Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Discussion - Member to Member Sales - Research Center
Wow! what a pair! Not only do they show the "secret mark", but they are both plate varieties. Imagine my surprise when I found the National I had just traded off my NBNC page also showed a lay out line exctly the first National had, only shifted slightly left, missing the period. Now its a trio and I'm not at all sure what I'm going to do.
Because the lay out lines were part of a grid of dots and lines used to align the transfer roll die and were burnished out or erased, these lines are very faint, and I have strengthened them for better visibilty.
First National is A, the Continental is B and the last National is C, in the order I "discovered" them.
A B
As even the strengthened lines are difficult to see, I've made a composite pic of enlarged scan...D
C
D
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Moderator: Would this discussion be best if it was the the United States catagory?
Yep. So, as you can see, I moved it. Thanks for the head's up.
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Thank you Bobby1948. As I mentioned in my pm, hope the topic will generate some discussion about the marks.
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A very nice 'catch'. First I've seen of those marks.Thanks for the sharing.
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Just re read my post and it seems that I neglected to ask the question that was the whole point of the post, and that is.. How should these stamps be sold? Sell them individually, or as a study group?
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These fine stamps would be of interest to a specialist, so selling them as a study group seems appropriate.
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"These fine stamps would be of interest to a specialist, so selling them as a study group seems appropriate."
That is my thought as well, however the catalogue value of the two National stamps is $440 and the Continental is valued at $140 for a total of $580. Of course those catalogue prices are for stamps in Fine Condition with Very Fine centering. These stamps are in fine condition, but they do have some faults, pulled perfs, centered fine and so on, no major faults, no tears, and the cancels are fairly light for the issue. I'm not real sure what to start the bidding at. I've still got some reading to do, if they are constant plate varieties, and from the extent of the tool marks and completeness of the lay out lines, I would think they are there will be something written about them.
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I have a few copies of U.S A. 1870-73 issue 12 cent bank notes that I have upgraded, and I was examining the stamps that I wanted to sell, looking for hidden defects with a stereo Microscope, a great "fly specking" tool. I was quite surprised to discover that the National Bank Note Co. stamp. Scott 151 showed a lay out line running from the top margin down through the square frame, the outer label oval, the edge of the period of U.S, the inner oval, the edge of the vignette, through the lower section of the oval, all three legs of the W of TWELVE out through the lower square frame and off the margin. The is also a mark possibly from a dropped spirographers tool at the ornament on the left side middle. Thats quite a line to leave unburnished on the plate. So, I placed the Sc 151 back in my stockbook with a bit more respect, and removed the Continental, Scott 162 from the book and placed it under the big Wolfe, and was again delighted to find a large tool mark from the left margin straight through the bottom edge of the U of U.S, across the inner oval, through the vignette, through Henry Clay's eyebrow and disappearing in his hair above his ear.
Wow! what a pair! Not only do they show the "secret mark", but they are both plate varieties. Imagine my surprise when I found the National I had just traded off my NBNC page also showed a lay out line exctly the first National had, only shifted slightly left, missing the period. Now its a trio and I'm not at all sure what I'm going to do.
Because the lay out lines were part of a grid of dots and lines used to align the transfer roll die and were burnished out or erased, these lines are very faint, and I have strengthened them for better visibilty.
First National is A, the Continental is B and the last National is C, in the order I "discovered" them.
A B
As even the strengthened lines are difficult to see, I've made a composite pic of enlarged scan...D
C
D
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Moderator: Would this discussion be best if it was the the United States catagory?
Yep. So, as you can see, I moved it. Thanks for the head's up.
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Thank you Bobby1948. As I mentioned in my pm, hope the topic will generate some discussion about the marks.
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A very nice 'catch'. First I've seen of those marks.Thanks for the sharing.
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Just re read my post and it seems that I neglected to ask the question that was the whole point of the post, and that is.. How should these stamps be sold? Sell them individually, or as a study group?
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These fine stamps would be of interest to a specialist, so selling them as a study group seems appropriate.
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"These fine stamps would be of interest to a specialist, so selling them as a study group seems appropriate."
That is my thought as well, however the catalogue value of the two National stamps is $440 and the Continental is valued at $140 for a total of $580. Of course those catalogue prices are for stamps in Fine Condition with Very Fine centering. These stamps are in fine condition, but they do have some faults, pulled perfs, centered fine and so on, no major faults, no tears, and the cancels are fairly light for the issue. I'm not real sure what to start the bidding at. I've still got some reading to do, if they are constant plate varieties, and from the extent of the tool marks and completeness of the lay out lines, I would think they are there will be something written about them.
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