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malcolm197
12 Nov 2014
11:32:15am
I have a 14c parliament sheet stamp postmark Ste-Clothilde ( Clothilde with an h) 24.II.78.Pmk is 23mm in diameter, and as it is on a very small piece I am unable to see whether there is a slogan attatched or whether it is a cds on its own ( but I suspect the latter).

I have checked fallingrain and wikipedia, and it appears there are 3 candidates for this location, (variously spelled today with or without the h)-

de Chateaugenay J0L 1W0 (pop1704)
de Beauce G0N 1C0 (pop650 )
de Horton J0A 1H0 (pop 1616)

Now as the suffix does not appear on the postmark,presumably only one of these cancelled mail at that time. Judging by the population, the second has to be the least likely.but I really have no idea.

Can any Quebec inhabitant or other Canadian supply me with the definitive answer. Gut feeling is the first,as de Horton seems to have been the subject of some civic messing-about in the meantime.

Malcolm

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bhsxvet
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09 Feb 2016
09:26:40pm
re: Ste.Clothilde, PQ postmark

I know this is an old thread but as there was no response to it my curiosity got the better of me and I had to go looking.
By looking for "Sainte-Clothilde" at Natural Resources Canada where they have a geographical names look-up I came to this page
http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/EHZHP
which identifies it as a post office in Sainte-Clotilde-de-Horton; Arthabaska.
Then going to Canada Post for confirmation
https://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/fpo/personal/findPostOfficeDetail?outletId=%20g1976c476840b4c00_0000274488
It looks like the "h" may be variable. I think your postmark was applied at "27 RUE PRINCIPALE, SAINTE-CLOTHILDE-DE-HORTON QC J0A 1H0"

Perhaps this is old info but it gave me some search practice

Brian


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malcolm197
21 Mar 2016
03:42:18pm
re: Ste.Clothilde, PQ postmark

Well thanks for that. I find this sort of thing fascinating - particularly in the ever-more-centralised cancelling prevalent today.

I have decided to explore the websites you quote to see if I can set up a system for any future difficulties.

I have found in the past that fallingrain.com and wikipedia answer most questions, while some of the postcode sites are extremely frustrating if you are not trying to find a postcode for a "real" delivery address - postcodes for an area or village is not always easy.

Thank you for persevering with this for me. As usual finding the exact criteria for google searching is always the difficult bit.

Malcolm

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simothecat
22 Mar 2016
12:21:18am
re: Ste.Clothilde, PQ postmark

Here is a bit more confirmation.

The 1947 postal guide lists two postoffices. Ste. Clothilde, in Drummond-Arthabaska; and Ste. Clothilde de Chateauguay, in Chateauguay-Huntingdon.

It seems that the first is the older office, so didn't need a special identifier.

Jan

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malcolm197
22 Mar 2016
02:31:53am
re: Ste.Clothilde, PQ postmark

Thanks again.

I presume that at the time of my postmark (1978) either the other location had closed or was no longer postmarking items. The postmark concerned is not an old mark. It is of the type between the "heavier lettering" type of the 1940s and the postcode included type. I have similar neat lettered types from the 1960s and 1970s from other places so I think it is a standard office handstamp.

I am not looking to book a world-cruise on the proceeds, in fact I have no intention of selling, but I would imagine that there are not many copies of this postmark "in captivity".While there might have been considerable mail from this location I would guess that postal mechanization was well under way by this time, and most mail would be more centrally machine cancelled-although not on the scale of today. Perhaps this was local mail? The disadvantage of being in a foreign country is that you don't have the "folk memory" or common knowledge of the locals-and such information is not always recorded in an easily accessible format or location.

Interesting what you can find on a common stamp in cheap kiloware - if you are willing to look beyond the obvious !

Thank you again for the time you have taken to answer a fairly trivial enquiry.

Malcollm

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