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It looks like "HANDEL KUNST(LER)" to me, but anybody with better eyes and a deeper knowledge of Belgian cancels can correct me.
I'm guessing it's some kind of slogan cancel, with the name of the post office itself off-stamp, at the top, and no posting date visible. Wikipedia tells me Flemish is a Belgian version of Dutch, and Google Translate spews out "trade Kunstler" if I try Dutch (translation to or from Flemish isn't provided), and "trade artist" if I try German, which is a little better.
Why would a German cancellation appear on a Belgian stamp? I can't discern a date, but could this stamp have been used during the German Occupation (1940-44)? Scott doesn't list any Occupation stamps at all for the WW2 period.
Anybody have a clue what it is I'm looking at?
Thanks.
MinorFaults
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Hi MinorFaults,
I read the first three words at the bottom as "HANDEL KUNST EN", i.e. "Commercial Art and" in Dutch/Flemish.
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Nigelc:
Man, I wish I had better eyes. That does help.
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I think it should be translated Commerce, Arts and Industry. The last one is an educated guess. I suspect the Dutch word thatis missing is Nijverheid which translates as Industry. It is a combination of words one would expect for some sort of official department.
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Hi MinorFaults and Jansimon,
I was wondering if the cancellation could read something like:
MECHELEN
STAD VAN
HANDEL KUNST EN ...
(I'm guessing Mechelen here but it seems to me to be the right kind of town).
Mechelen - City of Commercial Art (or Commerce, Arts) and ...
Nigel
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Aha!!
Now that makes perfect sense. Not exactly a slogan cancel, in the sense of "Buy War Bonds" or "Help Beautify America", as we've had here in the US, and which usually appear outside the CDS, but still a promotional cancel of a kind that now makes perfect sense when used on official correspondence.
I've never seen this type of cancel before, but I'll be on the lookout now for more.
Thanks for your help. You rock!
MinorFaults
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A little more research on the Interwebs yields this:
"Mechelen is one of Flanders' prominent cities of historical art, with Antwerp, Bruges, Brussels, Ghent, and Leuven. It was notably a centre for artistic production during the Northern Renaissance, when painters, printmakers, illuminators and composers of polyphony were attracted by patrons such as Margaret of York, Margaret of Austria and Jeroen Van Busleyden."
And also:
"Historically famous Mechlinian trades: laken (woollen cloth), tapestries, cordwain, Mechlin lace (precious bobbin lace, already from the early 18th century), wood carving and sculpturing, furniture.
Mechelen was at the heart of the revival of the carillon in the early 20th century, and hosts its principal school in the world to this day."
So, thanks again.
MinorFaults
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I have a Belgian Official, Scott O18, issued in 1932, and the cancellation has me puzzled.
It looks like "HANDEL KUNST(LER)" to me, but anybody with better eyes and a deeper knowledge of Belgian cancels can correct me.
I'm guessing it's some kind of slogan cancel, with the name of the post office itself off-stamp, at the top, and no posting date visible. Wikipedia tells me Flemish is a Belgian version of Dutch, and Google Translate spews out "trade Kunstler" if I try Dutch (translation to or from Flemish isn't provided), and "trade artist" if I try German, which is a little better.
Why would a German cancellation appear on a Belgian stamp? I can't discern a date, but could this stamp have been used during the German Occupation (1940-44)? Scott doesn't list any Occupation stamps at all for the WW2 period.
Anybody have a clue what it is I'm looking at?
Thanks.
MinorFaults
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Hi MinorFaults,
I read the first three words at the bottom as "HANDEL KUNST EN", i.e. "Commercial Art and" in Dutch/Flemish.
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re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation
Nigelc:
Man, I wish I had better eyes. That does help.
Thanks.
MinorFaults
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re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation
I think it should be translated Commerce, Arts and Industry. The last one is an educated guess. I suspect the Dutch word thatis missing is Nijverheid which translates as Industry. It is a combination of words one would expect for some sort of official department.
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re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation
Hi MinorFaults and Jansimon,
I was wondering if the cancellation could read something like:
MECHELEN
STAD VAN
HANDEL KUNST EN ...
(I'm guessing Mechelen here but it seems to me to be the right kind of town).
Mechelen - City of Commercial Art (or Commerce, Arts) and ...
Nigel
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re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation
Aha!!
Now that makes perfect sense. Not exactly a slogan cancel, in the sense of "Buy War Bonds" or "Help Beautify America", as we've had here in the US, and which usually appear outside the CDS, but still a promotional cancel of a kind that now makes perfect sense when used on official correspondence.
I've never seen this type of cancel before, but I'll be on the lookout now for more.
Thanks for your help. You rock!
MinorFaults
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re: Belgium (Scott O18): Need help with cancellation
A little more research on the Interwebs yields this:
"Mechelen is one of Flanders' prominent cities of historical art, with Antwerp, Bruges, Brussels, Ghent, and Leuven. It was notably a centre for artistic production during the Northern Renaissance, when painters, printmakers, illuminators and composers of polyphony were attracted by patrons such as Margaret of York, Margaret of Austria and Jeroen Van Busleyden."
And also:
"Historically famous Mechlinian trades: laken (woollen cloth), tapestries, cordwain, Mechlin lace (precious bobbin lace, already from the early 18th century), wood carving and sculpturing, furniture.
Mechelen was at the heart of the revival of the carillon in the early 20th century, and hosts its principal school in the world to this day."
So, thanks again.
MinorFaults
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