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Europe/Other : Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

 

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MinorFaults
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14 Nov 2014
05:30:31pm
I have a Belgian Official, Scott O18, issued in 1932, and the cancellation has me puzzled.

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It looks like "HANDEL KUNST(LER)" to me, but anybody with better eyes and a deeper knowledge of Belgian cancels can correct me.

I'm guessing it's some kind of slogan cancel, with the name of the post office itself off-stamp, at the top, and no posting date visible. Wikipedia tells me Flemish is a Belgian version of Dutch, and Google Translate spews out "trade Kunstler" if I try Dutch (translation to or from Flemish isn't provided), and "trade artist" if I try German, which is a little better.

Why would a German cancellation appear on a Belgian stamp? I can't discern a date, but could this stamp have been used during the German Occupation (1940-44)? Scott doesn't list any Occupation stamps at all for the WW2 period.

Anybody have a clue what it is I'm looking at?

Thanks.

MinorFaults

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15 Nov 2014
05:58:12am
re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Hi MinorFaults,

I read the first three words at the bottom as "HANDEL KUNST EN", i.e. "Commercial Art and" in Dutch/Flemish.

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15 Nov 2014
01:48:15pm
re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Nigelc:

Man, I wish I had better eyes. That does help.

Thanks.

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15 Nov 2014
02:44:02pm

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I think it should be translated Commerce, Arts and Industry. The last one is an educated guess. I suspect the Dutch word thatis missing is Nijverheid which translates as Industry. It is a combination of words one would expect for some sort of official department.

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15 Nov 2014
02:48:22pm
re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Hi MinorFaults and Jansimon,

I was wondering if the cancellation could read something like:

MECHELEN

STAD VAN

HANDEL KUNST EN ...

(I'm guessing Mechelen here but it seems to me to be the right kind of town).

Mechelen - City of Commercial Art (or Commerce, Arts) and ...

Nigel

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15 Nov 2014
03:14:06pm
re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Aha!!

Now that makes perfect sense. Not exactly a slogan cancel, in the sense of "Buy War Bonds" or "Help Beautify America", as we've had here in the US, and which usually appear outside the CDS, but still a promotional cancel of a kind that now makes perfect sense when used on official correspondence.

I've never seen this type of cancel before, but I'll be on the lookout now for more.

Thanks for your help. You rock!

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15 Nov 2014
03:27:41pm
re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

A little more research on the Interwebs yields this:

"Mechelen is one of Flanders' prominent cities of historical art, with Antwerp, Bruges, Brussels, Ghent, and Leuven. It was notably a centre for artistic production during the Northern Renaissance, when painters, printmakers, illuminators and composers of polyphony were attracted by patrons such as Margaret of York, Margaret of Austria and Jeroen Van Busleyden."

-- Wikipedia. Retrieved November 15, 2014.

And also:

"Historically famous Mechlinian trades: laken (woollen cloth), tapestries, cordwain, Mechlin lace (precious bobbin lace, already from the early 18th century), wood carving and sculpturing, furniture.

Mechelen was at the heart of the revival of the carillon in the early 20th century, and hosts its principal school in the world to this day."

-- Wikipedia. Retrieved November 15, 2014.

So, thanks again.

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14 Nov 2014
05:30:31pm

I have a Belgian Official, Scott O18, issued in 1932, and the cancellation has me puzzled.

Image Not Found

It looks like "HANDEL KUNST(LER)" to me, but anybody with better eyes and a deeper knowledge of Belgian cancels can correct me.

I'm guessing it's some kind of slogan cancel, with the name of the post office itself off-stamp, at the top, and no posting date visible. Wikipedia tells me Flemish is a Belgian version of Dutch, and Google Translate spews out "trade Kunstler" if I try Dutch (translation to or from Flemish isn't provided), and "trade artist" if I try German, which is a little better.

Why would a German cancellation appear on a Belgian stamp? I can't discern a date, but could this stamp have been used during the German Occupation (1940-44)? Scott doesn't list any Occupation stamps at all for the WW2 period.

Anybody have a clue what it is I'm looking at?

Thanks.

MinorFaults

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15 Nov 2014
05:58:12am

re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Hi MinorFaults,

I read the first three words at the bottom as "HANDEL KUNST EN", i.e. "Commercial Art and" in Dutch/Flemish.

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15 Nov 2014
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re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Nigelc:

Man, I wish I had better eyes. That does help.

Thanks.

MinorFaults

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15 Nov 2014
02:44:02pm

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re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

I think it should be translated Commerce, Arts and Industry. The last one is an educated guess. I suspect the Dutch word thatis missing is Nijverheid which translates as Industry. It is a combination of words one would expect for some sort of official department.

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15 Nov 2014
02:48:22pm

re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Hi MinorFaults and Jansimon,

I was wondering if the cancellation could read something like:

MECHELEN

STAD VAN

HANDEL KUNST EN ...

(I'm guessing Mechelen here but it seems to me to be the right kind of town).

Mechelen - City of Commercial Art (or Commerce, Arts) and ...

Nigel

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MinorFaults

15 Nov 2014
03:14:06pm

re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

Aha!!

Now that makes perfect sense. Not exactly a slogan cancel, in the sense of "Buy War Bonds" or "Help Beautify America", as we've had here in the US, and which usually appear outside the CDS, but still a promotional cancel of a kind that now makes perfect sense when used on official correspondence.

I've never seen this type of cancel before, but I'll be on the lookout now for more.

Thanks for your help. You rock!

MinorFaults

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"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once."
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15 Nov 2014
03:27:41pm

re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation

A little more research on the Interwebs yields this:

"Mechelen is one of Flanders' prominent cities of historical art, with Antwerp, Bruges, Brussels, Ghent, and Leuven. It was notably a centre for artistic production during the Northern Renaissance, when painters, printmakers, illuminators and composers of polyphony were attracted by patrons such as Margaret of York, Margaret of Austria and Jeroen Van Busleyden."

-- Wikipedia. Retrieved November 15, 2014.

And also:

"Historically famous Mechlinian trades: laken (woollen cloth), tapestries, cordwain, Mechlin lace (precious bobbin lace, already from the early 18th century), wood carving and sculpturing, furniture.

Mechelen was at the heart of the revival of the carillon in the early 20th century, and hosts its principal school in the world to this day."

-- Wikipedia. Retrieved November 15, 2014.

So, thanks again.

MinorFaults

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