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We have several scattered around the board on different posts, like Linus' QV stamps with Victoria, BC cancels or Ningpo's (Clive's) Kai Tak killer cancel on QE2 stamps.
Here's a set of my favorites among my HK collection. These are MNH with some toning on the gum. The HK collectors will know immediately what these are, I'm sure.
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Multiple Jubilee overprints? Very impressive. I don't suppose you found those among some kiloware. 
When did you obtain these?
I have no mint multiples, only a used strip which includes a broken '1'.
Did you see the recent eBay sale of a Jubilee dated 21 Jan 91 ?
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Here's the only Jubilee overprint image I have in my library, from my collection. It's a bit distorted as it's a photo and not a scan. It has a straight line Canton, treaty port cancel:
This is not a common cancel. The relatively late date for this issue (JU ?2), might indicate non-philatelic use.
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The pen stroke also implicates revenue use.
The mint strips were my uncle's; he had given me his entire collection, which included this set of two strips that he purchased in HK in the 1950s. He had them sitting in a glassine envelope beneath a bunch of QE2 definitives! It was a case of someone buying something that he was told would be a nice investment, and never looking up the value; he didn't consult catalogues but only collected what he wanted. This was the remarkable exception to his collection.
This block came from another uncle; sometimes it pays being the only one of my generation who still collects stamnps.
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I take it this is the 12c from the 1901 issue?
A very fresh, attractive block.
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Correct ID. Mint never hinged/unmounted mint.
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OOOH, I am SOOO jealous!!
Keep the pics coming! 
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I like the unusual. So here are three pieces, each with US Philippines stamps with HK CDS cancels. I have not verified the authenticity of these strikes but they appear valid for the design and time frame for the cancels.
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I only have one intact cover with QV HK stamps. Always on the lookout for more but these can get incredibly expensive.
This one is to Boston. Is the 3 cents mark for postage due or extra postage at arrival?
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The Hong Kong to Boston cover shown by cocollectibles, is an example of the complex and at times confusing mail rates of that era.
The rate paid here was 42 cents, which was the correct rate for a ½ ounce letter between 1 Jan 1868 and 31 Dec 1869, for transmission via Marseilles.
Usually, the rate was written in manuscript (in this case, purple coloured crayon), in Sterling. But here there appears to be an error. 42 cents equated to 1 shilling and 9d (1/9) but if my reading is correct, the Sterling rate has been written as 1/8.
The manuscript '1' (1d) in purple is Hong Kong's share of the fee; or 2 cents.
Furthermore, the '3 cents' marking, is the United States share of the fee for inland transmission. But this too appears to be wrong. This, according to the table I referenced, should have been 10 cents.
The above information was obtained from HONG KONG and THE TREATY PORTS by Arthur White. However, as with much Hong Kong reference material, it is not written particularly well and does itself further confuse matters.
Nonetheless, the '3 cents' handstamped marking is not an indication of underpayment (postage due).
According to the same source, the letter took the following route:
From Hong kong to Ceylon (via Penang and Singapore) to
Suez (then overland across Egypt) to
Alexandria (then by British or French packet) to
Marseilles (via Malta, then overland through France) to
Calais
London
Boston
It's not possible to work out the total transmission time as the backstamp(s) haven't been shown, nor is the London 'Paid' postmark clear enough.
Finally, the elliptical (?) forwarding agent's cachet may be an 'unknown', as I can find no reference to it in White's book (which is not that significant as he has only documented his own material), nor in Webb.
EDIT
I have just realised that the manuscript '1/8' may be the fee MINUS Hong Kong's share of 1d (2 cents).
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Thanks for showing the classic Hong Kong in multiples and on cover...Very Nice, as a world wide collector i have classic singles but thats about it..but for whatever reason, this is one of my favorite stamps !
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Here's the one that goes with the $1.30 (which I prefer):
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Peter's original post started a couple years ago talked about Hong Kong's "more intriguing, interesting, etc. items."
Every country has its "sexiest" stamp issues... Trans-Miss., Columbians, Penny Black, early North Borneo, Cape of Good Hope triangles etc. etc...
Honk Kong is an EXTREMELY popular collecting area. What are the "go to" stamps to look for when evaluating an HK collection?
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I could just state the "bleedin' obvious" and say go to the highest catalogue listed stamp issues.
But somehow I think this wasn't quite what you meant. Could you perhaps qualify your question? Do you mean just stamps, or all the other collecting fields associated with HK? Are you asking about how to judge the condition of material one should look for? Are you perhaps asking about scarcity of certain material, which is not necessarily obvious from the catalogue listings, nor indeed included in the catalogue?
Just want to make sure any answers that are given don't completely miss the point.
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Thanks Clive...
You got it. What makes a cool HK collection?
If you were giving a crash course on collecting HK what would be the highlights? Is there a "golden age" of HK stamps? What about postal history?
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For me it is the QV/KEVII period - you have choice of
HK
Treaty Ports cancels
Shipping Marks
Arrival Abroad postmarks
perfins and security markings
Now think of the route and reason for this letter posted from Shanghai to Salisbury in Rhodesia... - that for me is interesting
and what is the story behind this cancellation and marking - currently unknown...
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or this Buenos Aires arrival mark - not a standard mail route for HK...
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Hey Will, THANK YOU for sharing these great images! Maybe you could elaborate a little on what makes these marks noteworthy... Take us (me) to school.
-Ernie
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I thought I would get some reactions from the HK bunch....
Something from my Specialist HK collection......
My name is Charles and I collect all periods of HK stamps and postal history (Specialist items only) and everything related to old Hong Kong.....Photos, cards, documents etc....
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Hello Charles,
A member on this board had a book printed of sketches made by his uncle during interment at Sham Shui PO, a POW camp for prisoners from Hong Kong. Very interesting book. I tried to find the thread on this site but I am unable to. The member goes by the user name cocollectibles. Hopefully he will see this post and give you information on his book.
Here is a link to the web site where you can order the book as a hard copy or PDF file.
http://www.blurb.com/b/6565502-souvenir-of-sham-shui-po
Vince
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Hello Charles,
Welcome to Stamporama. Thanks for sharing a scan of your nice revenue stamp, postally used. I will probably never afford that stamp in my HK collection. Feel free to share other items in your collection. It is always nice to have another Hong Kong and China collector on the board. I have been a member here for 10 years now. This is a great group of collectors with a wide variety of interests, and you can learn something new everyday here.
Linus
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how about this
not exactly on a normal shipping routes from Hong Kong
Portugese Timor
Martinque in the Caribbean
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Very Impressive.....indeed William....
I will call and raise you 8c .... !
Hong Kong stamps were permited for use in the Straits Settlements (Singapore) up until the year 1867 when stamps were first produced..
Some Hong Kong stamps continued to be used after and throughout this period for mail forwarded through Hong Kong to Chinese, Japanese, and United States destinations....
This is an exceedingly rare example of the Hong Kong late Oct 1864 8c CC wmk cancelled by "D14" killer, it would have paid the single 8c rate....
To find an example of such a usage is rare, only a handful are recorded, to find an incredibly good strike so well centred is just exceptional....
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I raise you this 16c Yellow
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I fold !
you win !
very nice stamp....
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I thought I'd start a thread where Hong Kong collectors can display their more intriguing, interesting, etc. items.
We have several scattered around the board on different posts, like Linus' QV stamps with Victoria, BC cancels or Ningpo's (Clive's) Kai Tak killer cancel on QE2 stamps.
Here's a set of my favorites among my HK collection. These are MNH with some toning on the gum. The HK collectors will know immediately what these are, I'm sure.
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Multiple Jubilee overprints? Very impressive. I don't suppose you found those among some kiloware. When did you obtain these?
I have no mint multiples, only a used strip which includes a broken '1'.
Did you see the recent eBay sale of a Jubilee dated 21 Jan 91 ?
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Here's the only Jubilee overprint image I have in my library, from my collection. It's a bit distorted as it's a photo and not a scan. It has a straight line Canton, treaty port cancel:
This is not a common cancel. The relatively late date for this issue (JU ?2), might indicate non-philatelic use.
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The pen stroke also implicates revenue use.
The mint strips were my uncle's; he had given me his entire collection, which included this set of two strips that he purchased in HK in the 1950s. He had them sitting in a glassine envelope beneath a bunch of QE2 definitives! It was a case of someone buying something that he was told would be a nice investment, and never looking up the value; he didn't consult catalogues but only collected what he wanted. This was the remarkable exception to his collection.
This block came from another uncle; sometimes it pays being the only one of my generation who still collects stamnps.
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I take it this is the 12c from the 1901 issue?
A very fresh, attractive block.
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04:43:14pm
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Correct ID. Mint never hinged/unmounted mint.
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OOOH, I am SOOO jealous!!
Keep the pics coming!
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07:10:19pm
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I like the unusual. So here are three pieces, each with US Philippines stamps with HK CDS cancels. I have not verified the authenticity of these strikes but they appear valid for the design and time frame for the cancels.
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07:11:56pm
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I only have one intact cover with QV HK stamps. Always on the lookout for more but these can get incredibly expensive.
This one is to Boston. Is the 3 cents mark for postage due or extra postage at arrival?
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The Hong Kong to Boston cover shown by cocollectibles, is an example of the complex and at times confusing mail rates of that era.
The rate paid here was 42 cents, which was the correct rate for a ½ ounce letter between 1 Jan 1868 and 31 Dec 1869, for transmission via Marseilles.
Usually, the rate was written in manuscript (in this case, purple coloured crayon), in Sterling. But here there appears to be an error. 42 cents equated to 1 shilling and 9d (1/9) but if my reading is correct, the Sterling rate has been written as 1/8.
The manuscript '1' (1d) in purple is Hong Kong's share of the fee; or 2 cents.
Furthermore, the '3 cents' marking, is the United States share of the fee for inland transmission. But this too appears to be wrong. This, according to the table I referenced, should have been 10 cents.
The above information was obtained from HONG KONG and THE TREATY PORTS by Arthur White. However, as with much Hong Kong reference material, it is not written particularly well and does itself further confuse matters.
Nonetheless, the '3 cents' handstamped marking is not an indication of underpayment (postage due).
According to the same source, the letter took the following route:
From Hong kong to Ceylon (via Penang and Singapore) to
Suez (then overland across Egypt) to
Alexandria (then by British or French packet) to
Marseilles (via Malta, then overland through France) to
Calais
London
Boston
It's not possible to work out the total transmission time as the backstamp(s) haven't been shown, nor is the London 'Paid' postmark clear enough.
Finally, the elliptical (?) forwarding agent's cachet may be an 'unknown', as I can find no reference to it in White's book (which is not that significant as he has only documented his own material), nor in Webb.
EDIT
I have just realised that the manuscript '1/8' may be the fee MINUS Hong Kong's share of 1d (2 cents).
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Thanks for showing the classic Hong Kong in multiples and on cover...Very Nice, as a world wide collector i have classic singles but thats about it..but for whatever reason, this is one of my favorite stamps !
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Here's the one that goes with the $1.30 (which I prefer):
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Peter's original post started a couple years ago talked about Hong Kong's "more intriguing, interesting, etc. items."
Every country has its "sexiest" stamp issues... Trans-Miss., Columbians, Penny Black, early North Borneo, Cape of Good Hope triangles etc. etc...
Honk Kong is an EXTREMELY popular collecting area. What are the "go to" stamps to look for when evaluating an HK collection?
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I could just state the "bleedin' obvious" and say go to the highest catalogue listed stamp issues.
But somehow I think this wasn't quite what you meant. Could you perhaps qualify your question? Do you mean just stamps, or all the other collecting fields associated with HK? Are you asking about how to judge the condition of material one should look for? Are you perhaps asking about scarcity of certain material, which is not necessarily obvious from the catalogue listings, nor indeed included in the catalogue?
Just want to make sure any answers that are given don't completely miss the point.
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04:37:37pm
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Thanks Clive...
You got it. What makes a cool HK collection?
If you were giving a crash course on collecting HK what would be the highlights? Is there a "golden age" of HK stamps? What about postal history?
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re: Hong Kong collections
For me it is the QV/KEVII period - you have choice of
HK
Treaty Ports cancels
Shipping Marks
Arrival Abroad postmarks
perfins and security markings
Now think of the route and reason for this letter posted from Shanghai to Salisbury in Rhodesia... - that for me is interesting
and what is the story behind this cancellation and marking - currently unknown...
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or this Buenos Aires arrival mark - not a standard mail route for HK...
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Hey Will, THANK YOU for sharing these great images! Maybe you could elaborate a little on what makes these marks noteworthy... Take us (me) to school.
-Ernie
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I thought I would get some reactions from the HK bunch....
Something from my Specialist HK collection......
My name is Charles and I collect all periods of HK stamps and postal history (Specialist items only) and everything related to old Hong Kong.....Photos, cards, documents etc....
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Hello Charles,
A member on this board had a book printed of sketches made by his uncle during interment at Sham Shui PO, a POW camp for prisoners from Hong Kong. Very interesting book. I tried to find the thread on this site but I am unable to. The member goes by the user name cocollectibles. Hopefully he will see this post and give you information on his book.
Here is a link to the web site where you can order the book as a hard copy or PDF file.
http://www.blurb.com/b/6565502-souvenir-of-sham-shui-po
Vince
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Hello Charles,
Welcome to Stamporama. Thanks for sharing a scan of your nice revenue stamp, postally used. I will probably never afford that stamp in my HK collection. Feel free to share other items in your collection. It is always nice to have another Hong Kong and China collector on the board. I have been a member here for 10 years now. This is a great group of collectors with a wide variety of interests, and you can learn something new everyday here.
Linus
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how about this
not exactly on a normal shipping routes from Hong Kong
Portugese Timor
Martinque in the Caribbean
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Very Impressive.....indeed William....
I will call and raise you 8c .... !
Hong Kong stamps were permited for use in the Straits Settlements (Singapore) up until the year 1867 when stamps were first produced..
Some Hong Kong stamps continued to be used after and throughout this period for mail forwarded through Hong Kong to Chinese, Japanese, and United States destinations....
This is an exceedingly rare example of the Hong Kong late Oct 1864 8c CC wmk cancelled by "D14" killer, it would have paid the single 8c rate....
To find an example of such a usage is rare, only a handful are recorded, to find an incredibly good strike so well centred is just exceptional....
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I raise you this 16c Yellow
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I fold !
you win !
very nice stamp....
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