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I am having trouble finding this stamp in the catalog. Can anyone help me out here with a Scott number or other information?Thanks!
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In the Scott catalog, look at the back of the Great Britain listings. Your stamp is either Great Britain Offices in China #3(1917, wmk3) or #19(1922, wmk4). Based on the postmark, it is likely the later.
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The cancel is interesting. According to Webb, the definitive source on Hong Kong stamps, it appears to be a Type E cancel used with this treaty port.
"24 mm in diameter, and has small 3 mm letters which are quite widely spaced; there are full stops after Liu and Kung.
Type E: 24 mm c.d.s. LIU.KUNG.TAU round the top, 3 mm letters
Earliest date known: 10 October 1925
Latest date known: 28 June 1930"
Your stamp appears to have a May date, which would place it earlier than the documented earliest date known.
Peter
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What is the 2-letter abbreviation they used for July? Either way, it would still be EKU. Good spot, Cocollectibles!
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Thanks to all who have so far helped me with this cover. If Webb is the primary source for this stuff, what is the current earliest date?
From here it appears that this cover reads as follows in the CDS: C/?Y 4/25
The Shanghai back stamp appears to read: 10 ? ?5 (10)
So far it looks like a mailing date of some day in 1925, but if there is an interpretation of all the letters in the CDS, perhaps we can be more specific. However, this is way beyond my knowledge of this area, so all help is very much appreciated.
CaliforniaBob
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The full reference for Webb is:
F. W. Webb "The Philatelic and Postal History of Hong Kong and the Treaty Ports of China and Japan", Royal Philatelic Society, London. First published 1961, reprinted 1991, 1994. That's the most recent version. You can also check out the Hong Kong Study Circle, which is the definitive group for these items. HK Study Circle; I had put a link to this earlier in our Links section on SOR.
If this stamp is still on an intact cover, it greatly increases the value. The Shanghai back stamp is either an arrival cancel (if mailed to Shanghai) or an interim cancel en-route to its destination.
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Thank you both for your help on this stamp. I very much appreciate your helping me out in this area of philately where I'm quite inexperienced.
Thank you once again for sharing your knowledge in the true spirit of philately!
CaliforniaBob
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cocollectibles wrote:
"Your stamp appears to have a May date, which would place it earlier than the documented earliest date known."
To my eyes this is a July date; there appears to be a slight left curve and feint outline at foot.
Other than that, it appears to fit the Type E id. assuming that this type was used with an index letter (there is no specific mention in Webb in it's description). It seems likely this was an omission in the book, as indexing was more commonly used in larger, busy post offices.
A very nice find and perhaps worth notifying the Hong Kong Study Circle.
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I am having trouble finding this stamp in the catalog. Can anyone help me out here with a Scott number or other information?
Thanks!
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re: CHINA overprint on Hong Kong stamp, 1912-14
In the Scott catalog, look at the back of the Great Britain listings. Your stamp is either Great Britain Offices in China #3(1917, wmk3) or #19(1922, wmk4). Based on the postmark, it is likely the later.
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08:07:29am
re: CHINA overprint on Hong Kong stamp, 1912-14
The cancel is interesting. According to Webb, the definitive source on Hong Kong stamps, it appears to be a Type E cancel used with this treaty port.
"24 mm in diameter, and has small 3 mm letters which are quite widely spaced; there are full stops after Liu and Kung.
Type E: 24 mm c.d.s. LIU.KUNG.TAU round the top, 3 mm letters
Earliest date known: 10 October 1925
Latest date known: 28 June 1930"
Your stamp appears to have a May date, which would place it earlier than the documented earliest date known.
Peter
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re: CHINA overprint on Hong Kong stamp, 1912-14
What is the 2-letter abbreviation they used for July? Either way, it would still be EKU. Good spot, Cocollectibles!
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02:00:11pm
re: CHINA overprint on Hong Kong stamp, 1912-14
Thanks to all who have so far helped me with this cover. If Webb is the primary source for this stuff, what is the current earliest date?
From here it appears that this cover reads as follows in the CDS: C/?Y 4/25
The Shanghai back stamp appears to read: 10 ? ?5 (10)
So far it looks like a mailing date of some day in 1925, but if there is an interpretation of all the letters in the CDS, perhaps we can be more specific. However, this is way beyond my knowledge of this area, so all help is very much appreciated.
CaliforniaBob
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03:01:52pm
re: CHINA overprint on Hong Kong stamp, 1912-14
The full reference for Webb is:
F. W. Webb "The Philatelic and Postal History of Hong Kong and the Treaty Ports of China and Japan", Royal Philatelic Society, London. First published 1961, reprinted 1991, 1994. That's the most recent version. You can also check out the Hong Kong Study Circle, which is the definitive group for these items. HK Study Circle; I had put a link to this earlier in our Links section on SOR.
If this stamp is still on an intact cover, it greatly increases the value. The Shanghai back stamp is either an arrival cancel (if mailed to Shanghai) or an interim cancel en-route to its destination.
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05:31:19pm
re: CHINA overprint on Hong Kong stamp, 1912-14
Thank you both for your help on this stamp. I very much appreciate your helping me out in this area of philately where I'm quite inexperienced.
Thank you once again for sharing your knowledge in the true spirit of philately!
CaliforniaBob
(Modified by Moderator on 2014-06-22 18:11:45)
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re: CHINA overprint on Hong Kong stamp, 1912-14
cocollectibles wrote:
"Your stamp appears to have a May date, which would place it earlier than the documented earliest date known."
To my eyes this is a July date; there appears to be a slight left curve and feint outline at foot.
Other than that, it appears to fit the Type E id. assuming that this type was used with an index letter (there is no specific mention in Webb in it's description). It seems likely this was an omission in the book, as indexing was more commonly used in larger, busy post offices.
A very nice find and perhaps worth notifying the Hong Kong Study Circle.
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