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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : squared circle cancels

 

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2010ccg

24 Jul 2014
07:40:20pm
Just wondering if there are any members collecting squared circle cancellations ?I found one in my stash and I became interested in the history of these cancels...I think there will be an addition to my postal history collection....I will be watching for more...... Cheryl
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24 Jul 2014
08:32:43pm
re: squared circle cancels

I am a student of the postage stamps of the British Commonwealth, and just love all the older Victorian postmarks - including the earlier numerical cancels and the later "squared-circle" cancellation.

Particularly, I am interested in the stamps of India Used Abroad, and several of such offices used such cancellations. I don't have many though, but a couple that I had already scanned are posted below.

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The first is a 2a6p (SC #46) used in Aden, a genuine India Used Abroad example. The second one shows a partial cancel from Rangoon (SC #O30) but I am looking for better examples from Rangoon. I wasn't that interested in postmarks earlier, so it is about time I looked back at my India Queen Victoria hoard for interesting marks.

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24 Jul 2014
09:01:50pm
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Junk stamp, but I see there is a chance that at least one other person may still like it ...

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2010ccg

24 Jul 2014
09:11:34pm
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Thankyou guys...I am hoping some of the members can provide more info....google has been great but I prefer hearing from collectors and the info/ and stories that they can share Cheryl

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24 Jul 2014
09:18:43pm
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"Junk stamp, but I see there is a chance that at least one other person may still like it"



Granted the stamp has faults, but the Zanzibar postmark is by no means "common". If it is junk for you, I wouldn't mind an exchange or even a sale! Don't discard it.

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24 Jul 2014
09:33:42pm
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24 Jul 2014
09:37:20pm
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"I am hoping some of the members can provide more info"



Can you specify what you mean by more information? Stanley Gibbons produces a catalogue named "Collect British Postmarks" which might be of interest to you. Stanley Cohen wrote entire book(s) on the subject of Squared Circle cancels ("Collecting British Squared Circle Cancels") although I suspect the modern Stanley Gibbons resources would borrow much from that work.

Two books that I have been looking for many years are "Early Indian Cancellations" and "India Used Abroad", both by Jal Cooper. The latter especially is a good resource for several such postmarks. They are also addressed, to some extent, in Stanley Gibbons' catalogue for India (or even the Commonwealth Catalogue - see Aden, Bahrain, Bandar-Abbas, Baghdad, Basrah, Bushire, and Zanzibar).

To the best of my knowledge, these cancels were simplex (ie. not duplex, there wasn't a separate date stamp and a cancellation). Use in England was quite popular, in the later years of Queen Victoria's reign. I am yet to see a stamp of King Edward VII with a squared-circle cancellation (that would be awesome!), so I believe they fell into disuse before the end of the 19th century.

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26 Jul 2014
01:57:48pm
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"I am yet to see a stamp of King Edward VII with a squared-circle cancellation (that would be awesome!), so I believe they fell into disuse before the end of the 19th century."


I take back that statement. I looked into my collection and found a King Edward VII stamp from Cyprus (Nikosia (Nicosia), 1905) with a squared-circle cancellation. Now, I really want to discover a King George V example!
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26 Jul 2014
06:29:21pm
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This is the latest date of any GB covers that I have in my database:

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Here is a 1917 Jamaica example. It is the latest date I have from any country:

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26 Jul 2014
08:45:17pm
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Awesome! From some random searches online, it appears that the squared-circle cancel from Nicosia was active till at least 1906, if not later. And being a "big town", I suppose it is common as well.

Roy, the two you posted seem to be the revised versions of the cancel. The earliest ones had circle with four flat bars on each corner (like the Zanzibar example). Later cancels often show three bars (like the Aden or Rangoon I posted).

At some point of time, this design seems to have been revised, for the outer bars seem to be also curved. I should check my Cyprus example again - I have a feeling it also has the same curved appearance.

(Note to myself: Get hold of Stanley Gibbons' "Collect British Postmarks" or other resource)

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2010ccg

26 Jul 2014
09:43:04pm
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Very interesting....

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26 Jul 2014
10:16:44pm
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And then, of course, there are many different Canadian types:

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28 Jul 2014
06:25:12pm
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Finally, I managed to scan some of my other examples for the squared-cancel postmarks. Here are three from them. The Cardiff one is interesting because it shows a numeral ("7") in one of the corners. The Bristol one show a numeral ("8") cutting the circle. There are also other (at least one) breaks in the circle as well. The time shows 6:55pm, but the 55 is upside down.

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We looked at several different varieties of the squared circlepostmarks. Here's a gist:
1. Circle and Straight Bars:
a. Four bars (eg. Zanzibar)
b. Three bars (eg. Aden, Rangoon)
2. Circle and Curved Bars:
a. Four bars, each set almost quarter circle (eg. Sennen)
b. Four bars, each set spanning less (eg. Kingston, also Nicosia)
ba. With numeral "cutting" the inner circle (eg. Bristol)
c. Three bars (eg. ?)
ca. With numeral in one corner (eg. Cardiff)
d. Two bars, pretty small (eg. Newcastle on Tyne)
3. Square without a true circle
a. Thick bars (eg. Strathroy)
b. Thin bars with thick center (eg. Shannonville)

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2010ccg

28 Jul 2014
07:30:14pm
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Awesome Thankyou guys for all your help!Happy

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2010ccg

24 Jul 2014
07:40:20pm

Just wondering if there are any members collecting squared circle cancellations ?I found one in my stash and I became interested in the history of these cancels...I think there will be an addition to my postal history collection....I will be watching for more...... Cheryl

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ThePhilatelist

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24 Jul 2014
08:32:43pm

re: squared circle cancels

I am a student of the postage stamps of the British Commonwealth, and just love all the older Victorian postmarks - including the earlier numerical cancels and the later "squared-circle" cancellation.

Particularly, I am interested in the stamps of India Used Abroad, and several of such offices used such cancellations. I don't have many though, but a couple that I had already scanned are posted below.

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The first is a 2a6p (SC #46) used in Aden, a genuine India Used Abroad example. The second one shows a partial cancel from Rangoon (SC #O30) but I am looking for better examples from Rangoon. I wasn't that interested in postmarks earlier, so it is about time I looked back at my India Queen Victoria hoard for interesting marks.

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24 Jul 2014
09:01:50pm

re: squared circle cancels

Junk stamp, but I see there is a chance that at least one other person may still like it ...

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2010ccg

24 Jul 2014
09:11:34pm

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Thankyou guys...I am hoping some of the members can provide more info....google has been great but I prefer hearing from collectors and the info/ and stories that they can share Cheryl

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ThePhilatelist

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24 Jul 2014
09:18:43pm

re: squared circle cancels

"Junk stamp, but I see there is a chance that at least one other person may still like it"



Granted the stamp has faults, but the Zanzibar postmark is by no means "common". If it is junk for you, I wouldn't mind an exchange or even a sale! Don't discard it.

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24 Jul 2014
09:33:42pm

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ThePhilatelist

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24 Jul 2014
09:37:20pm

re: squared circle cancels

"I am hoping some of the members can provide more info"



Can you specify what you mean by more information? Stanley Gibbons produces a catalogue named "Collect British Postmarks" which might be of interest to you. Stanley Cohen wrote entire book(s) on the subject of Squared Circle cancels ("Collecting British Squared Circle Cancels") although I suspect the modern Stanley Gibbons resources would borrow much from that work.

Two books that I have been looking for many years are "Early Indian Cancellations" and "India Used Abroad", both by Jal Cooper. The latter especially is a good resource for several such postmarks. They are also addressed, to some extent, in Stanley Gibbons' catalogue for India (or even the Commonwealth Catalogue - see Aden, Bahrain, Bandar-Abbas, Baghdad, Basrah, Bushire, and Zanzibar).

To the best of my knowledge, these cancels were simplex (ie. not duplex, there wasn't a separate date stamp and a cancellation). Use in England was quite popular, in the later years of Queen Victoria's reign. I am yet to see a stamp of King Edward VII with a squared-circle cancellation (that would be awesome!), so I believe they fell into disuse before the end of the 19th century.

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ThePhilatelist

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26 Jul 2014
01:57:48pm

re: squared circle cancels

"I am yet to see a stamp of King Edward VII with a squared-circle cancellation (that would be awesome!), so I believe they fell into disuse before the end of the 19th century."


I take back that statement. I looked into my collection and found a King Edward VII stamp from Cyprus (Nikosia (Nicosia), 1905) with a squared-circle cancellation. Now, I really want to discover a King George V example!
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26 Jul 2014
06:29:21pm

re: squared circle cancels

This is the latest date of any GB covers that I have in my database:

Image Not Found

Here is a 1917 Jamaica example. It is the latest date I have from any country:

Image Not Found

Roy

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ThePhilatelist

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26 Jul 2014
08:45:17pm

re: squared circle cancels

Awesome! From some random searches online, it appears that the squared-circle cancel from Nicosia was active till at least 1906, if not later. And being a "big town", I suppose it is common as well.

Roy, the two you posted seem to be the revised versions of the cancel. The earliest ones had circle with four flat bars on each corner (like the Zanzibar example). Later cancels often show three bars (like the Aden or Rangoon I posted).

At some point of time, this design seems to have been revised, for the outer bars seem to be also curved. I should check my Cyprus example again - I have a feeling it also has the same curved appearance.

(Note to myself: Get hold of Stanley Gibbons' "Collect British Postmarks" or other resource)

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2010ccg

26 Jul 2014
09:43:04pm

re: squared circle cancels

Very interesting....

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26 Jul 2014
10:16:44pm

re: squared circle cancels

And then, of course, there are many different Canadian types:

Image Not Found

Image Not Found
(Back of letter card)

Image Not Found
(Front of letter card)

Roy

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"Over 7,000 new covers coming Wednesday March 20. See my homepage for details."

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ThePhilatelist

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28 Jul 2014
06:25:12pm

re: squared circle cancels

Finally, I managed to scan some of my other examples for the squared-cancel postmarks. Here are three from them. The Cardiff one is interesting because it shows a numeral ("7") in one of the corners. The Bristol one show a numeral ("8") cutting the circle. There are also other (at least one) breaks in the circle as well. The time shows 6:55pm, but the 55 is upside down.

Image Not Found

We looked at several different varieties of the squared circlepostmarks. Here's a gist:
1. Circle and Straight Bars:
a. Four bars (eg. Zanzibar)
b. Three bars (eg. Aden, Rangoon)
2. Circle and Curved Bars:
a. Four bars, each set almost quarter circle (eg. Sennen)
b. Four bars, each set spanning less (eg. Kingston, also Nicosia)
ba. With numeral "cutting" the inner circle (eg. Bristol)
c. Three bars (eg. ?)
ca. With numeral in one corner (eg. Cardiff)
d. Two bars, pretty small (eg. Newcastle on Tyne)
3. Square without a true circle
a. Thick bars (eg. Strathroy)
b. Thin bars with thick center (eg. Shannonville)

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2010ccg

28 Jul 2014
07:30:14pm

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Awesome Thankyou guys for all your help!Happy

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