by mistake. The family saw the design error, and contacted the postal service, which recalled the errant sheet (Scott #2870) from all post offices. The postal service held a drawing of the 150,000 panes available. If your name was picked, you could buy the sheet at face value. I think they let you buy up to three sheets. The 2020 value of the sheet in the 2020 Scott is $125.00, but it can often be found for much less than that.
The revised sheet (Scott #2869) contains the correct image of Bill Pickett, whose hometown was Taylor, Texas, just down US Highway 79 from where I live. After he retired from the rodeo, he became a preacher. His church is still in Taylor. There's a statue of him in downtown Taylor. The sheet is considered revised not just for the replaced image of Pickett, but several other stamps from the sheet were edited as well.
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The information on the Legends of the West sheets is very helpful! The Scott catalog gives no information except values.
The recalled sheets likely only exist as sheets, so that is how you expect to acquire them. I am only missing 4 from the sheet postally used, including the Pickett stamp, and they are now displayed on the revised sheet page.
The same problem occurs with the Warner Bros. Cartoon sheets. 4 different self adhesive sheets were issued from 1996 to 1999. Each one had a version in which the right hand stamp had no serpentine die cuts but is a self adhesive imperf. Judging from the values, it will be unlikely to find a postally used imperf. for the first two sheets. You will have to acquire an unused sheet. It looks like there may be an outside chance of finding a postally used imperf although after all of these years, I’ve never seen one. Thanks for the info!
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07:15:04pm
I was reading through the comments in my Harris Liberty Album and realized that there was another time when the US intentionally released stamps to cut down on the value of an unintentional release. In 1935 Postmaster General gave some friends sheets of the National Park series to his friends. The sheets were not perforated and without gum. When he learned what this would do to the prices of these stamps he printed large numbers of these sheets so all collectors could buy them at face value for a time period of six months. This is very similar to what was done with the Dag H. stamp later!! I didn't realize until I read this what the origin of thet special printing was.
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In the Farley case, he intentionally gave special printings to some people and the POD had to print more to dilute the value to avoid public backlash. In the Dag case, the error was not intentional.
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08:22:14am
Good point, but at least stamps were printed to correct the situation. That and the Dag stamp were similar in that respect!!
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Harvey, i was working in Manhattan in 1962 when the word got out that a guy had purchased a sheet or sheets of the Dag error. It was like chaos...what to do , what to do. So they decided to re issue the "defective" stamp and ruin the buyers dream of paying his kids college education. He should have kept quiet and put the stamps in a safe deposit box until the kids were 18..but who figured they were going to do what they did with the re issue ?
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01:11:02pm
Great story Phil, thanks for that!!
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06:40:44pm
I was just looking through my US album and noted the Dag H. error stamp and remembered philb's reply:
"Harvey, i was working in Manhattan in 1962 when the word got out that a guy had purchased a sheet or sheets of the Dag error. It was like chaos...what to do , what to do. So they decided to re issue the "defective" stamp and ruin the buyers dream of paying his kids college education. He should have kept quiet and put the stamps in a safe deposit box until the kids were 18..but who figured they were going to do what they did with the re issue ?"
If this person had saved his bill of sale and it was before Nov 16th, 1962 his sheet would be worth an incredible amount of money. That was the day that the reissue was done. A dated cover showing the error is worth a lot of money, imagine what a sheet with provenance would be worth. If anyone has a cover showing the variety/error with a date before Nov 16 could you show us and let us drool over it?
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18 Feb 2023
04:33:02pm
I'm just curious about this stamp. In 1962 the US issued a stamp to commemorate Dag H. (#1602) and there was an inverted yellow error on some of the stamps. In order to cut back on the philatelic value of this error the US government issued millions of stamps with the error done intentionally (#1603). Is this unique or has any country done this before? I can think of a couple of my Russian stamps where there's a variety/error that's worth little because the mistake was corrected in a separate issue after many were issued - one with a wrong date and one with the wrong coloured flag. I can't think of another example where a variety/error (not sure which to use in a case like this) has been manufactured and intentionally released. What if that had been done with the inverted Jenny, the Seaway invert, etc.? All that fun philatelic stuff would have never happened.
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04:42:06pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
You could say that the inverted Jenny reissue in 2012, where 100 sheets of 12 were intentionally printed with the Jenny upright, and released. The normal plane position on the reissue sheet is inverted, not upright.
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18 Feb 2023
04:50:46pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
"You could say that the inverted Jenny reissue in 2012, where 100 sheets of 12 were intentionally printed with the Jenny upright, and released."
Yeah, but ... the reissue in that case was a totally different denomination, $2 instead of $0.24. I actually put the Jenny reissue in the spot I added for C3a. I even put in the price for the invert!! If you glance at it really quickly you can fool yourself that you have a really valuable stamp!!
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05:19:34pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
Harvey good question, I don't know of any.
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06:19:06pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
In 1902 a Specil Delivery stamp E6 was reissued, but not because of an error, so guess that's not the right and proper example.
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18 Feb 2023
06:47:11pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
I remember reading about that but since it's well after my US cutoff of 1977 I forgot about it. Thanks!!
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06:51:08pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
Did they correct the error on the Legends of the West or make more prints of the error?
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18 Feb 2023
07:04:52pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
I believe they just fixed it. So it was not the same as the Dag stamp where they issued more of the error/variety to keep the value down. I have a feeling that situation was unique - not sure though! By the way, does anyone know if there is a way to tell the reissued stamp from the original colour shift! If there was you'd expect the original to be worth more. The only way that would be possible, I think, is if you knew when the reissue was done and you happen to have one with an earlier postmark - incredibly unlikely!!
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11:40:47pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
The issue with the Legends of the West sheet was the image of Bill Pickett. It was found that the original (known as the recalled sheet) contained the image of Bill Picket's uncle by mistake. The family saw the design error, and contacted the postal service, which recalled the errant sheet (Scott #2870) from all post offices. The postal service held a drawing of the 150,000 panes available. If your name was picked, you could buy the sheet at face value. I think they let you buy up to three sheets. The 2020 value of the sheet in the 2020 Scott is $125.00, but it can often be found for much less than that.
The revised sheet (Scott #2869) contains the correct image of Bill Pickett, whose hometown was Taylor, Texas, just down US Highway 79 from where I live. After he retired from the rodeo, he became a preacher. His church is still in Taylor. There's a statue of him in downtown Taylor. The sheet is considered revised not just for the replaced image of Pickett, but several other stamps from the sheet were edited as well.
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re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
The information on the Legends of the West sheets is very helpful! The Scott catalog gives no information except values.
The recalled sheets likely only exist as sheets, so that is how you expect to acquire them. I am only missing 4 from the sheet postally used, including the Pickett stamp, and they are now displayed on the revised sheet page.
The same problem occurs with the Warner Bros. Cartoon sheets. 4 different self adhesive sheets were issued from 1996 to 1999. Each one had a version in which the right hand stamp had no serpentine die cuts but is a self adhesive imperf. Judging from the values, it will be unlikely to find a postally used imperf. for the first two sheets. You will have to acquire an unused sheet. It looks like there may be an outside chance of finding a postally used imperf although after all of these years, I’ve never seen one. Thanks for the info!
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02 Sep 2023
07:15:04pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
I was reading through the comments in my Harris Liberty Album and realized that there was another time when the US intentionally released stamps to cut down on the value of an unintentional release. In 1935 Postmaster General gave some friends sheets of the National Park series to his friends. The sheets were not perforated and without gum. When he learned what this would do to the prices of these stamps he printed large numbers of these sheets so all collectors could buy them at face value for a time period of six months. This is very similar to what was done with the Dag H. stamp later!! I didn't realize until I read this what the origin of thet special printing was.
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re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
In the Farley case, he intentionally gave special printings to some people and the POD had to print more to dilute the value to avoid public backlash. In the Dag case, the error was not intentional.
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03 Sep 2023
08:22:14am
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
Good point, but at least stamps were printed to correct the situation. That and the Dag stamp were similar in that respect!!
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re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
Harvey, i was working in Manhattan in 1962 when the word got out that a guy had purchased a sheet or sheets of the Dag error. It was like chaos...what to do , what to do. So they decided to re issue the "defective" stamp and ruin the buyers dream of paying his kids college education. He should have kept quiet and put the stamps in a safe deposit box until the kids were 18..but who figured they were going to do what they did with the re issue ?
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04 Sep 2023
01:11:02pm
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Great story Phil, thanks for that!!
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17 Dec 2023
06:40:44pm
re: Question about Dag Hammarskjold variety/error
I was just looking through my US album and noted the Dag H. error stamp and remembered philb's reply:
"Harvey, i was working in Manhattan in 1962 when the word got out that a guy had purchased a sheet or sheets of the Dag error. It was like chaos...what to do , what to do. So they decided to re issue the "defective" stamp and ruin the buyers dream of paying his kids college education. He should have kept quiet and put the stamps in a safe deposit box until the kids were 18..but who figured they were going to do what they did with the re issue ?"
If this person had saved his bill of sale and it was before Nov 16th, 1962 his sheet would be worth an incredible amount of money. That was the day that the reissue was done. A dated cover showing the error is worth a lot of money, imagine what a sheet with provenance would be worth. If anyone has a cover showing the variety/error with a date before Nov 16 could you show us and let us drool over it?
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