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Tom in Exton, PA
13 Aug 2016
10:59:00am
Someone started a thread yesterday challenging that all today's mail was boring and nothing said "Hey Collect Me". I kept the email notification since I wanted to respond to it, and when I clicked on the link this morning, the thread appeared to be gone.

What is interesting in our daily mail? It's all in the eyes of the beholder. Since I buy a lot of stuff on eBay, I get envelopes franked with many ancient US stamps. I don't consider those interesting since they are philatelic in nature and the stamps are being used way out of their time period. I still toss those covers into the big box.

This topic of what to save, goes two ways. One, covers you think are interesting and want for your collection. Two, covers you would give to someone else who collects a topic. Three, things that future generations of collectors would want.

Looking at my own 1903-08 collection, some of the most interesting and hard to find items are what was considered junk mail, and most likely to be thrown away. Think about that one and the parallel to what comes in your mail today. The things we glance at and throw away. Just as there were many first in my era, there were also many firsts-- changes in franking, automation and change today.

For my own Ben Franklin, hard to find items are advertising covers, especially those with the one cent unsealed circular rate... aka junk mail. Today I pay dearly for examples with private perforations, precancels or perfins especially.

So let's open up with a few covers I received in the not too distant past. And let's get some thoughts and predictions out there!

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Here's an advertisement sent to me from Stamps.com Note that I have their sample sheet of stamps visible in the window, and I saved the entire contents. I find the print to order stamps interesting as automation and change. I understand the first trials with post office lobby kiosks were in the Washington DC suburbs and covers from those are already sought after. I save every cover with a self printed stamp, especially this past Christmas with the Peanuts version, which I believe is actually Scott listed. Since people had to get them from the machine, these could be quite sought after and scarce in the future. I also save those picture ones (I call them vanity stamps). We received a graduation invitation from our neighbor with a child photo of their son on the stamp. That's a keeper!

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This one really stood out in my mail with the Mailers Postmark and use of the Presorted Standard mail stamp. It was designed to get your attention and interest you in opening it. This was a local guy starting a town website and email chain.

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Here's a sports topical cover. Non profit rate on a current Pitney Bowes meter. This was from the local YMCA.

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This first class presorted card usage may be difficult to find in the future. In fact for my collection of US stamps, I decided I wanted to collect all these limited use stamps and fractionals from the past 30 years or so on cover. Don't call this company though, I was suspicious and Googled them. They act like they are a private courier and have a package to deliver to you. It's a ruse to make sure you are home and they send a pushy salesman to try to sell you stuff. Still a decent cover.

All of the above are in my cover collection representing what they are, modern postal history and usage. I have more, different items and such, but this is what I pulled out on short notice to scan for this thread. Comments? Post covers you feel are significant? This can be interesting.


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bobgggg
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13 Aug 2016
10:39:37pm
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Very interesting Tom, thanks for sharing... I find many of these covers in the recycle bin at my local Post office.. Folks throw out these " junk mail " covers when they pick up their mail from their P.O. boxes...I always go thru the recycle bins and pull out any interesting covers...

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bobgggg
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29 Aug 2016
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I have three members from my stamp club now collecting these covers...

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Tom in Exton, PA
23 Sep 2016
10:14:02pm
re: Interesting Covers In Your Daily Mail..

thought I'd add a few more received recently...

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Here's postal use of the Presorted Standard rate coil stamp. I'm not sure if this was for a post card rate or the same as a letter. I like vehicles so I am pleased with their current truck on the card. This company has a large fleet on the road so you see them all the time. This one will be really cool to have 50 years from now!

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My sister's usual birthday card mailed the day after my birthday. Looks like she got the stamp from the post office lobby vending machine. I don't know how scarce these will be in the future, so I save them on cover.

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Political mail! My own personal mail from Donald Trump! With another Presorted Standard Rate coil stamp. This one is different than the one on the card above. I've alway saved the presidential election ads, I'd have to dig but I know I have them back to the 1970s, probably with a big gap where I wasn't collecting.

Modern postal history in the making...

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bobgggg
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24 Sep 2016
09:46:42am
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Another thing that I like to collect are forever stamps on cover...

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24 Sep 2016
09:59:42am
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"Another thing that I like to collect are forever stamps on cover..."



Forever stamps on cover will be interesting usage in the future. They will need to have a postmark date that is readable, and you'll need a rate / time period chart to know how much postage they were paying on that day. We already have had two different rates applied to the Forever stamps. I wonder how much value was lost to the stamps in public hands when the rate actually declined!

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Tom in Exton, PA
03 Mar 2017
07:37:14pm
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Here's two more that hit my mailbox this week. Rather attractive looking permit indica! I'll put them in the collection. Note that the Pella envelope has a town cancel... may be the only way you will get a town cancel on mail today.

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03 Mar 2017
10:37:30pm

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And how about this one.....compliments of the USPS - although they deny it.

Do I really believe the sender actually SENT it this way to begin with?!?

Ummmm, no.


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Tom in Exton, PA
04 Mar 2017
09:12:08am
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Yes, Randy I would add that one to the collection! I love postal markings.

Each year I do a mailing of 2000 postcards for our model car show. That gives me a bunch of "Return to sender"s for various reasons, mostly for people who have moved. And sadly we lose a few guys each year. That has given me a decent collection of these various types from across the country.

Some of them have reason for return on them. I have them with "Deceased" and my favorite was hand written "In Jail". We still chuckle about that one in the club.

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DavidG
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05 Mar 2017
08:41:30am
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BenFranklin1902:

I am glad you are saving the political mail. I have a (US only) topical collection of President Ronald Reagan. I've some neat covers for when he was running for president.

David in Ottawa, Canada

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musicman
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07 Mar 2017
08:28:00pm

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Hey Tom/Benfranklin!


Looks like I may find a few more interesting covers in our current mail very soon!

Got these today;


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That's a 15" ruler for size reference.


My daughter works for the city and she saves me all the incoming mail covers. She waits until the box is full, then delivers it. Looks like she waited so long this time that she brought 2!


Some fun sorting ahead!







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Tom in Exton, PA
07 Mar 2017
08:55:09pm
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Very cool Randy! Let's see the interesting ones. I got one today with a local mailers permit on a stamp.

Back when I was in my teens, figure 1972 era, my uncle worked for the local gas and electric company. He'd bring me big movers boxes full of the envelopes that people sent in their bills. Back then there were different town postmarks, and that's what got me started on the New Jersey collection.

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11 Mar 2017
09:10:53am

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Here are a couple interesting ones off the top of the pile from box one;




1) I thought this one was funny due to the business name in the upper left
paired with the stamp image on the right - would make a good children's book!Big Grin


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2) Next one is graphically cropped to show just the cancels - Rudolph appears to have fallen asleep in the right image Laughing



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I'll post more as I find them.

Happy







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14 Mar 2017
08:44:24pm

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Here are a couple more finds from the boxfulls of covers my daughter brought me;



--first one is a nice example of a personal postage stamp from Stamps.com


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--and then there's the dead fish! Big Grin


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Ya never know WHAT you'll find in peoples' mail these days...!!










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Tom in Exton, PA
15 Mar 2017
12:47:33am
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Randy you crack me up! As a fancy goldfish keeper, you don't know how many times I was confronted with that scene! I like your personal postage stamp as well, unfortunate that USPS decided to tattoo the children's faces! I believe these stamps will be collectible on cover in the future. I wanted to share a few...

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Flipping through a cover box, I found this one that I saved years ago. That was my previous New Jersey address. Usage of the presorted standard rate.

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Here's another of another Mailers Postmark Permit. Remember that statistics show that mail with a stamp and a postmark are more likely to be read.

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Curse those financial advisers who have bought lists of people headed for retirement! Free dinner? Yea, but they will haunt you until the day you die! Still an interesting postmark thingie along with an actual stamp.

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Then I got this in the mail! I wasn't sure if it was okay to open!

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15 Mar 2017
06:58:22am
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No Tom, I didn't put this in with the plate blocks...


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15 Mar 2017
12:05:59pm
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Randy's St Lake Indian School Stamps.com stamp is interesting. Most likely it is the stamp that accompanies the solicitation from the school INSIDE the envelope, sent with the hope that you will find it in your heart to use their donated 49c postage to mail them a donation.

This is the Theory of Reciprocity that posits that some of us are more likely to return a favor for having been done a favor. At worst, it's likely to be used on cover, thereby providing even more promotional goods for the dollars spent.

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16 Mar 2017
11:36:15am
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Keep your eyes peeled for coils with plate numbers on them in your mail. Scott has begun pricing these at quite a premium in "on cover" condition.

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16 Mar 2017
05:11:51pm
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never has a PNC been removed by me from a cover....

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17 Mar 2017
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I just received my first purchase from the "American Philatelic Society".
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17 Mar 2017
10:04:34am
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That's a pretty cover but it just screams STEAL ME! It completely identifies the contents as collectible stamps!

I've noticed that some of the dealers I patronize on eBay use their company name on their mailings along with an array of old stamps, while others use a personal address and a meter or internet postage paid stamp.

The owner of Dutch Country Auctions was the speaker at one of our club meetings. He was talking about the value of old stamp sheets, and how disappointing it is for people who come in to his store with a huge lot of old sheets their uncle had saved for 50 years. He has to tel these folks that they are without value, and best he can do is offer them maybe 50% of face value.

One of the club members asked him why he doesn't use it for postage to mail out his catalogs.. his response was that he's paying his labor $10 an hour or more, so any savings on postage would be outweighed by his labor cost. Interesting.

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17 Mar 2017
09:24:21pm
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BenFranklin1902 (wrote)

That's a pretty cover but it just screams STEAL ME! It completely identifies the contents as collectible stamps!
You know that is exactly what I thought when I saw it .You would think that the APS would take a more care and not disclose what was in the packages they send out.
Do they really have to say "This package contains stamps".OK you pay for insurance ,but by the same token you don't advertise the fact.
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musicman
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17 Mar 2017
11:21:08pm

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Antonio,

I found 24 PNC covers;

7 were on regular-sized 6 & 1/2" envelopes

17 were on business-sized 10" covers


I ALWAYS save PNC covers.

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05 May 2017
01:32:56pm
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Here's a couple more that hit my mailbox the past few weeks...


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The first cover came with an interesting group of stamps totaling five cents. I don't know what the current non-profit rate is. I like the mailers postmark.

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Here's a colorful commercial cover beckoning me to attend a trade show. I liked the new presorted first class mail stamp. I don't believe I had any of these!

Keep your eyes on your junkmail!

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06 May 2017
07:49:41am
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Solicitation from APS

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06 May 2017
05:38:21pm
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In reference to the APS registered mail in the post above, there is no chance of it being stolen from the mails. the registered item is scanned when it was mailed; it goes into a registered bag; the driver when he picks up the mail signs for the bag; when it gets to the registry section of the processing facility, it is signed and so on until it reaches the processing facility at the destination. It then is scanned again when it arrives at the post office of the destination. It then is scanned delivered when the recipient signs for it. This is for domestic registered mail.

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Very good point(s), John;

I don't know why none of the rest of us gave thought to the
registered mail delivery process!Surprise

I guess we were all asleep at the wheel on that one - except for you!Happy








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Tom in Exton, PA
07 May 2017
08:58:38am
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How is that APS envelope registered mail? I don't see any markings and it has a total of 49 cents postage.

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1973lindale
07 May 2017
09:20:19am
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Tom,

I think John was referring to the envelope in Brian's (Snowy12) post. The envelope traveled to Australia. But, I wonder if APS registers any domestic envelopes.

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07 May 2017
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Theft of registered mail can occur in the distribution center if a clerk pockets the item. Tucking an item like this into a personal backpack or purse cannot be difficult. The result is that USPS tracking data shows that the item arrived in the distribution center and then there is no further record. USPS will simply pay a proper loss claim rather than try to investigate which person took the item since obviously all of them would deny it. I don't think it's accurate to say that there is NO chance of theft. It's been going on at the JFK center for years, according to posts by others.

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07 May 2017
12:11:27pm
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"I think John was referring to the envelope in Brian's (Snowy12) post. The envelope traveled to Australia. But, I wonder if APS registers any domestic envelopes."



Ah! All I saw today was the APS cover Angore posted yesterday! Imagine that, TWO APS covers in one thread. Carry on!

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22 Jun 2017
12:17:03pm
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Does anyone know where I can find/buy/trade for 2004 and 2005 American Eagle presort covers? I've been looking to complete a set of eagles on cover for over 10 years. The 2005s are hard to find, the 2004s are d*mn near impossible - I have only seen them from 3 sources (one was Linns, one was Bosley hair restoration).


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Here is a third cover from the APS.

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vinman
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Some nice things arrived in this cover. It screams philatelic but sent insured so little chance of it being stolen. I will post the items in another thread.

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WOW!

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22 Oct 2017
11:35:42am
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that's nearly a complete USA airmail collection on one piece of mail!

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Here is another cover from the same dealer who sent me the cover posted a few messages ago. There are twelve complete booklet panes, The two on the left side are complete but they didn't fit on my scanner.
I will post tomorrow what arrived in this cover/box. Actually I have quite a few new acquisitions I plan on sharing. I have been busy the last few months adding material and books to my collection.
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Fun stuff Vince! And...no sign of a Sharpie cancel anywhere!Thumbs Up


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Here is a cover a friend received in the mail. My friend expertise's sports autographs and this contained some Baseball Cards with autographs to be checked. There is three dollars legal postage but fifty cents made up from cut out squares from postal cards. This is the correct rate for a first class package under four ounces, $3.50. Sent from Bellaire, TX to Buckingham, PA. There are no markings on the front or back so I assume this was dropped in a mail box for collection. Neat oddity.

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pigdoc
13 Jan 2019
11:29:22am
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Very interesting, Vince.

And, it's also an "illegal mail" cover - it's not legal to use pieces cut from postcards as postage on envelopes!

Is it a recent mailing?

I have a very small, but growing collection of 'illegal mail', some of which I created for myself. (I think I showed one of these covers to you when I saw you in West Chester).

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I received some covers this week in this envelope. The dealer used Official plate blocks to pay part of the postage.

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What the heck is Permit 1363?

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Illegal usage, isn’t it? A dealer’s mail isn’t official.

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I believe you can use Official stamps for postage.
https://pe.usps.com/Archive/PDF/DMMArchive20041209/P022.pdf

Here is the section concerning Official stamps.

2.0 VALIDITY OF STAMPS
Valid
2.1
All postage stamps issued by the United States since 1860, unless listed in 2.2,
are valid for postage from any point in the United States or from any other place
where U.S. Mail service operates. Precanceled stamps may be used to pay regular
postage and fees for special services if the mailpiece is endorsed under the
standards for the class of mail and service requested. Precanceled postage may
be used only by permit holders authorized under P023. Unless excepted by
standard, the total postage affixed must equal at least the postage charge for the
class of the mail and, if applicable, the fee for the special service requested. All
nondenominated postage and makeup rate stamps, including official mail stamps,
are valid at the original rates of issue. Except for precanceled stamps that bear rate
markings (e.g., First-Class Presort, Presorted, or Nonprofit Organization),
nondenominated postage stamps may be affixed to international mail. See IMM
152.2d.

Invalid
2.2
The following are not valid to pay postage for U.S. domestic or U.S.-originated
international mail:
a. Postage due, special delivery, special handling, and certified mail stamps.
b. Stamps of other countries.
c. United Nations stamps, unless on mail deposited at the United Nations, NY.
d. U.S. stamps that are mutilated or defaced; cut from stamped envelopes,
aerogrammes, or stamped cards; covered or coated in such a manner that
canceling or defacing marks cannot be printed onto the stamps; or
overprinted with an unauthorized design, message, or other marking.
e. Nonpostage stamps, such as migratory-bird hunting and conservation
stamps, U.S. saving and thrift stamps.

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pigdoc
18 Feb 2019
11:46:27am
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Yes, official mail stamps can be used with the Permit.

Thing is, an item with a permit number must be presented for mailing at the PO that issued the permit number. I would think that this would subject individual items to greater scrutiny...or maybe not.

Vince, does the item have correct postage on it? I would be hard-pressed to remember what postal rate "E" was, and I would not expect the average postal clerk to bother looking it up.

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18 Feb 2019
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Paul,
There is a total of $3.20 postage including the officials. It is marked 1st class, non-machinable. There is also a tracking number and a label applied by the post office with $0.00.

edit The "D" coil is .22c and the coil "E" is .25c

Nothing illegal going on here, I thought it would be an interesting cover to share. I have been dealing with this dealer for a number of years and he uses old postage to mail my orders.

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