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mbo1142
10 Jun 2014
06:55:08pm
Slow day here in South Texas, so thought I would show interesting application of postage on a cover. Wave

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10 Jun 2014
09:27:41pm
re: MAKING SURE YOU HAVE THE CORRECT POSTAGE

From Herman Herst, no less!

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11 Jun 2014
08:43:57am
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did the 1.25c PSE require any form (that is, was that PSE considered discounted postage and illegal for first class use without form 5620?)

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mbo1142
11 Jun 2014
09:18:43am
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Philatarium,

Nice catch on the Herst return address.

AMSD,

Good question. By its self you are probably correct, but with the proper postage added to make up the 22 cent rate it is OK or was missed by the post office. Postal rates and rules are not any where near my neighborhood of knowledge. I.E. It would never have entered my mind that the PSE was not usable. Guess I need to start a new line of study.

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11 Jun 2014
09:35:33am
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I have always assumed (and you know what assumptions are worth) that unless the stamp or stationary specifically states a purpose ("non profit," "bulk rate," etc.), that no permit is required.

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11 Jun 2014
11:13:50am
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Mel, Bobby,

I am not sure I am right on this.

the 1.25c rate was likely the non-profit 3rd class rate (it WAS several years later, in 1965, when another 1.25c PSE was issued with that service inscription). The PSE in question was issued in 1960. B&W might address this. And I don't know the restrictions on PSEs without service inscriptions. Today it would be illegal to use without certain requirements fulfilled first.

Herst certainly knew the rules and likely knew the tolerance for wiggle room at his Shrub Oak NY PO. How this fits.... I don't know.

Most of Herst's covers I've seen have been franked with secondary (discount) postage, some of it service-inscribed.

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Mike
11 Jun 2014
11:37:44am
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I use those "odd ball" amounts all of the time, when they are available. I also inquired at the USPO about a permit to use those types of stamps and the clerk told me there was no permit needed, just write "First class postage paid" under the stamps. Have had no problems since then and in fact there is a package on it's way to one of my buyers, with several of that type of stamps used as postage.

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11 Jun 2014
12:16:29pm
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"I have always assumed (and you know what assumptions are worth) that unless the stamp or stationary specifically states a purpose ("non profit," "bulk rate," etc.), that no permit is required."



That's correct. The older fractional stamps don't need a permit in order to use them. However, you will need a clerk who can add fractions!

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12 Jun 2014
03:09:30pm
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"I use those "odd ball" amounts all of the time, when they are available. I also inquired at the USPO about a permit to use those types of stamps and the clerk told me there was no permit needed, just write "First class postage paid" under the stamps. Have had no problems since then and in fact there is a package on it's way to one of my buyers, with several of that type of stamps used as postage."



Just to be clear, though, if you want to use SERVICE INSCRIBED stamps (e.g Bulk Rate) or precanceled stamps, you need a permit (available for free) - Form 3615. I used mine quite a lot when I was finishing up the Transportation Series!

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