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DaSaintFan
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25 Nov 2014
12:56:07pm
Used the last of my 3 inch binders to get it done... but the Romanian stuff is in a folder and shelved!

If anyone tells you it's easy to albumize a collection, even when it's already been put in order for you... don't believe 'em! Over 2 months to print pages, hinge the stamps, sort through the "good" variants (compared to the shading and printing type variants...

Anyone know a good Romanian catalog to work with to value the collection and variants?

And now I have to start working on the approval book for the duplicates, which is gonna take about 8 times as long I think with all the variations...
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25 Nov 2014
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

Congrats on a job well done! Give yourself a pat on the back. Applause

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25 Nov 2014
01:15:42pm
re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

Congratulations Mark!
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"And now I have to start working on the approval book for the duplicates, which is gonna take about 8 times as long I think with all the variations..."



Naaahhhh, just pick up you duplicated, preferably in sequence, and put them in a book.
It is that simple, especially if you have just finished with the collection part.
Don't agonize. Just do it.
They are just your duplicates, but they may be a treasure for another collector. Share the hobby!
Also, you will notice that while the first book will take you a bit of time...it gets easier and easier after each page! I am looking forward to seeing them in Approvals.
rrr...

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25 Nov 2014
01:37:05pm
re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

It just depends raph... I don't usually keep color or printing type variants, unless they're drastic, and I rarely keep too many perforation variants (I know I probably should). It's usually only the ones with actual changes/errors that I tend to keep an eye out for.

I nearly gave away one of my Russian stamps with one of those minor changes, and was in a panic trying to find it.

I'm just trying to decide whether to put the "full set" duplicates in auction or at the back of the approval books. (I'll figure that out I guess when I get home and start rummaging back through them.).

I have to admit it felt weird last night working on a country that didn't have "Posta Romania" or "RP Romania" on it Happy

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25 Nov 2014
01:50:50pm
re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

When putting your Approval Book together, remember that you are now the Romania Expert, and most others who will be interested in your duplicates are not at your level.
Keep the stamps variants off until you know what you want to do with them, and commit the rest to the Approval book. Rarities may go on Auction, or priced higher at the end of your Approval Book...or even be added later.
If I were an expert, I would not be looking for my last missing stamps in Approvals.
But tell yourself that you are meeting the needs of many collectors, from beginners to advance, who are building their collections using Approvals and need to fill gaps, and go for it!
Part of the fun of collecting is the sharing that ensues.

rrr.

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26 Nov 2014
02:54:11pm
re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

"albumize"



Now albumize is my favourite philatelic word.Happy

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01 Feb 2015
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Mark, I have a complete (basic) collection of Romania 1939-1945, running to 40 sheets (a random example illustrated above). I wonder if you know whether or not the issuing policy during wartime was a deliberate and targeted way of gathering funds (presumably for the war effort, but possibly for Antonescu's personal treasury), along the lines of the Reichspost in Nazi Germany. The proliferation of premium-heavy issues and miniature sheets - far more than other countries in this period - seems to reflect either a thriving stamp-collecting culture, or a population who found it wise to be seen to buy stamps.

In wartime Germany it is suggested that stamps became a trading currency in themselves lest the Reichsmarks grew scarce; at the same time the revenue created was massive. Do you know if anything similar happened in Romania?

I would be grateful for any information or knowledge you have on this aspect of its philately, even if it does not pertain to the war years.

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02 Feb 2015
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

From what I remember from my limited reading Guthrum (very few English language books on Romanian postal history even see to be around, although there are a few articles online here and there), I believe Antonescu was a huge proponent of the Nazi's "stamp currency", but I don't believe he ever had the success with the "postage stamp currency" that the Nazi's did. (I'd have to go do some more reading to be sure).

It didn't hurt that King Carol II was an avid collector (and it kinda shows on some of the stamps of that 30-40 era, primarily ones that show the king).

I don't believe it was until post-war/Soviet era that the "stamps for money" idea really took off, and we know how the Soviets pretty much printed everything they could on a stamp if it gave them money. (I want to say '48, but don't quote me on that?).

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02 Feb 2015
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

In Germany it was socially advisable and patriotic to buy up postage stamps, although the majority with their massive premiums were not used for postage. There is little doubt that the considerable proceeds went both to Hitler's personal fortune and to the war effort (one set apparently paid for an entire intelligence department).

I don't know what social pressures were like in Antonescu's Romania - what support the regime had and how the regime policed its populace. What is certain is that Romania issued many more stamps and miniature sheets than any other country during the war, and far more than any postal use would warrant.

All my stamps are mint, but if you have used or on cover stamps you may be able to say how much these "semi-postals" were used to send letters. For instance, two 3-value sets of 1942 were priced at 150 lei each set. What was the cost of sending a letter in Bucharest at that time?

It would probably be even harder to establish how much the sale of stamps brought in (there are figures for Germany, though incomplete), or where (and if) it was spent. All in all, with stamps issued under such guises as "General Revenue Fund" (1943, King Michael set), I think the Romanians were taking a leaf out of the Nazi book.

Perhaps King Michael (still alive at 93) could tell us?

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07 Feb 2015
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Congratulation - nerve and time need to made it - also money, but satisfaction come in the end!

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24 Sep 2018
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

Even if this thread was created few years ago, I would like to add some info. Romania entered WWII in June 1941, as a member of the Axis. Allied with Germany, Romanian Army invaded Russia. The main reason was to return Basarabia back to Romania (see all stamps starting with B154 till B210). During the war, Romania lost a lot of oil and goods to Germany, later to Russia. Anyhow, a way for the Government to recover just a little was by printing semi-postal stamps. They were plentiful. This "method" continued for few more years after the war was over. For many years Russia controlled 100% of Romania politically and economically. Romania had to pay back Russia because Romania fought against them. It was a lot of poverty during those years, on top a two year drought. Any "Leu" (the name of Romanian currency) saved was a loaf of bread on the table. This is the reason that semi-postal stamps were not used for postage. Some sets were printed in huge quantities, as revenues for Government, but is extremely difficult to find a genuine semi-postal stamp used for postage. I was born in Romania almost when the war started and I remember my childhood years during those years. I was almost to die when Americans bombarded Ploiesti. Even now in my brain exists a ball of fire, which is not going away. Sorry for my English mistakes (second language for me), but war is a horrible thing. And sorry for this long note, but I wanted to explain the situation with so many semi-postal stamps. Virgil

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Tom in Exton, PA

25 Sep 2018
07:17:18pm
re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

"I have to admit it felt weird last night working on a country that didn't have "Posta Romania" or "RP Romania" on it"



OP hasn't been on the board for a couple of years, but I understand how he felt. When I finally finished getting the New Jersey cover collection into albums I had no idea what to do with myself!

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DaSaintFan

25 Nov 2014
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Used the last of my 3 inch binders to get it done... but the Romanian stuff is in a folder and shelved!

If anyone tells you it's easy to albumize a collection, even when it's already been put in order for you... don't believe 'em! Over 2 months to print pages, hinge the stamps, sort through the "good" variants (compared to the shading and printing type variants...

Anyone know a good Romanian catalog to work with to value the collection and variants?

And now I have to start working on the approval book for the duplicates, which is gonna take about 8 times as long I think with all the variations...

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25 Nov 2014
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

Congrats on a job well done! Give yourself a pat on the back. Applause

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25 Nov 2014
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

Congratulations Mark!
Re:

"And now I have to start working on the approval book for the duplicates, which is gonna take about 8 times as long I think with all the variations..."



Naaahhhh, just pick up you duplicated, preferably in sequence, and put them in a book.
It is that simple, especially if you have just finished with the collection part.
Don't agonize. Just do it.
They are just your duplicates, but they may be a treasure for another collector. Share the hobby!
Also, you will notice that while the first book will take you a bit of time...it gets easier and easier after each page! I am looking forward to seeing them in Approvals.
rrr...

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25 Nov 2014
01:37:05pm

re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

It just depends raph... I don't usually keep color or printing type variants, unless they're drastic, and I rarely keep too many perforation variants (I know I probably should). It's usually only the ones with actual changes/errors that I tend to keep an eye out for.

I nearly gave away one of my Russian stamps with one of those minor changes, and was in a panic trying to find it.

I'm just trying to decide whether to put the "full set" duplicates in auction or at the back of the approval books. (I'll figure that out I guess when I get home and start rummaging back through them.).

I have to admit it felt weird last night working on a country that didn't have "Posta Romania" or "RP Romania" on it Happy

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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

When putting your Approval Book together, remember that you are now the Romania Expert, and most others who will be interested in your duplicates are not at your level.
Keep the stamps variants off until you know what you want to do with them, and commit the rest to the Approval book. Rarities may go on Auction, or priced higher at the end of your Approval Book...or even be added later.
If I were an expert, I would not be looking for my last missing stamps in Approvals.
But tell yourself that you are meeting the needs of many collectors, from beginners to advance, who are building their collections using Approvals and need to fill gaps, and go for it!
Part of the fun of collecting is the sharing that ensues.

rrr.

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26 Nov 2014
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

"albumize"



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01 Feb 2015
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

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Mark, I have a complete (basic) collection of Romania 1939-1945, running to 40 sheets (a random example illustrated above). I wonder if you know whether or not the issuing policy during wartime was a deliberate and targeted way of gathering funds (presumably for the war effort, but possibly for Antonescu's personal treasury), along the lines of the Reichspost in Nazi Germany. The proliferation of premium-heavy issues and miniature sheets - far more than other countries in this period - seems to reflect either a thriving stamp-collecting culture, or a population who found it wise to be seen to buy stamps.

In wartime Germany it is suggested that stamps became a trading currency in themselves lest the Reichsmarks grew scarce; at the same time the revenue created was massive. Do you know if anything similar happened in Romania?

I would be grateful for any information or knowledge you have on this aspect of its philately, even if it does not pertain to the war years.

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DaSaintFan

02 Feb 2015
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

From what I remember from my limited reading Guthrum (very few English language books on Romanian postal history even see to be around, although there are a few articles online here and there), I believe Antonescu was a huge proponent of the Nazi's "stamp currency", but I don't believe he ever had the success with the "postage stamp currency" that the Nazi's did. (I'd have to go do some more reading to be sure).

It didn't hurt that King Carol II was an avid collector (and it kinda shows on some of the stamps of that 30-40 era, primarily ones that show the king).

I don't believe it was until post-war/Soviet era that the "stamps for money" idea really took off, and we know how the Soviets pretty much printed everything they could on a stamp if it gave them money. (I want to say '48, but don't quote me on that?).

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02 Feb 2015
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

In Germany it was socially advisable and patriotic to buy up postage stamps, although the majority with their massive premiums were not used for postage. There is little doubt that the considerable proceeds went both to Hitler's personal fortune and to the war effort (one set apparently paid for an entire intelligence department).

I don't know what social pressures were like in Antonescu's Romania - what support the regime had and how the regime policed its populace. What is certain is that Romania issued many more stamps and miniature sheets than any other country during the war, and far more than any postal use would warrant.

All my stamps are mint, but if you have used or on cover stamps you may be able to say how much these "semi-postals" were used to send letters. For instance, two 3-value sets of 1942 were priced at 150 lei each set. What was the cost of sending a letter in Bucharest at that time?

It would probably be even harder to establish how much the sale of stamps brought in (there are figures for Germany, though incomplete), or where (and if) it was spent. All in all, with stamps issued under such guises as "General Revenue Fund" (1943, King Michael set), I think the Romanians were taking a leaf out of the Nazi book.

Perhaps King Michael (still alive at 93) could tell us?

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24 Sep 2018
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

Even if this thread was created few years ago, I would like to add some info. Romania entered WWII in June 1941, as a member of the Axis. Allied with Germany, Romanian Army invaded Russia. The main reason was to return Basarabia back to Romania (see all stamps starting with B154 till B210). During the war, Romania lost a lot of oil and goods to Germany, later to Russia. Anyhow, a way for the Government to recover just a little was by printing semi-postal stamps. They were plentiful. This "method" continued for few more years after the war was over. For many years Russia controlled 100% of Romania politically and economically. Romania had to pay back Russia because Romania fought against them. It was a lot of poverty during those years, on top a two year drought. Any "Leu" (the name of Romanian currency) saved was a loaf of bread on the table. This is the reason that semi-postal stamps were not used for postage. Some sets were printed in huge quantities, as revenues for Government, but is extremely difficult to find a genuine semi-postal stamp used for postage. I was born in Romania almost when the war started and I remember my childhood years during those years. I was almost to die when Americans bombarded Ploiesti. Even now in my brain exists a ball of fire, which is not going away. Sorry for my English mistakes (second language for me), but war is a horrible thing. And sorry for this long note, but I wanted to explain the situation with so many semi-postal stamps. Virgil

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Tom in Exton, PA
25 Sep 2018
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re: Hooray!! I finally finished albumin' my Romanian collection!

"I have to admit it felt weird last night working on a country that didn't have "Posta Romania" or "RP Romania" on it"



OP hasn't been on the board for a couple of years, but I understand how he felt. When I finally finished getting the New Jersey cover collection into albums I had no idea what to do with myself!

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