When you asked in the other post I thought that is what you were thinking of. I have seen them many times before. But I have never felt the compulsion to add them to the hoard.
RevStampMan,
I was thinking about adding a SINGLE example as an oddity. Actually, ALL of my revenues are "oddities" since I don't collect them. I tried to put together a reasonable ensemble of revenue examples and would appreciate your critique. I don't have a federal marihuana stamp (RJM*), Camp stamp (RVC*), or Trailer Permit (RVT*) yet. If you see anything else I'm missing that's a major category, or if I have mislabeled anything, I'd appreciate your advice, and if you have any damaged examples of RJM*, RVC* or RVT*, I'd be interested in working out a deal.
Here are the relevant pages from my collection:
Lars, you dog you, what a lovely ensemble of the broad collecting field of Taxpaids. Thank you a bunch for the posting-each and every area has a ton of stuff that could be collected, should anyone get an appetite for a collection along a particular direction.
Thanks again for that.
Dan C.
Larsdog,
Wow, Very Nice!
You have the Scott types pretty well covered! Though you made a mistake in that you don't have a RVC. You DO have one on page 10 (bottom right). You also have a Very Nice selection of Tax Paids as well. You are missing a few types and style types. Off the top of my head you could add a 1st type Prop. (green and black, RB1-10), Stock Transfer (AKA green's) $ Value's, The 3rd Series USIR is not represtened, Large Type Narcotic. Tax Paids are also well represented. Of note the "Coin Opperated Amusement devices" is highly saught after. You could add a cotton tag, Cigar Strip, Provisional Cigar, Alcohol Warehouse, There are Several dozen large Special Tax Stamps (STS) You could add one, Alcohol Bottle Seal (Remember those Red or Green stamps over the cap), Their are MANY others Tax Paids depending how insane you want to get. Drop me an email and I will provide you with a few missing types.
Thanks, Dan. That was the goal, but it's really hard to know when to stop!
RevStampMan, I'm om my iPad this morning, but I'll get with you later. I really appreciate an experts' view. There are so many areas one can go crazy in.
Lars
"There are so many areas one can go crazy in. "
"Though you made a mistake in that you don't have a RVC. You DO have one on page 10 (bottom right). "
"You are missing a few types and style types. Off the top of my head you could add a 1st type Prop. (green and black, RB1-10), Stock Transfer (AKA green's) $ Value's, The 3rd Series USIR is not represtened, Large Type Narcotic."
"You could add a cotton tag, Cigar Strip, Provisional Cigar, Alcohol Warehouse"
"There are Several dozen large Special Tax Stamps (STS) You could add one, Alcohol Bottle Seal (Remember those Red or Green stamps over the cap)"
"Their are MANY other Tax Paids depending how insane you want to get. "
"My own personal Obsession is Patent License, Royalty Fee, and Copyright Stamps and related
"
"Drop me an email and I will provide you with a few missing types."
" Is a warehouse stamp different? "
"I don't want to get very carried away at all, really. I'm really looking for glaring holes in what I have."
"I've never even HEARD of Copyright stamps. I'd like to see an example of that. I do a lot of work involving copyright, so it's a natural interest."
I'm not kissing, either!
(I am, however, KIDDING! - sorry, couldn't help it)
Sorry about that, Fat Fingers, No Glasses = FUNNY POST
BTW - For the heck of it here is a partial list of non-Scott listed Revenue/Tax Paid's
NOT Including Special Tax Stamps (STS), that would add another 100+
Adulterated Butter Stamps
Export Adulterated Butter Stamps
Process or Renovated Butter Stamps
Oleomargarine Stamps
Colored Oleomargarine
Export Oleomargarine
Mixed Flour
Filled Cheese
Fermented Liquor
Beer Stamps
Brewers' Permit Stamps
Exported Fermented Liquor
Strip Cigar Stamps
Export Cigar
Cigar Stamps
Customs Small Cigar
Cigarette Stamps
Customs Cigarette
Snuff Stamps
Tobacco Stamps
Strip Tobacco
Exportation of Tobacco
Smoking Opium
Customs Opium
Denatured Alcohol
Distilled Spirits
Export Distilled Spirits
Customs Distilled Spirits
Distilled Spirits, Bottled in Bond
Case Stamps
Bottle Coupons
Export Distilled Spirits Stamps, Bottled in Bond
Case Stamps
Bottle Coupons
Rectified Spirits
Wholesale Liquor Dealer
Alcohol Warehouse
Distillery Warehouse
Re-Warehousing
General Bonded Warehouse
Transfer for General Bonded Warehouse
Re-Transfer for General Bonded Warehouse
Special Bonded Warehouse
Special Bonded Warehouse for Grape Brandy
Special Bonded Warehouse for Re-Warehousing Grape Brandy
Imported Wine and Malt Liquors
Fortified Sweet Wine
Fortified Sweet Wine for Exportation
Transfer of Grape Brandy
Special Stamps for Brandy Distilled from Apples, Peaches, or Grapes, Exclusively
Imported Liquor
Re-imported into United States Liquor
Hydrometer Labels
Lock Seals
No, I'm not Kissing Kidding
Thanks for the listing, RSM! I printed that off and I'll have to take a look through it.
Did you get the email I sent to you Saturday?
Lars
I'm sure I did. But, to be honest I haven't looked at my email since early Sat. Morning. I'll check tomorrow AM.
Hey Lars. Check out page 47 of the January 20, 2014, issue of Linns. They have a photo of an airmail cover with a 2 cent revenue paying the war tax. There also is information on the parcel post war tax.
The caption for the cover includes this: "...The 2 cents Documentary revenue stamp paid the required war tax on parcel post postage greater than 25 cents up to 50 cents..."
Also included in the article is the PMG's Order Number 884 from November 17, 1917, and an analysis of it.
Thanks for the heads-up, Michael!!!
At a show in Los Angeles many years ago, I asked a dealer if he had U.S. Revenue Stamps, he seemed upset about something. He said he was getting out of the U.S. Stamp market and just have foreign stamps from now on. He sold me a small box which he loaded all his U.S. Revenues for $85.00. There were many different kinds of revenues in this box, my point is there was about 6 or 7 examples of this 1917 War Tax Revenue Stamps still on the parcel post tag, thought maybe somebody here would like to see one of these.
You can identify off parcel post cancels by looking for the revenues with the parcel post double oval cancel, I've had some of these for many years and did not realize what I had!
Cool stuff, Lars.
Excellent USAFE7!
If you are interested in a trade for one of them, send me a PM and we can discuss. That is PRECISELY what I was talking about!
Lars
Larsdog
Exactly what is a PM?
"Private Message" click on member name and then where it says "Send a Message"
Bobby Barnhart
Thanks for the information on PM was, that was kind and helpful.
Again Thanks
David Thompson
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED
I've decided to give away one of my examples, see the image.
So send me a Stamped First Class Prepaid and address envelope. Who ever gets one to me first gets this example.
Good luck to all out there!
David Thompson
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED
Sorry everyone, somebody has gotten this one already from me!
A war tax was created in 1917 that included capital stock sales and promissory notes, among other things. An interesting item that was also included was "revenue stamps also will have to be affixed to parcel post package on which the postage amounts to 25 cents or more." (New York Times, November 29, 1917). It was clear that postage would be paid with normal postage stamps and the tax would be paid by revenue stamps and cancelled by the sender. The sender was to add their initials and the date in ink on the revenue stamp for cancellation, but the postage stamps were to be cancelled by the Post Office. Even though the act called for slits to be cut in a revenue stamp of 10 cents or more, Post Office Department Bulletin dated December 4, 1917 states: "The slitting with a knife or other instrument of tax stamps on parcel-post mail is not required." That same bulletin also directs that "only the postage chargeable thereon is considered; the fees paid for special delivery and insurance ... shall not be counted."
I went searching for an example on eBay and found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grip-Nut-Company-Illustrated-1918-P-Post-Tag-w-PP-Tax-Revenue-Whitley-IN-to-NYC-/350585690255?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a089188f
I'm not going to buy it, but it seems like an interesting example to analyze.
I have been reading the section on this very topic in Beecher and Wawrukiewicz, and their examples come from the Daniel Pagter Collection. As a side note, I swapped stamps with Dan back in 2005 when I was just getting started in serious collecting. I had no idea who he was and he was just as nice as he could be! I feel like a math major that just found out his middle school tutor was Albert Einstein! Back to the example at hand:
The first thing I noticed was that it has insurance for $100, which was 25 cents at the time of mailing. I see 31c written on the tag in manuscript, but that makes no sense since there is only 46c in postage. It was postmarked in Indiana, so this Chicago company apparently found a post office in Indiana that was in Zone 4 from New York. (Chicago to New York was Zone 5). I wonder if they found it cheaper to truck everything going to New York to this Indiana PO, and if they shopped around to find the closest PO to CLAIM they were Zone 4 from New York. In other words, would a Postmaster have an incentive to fudge a bit to increase revenue through his post office? Interesting sidebar. Anyway, Zone 4 postage was 7c for first pound and 4c each additional in April 1918. 7 pounds would be 31c postage for a total of 56c. Looking at the postmarks more closely, it appears that a stamp is missing at the bottom of the tag, likely a 10c stamp. So this tag was PROBABLY properly franked with 31c postage and 25c insurance and properly taxed on the 31c, but one of the 10c stamps is no longer on the tag.
Interesting.
Does anyone have a similar example? RevStampMan?
Lars
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
When you asked in the other post I thought that is what you were thinking of. I have seen them many times before. But I have never felt the compulsion to add them to the hoard.
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
RevStampMan,
I was thinking about adding a SINGLE example as an oddity. Actually, ALL of my revenues are "oddities" since I don't collect them. I tried to put together a reasonable ensemble of revenue examples and would appreciate your critique. I don't have a federal marihuana stamp (RJM*), Camp stamp (RVC*), or Trailer Permit (RVT*) yet. If you see anything else I'm missing that's a major category, or if I have mislabeled anything, I'd appreciate your advice, and if you have any damaged examples of RJM*, RVC* or RVT*, I'd be interested in working out a deal.
Here are the relevant pages from my collection:
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Lars, you dog you, what a lovely ensemble of the broad collecting field of Taxpaids. Thank you a bunch for the posting-each and every area has a ton of stuff that could be collected, should anyone get an appetite for a collection along a particular direction.
Thanks again for that.
Dan C.
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Larsdog,
Wow, Very Nice!
You have the Scott types pretty well covered! Though you made a mistake in that you don't have a RVC. You DO have one on page 10 (bottom right). You also have a Very Nice selection of Tax Paids as well. You are missing a few types and style types. Off the top of my head you could add a 1st type Prop. (green and black, RB1-10), Stock Transfer (AKA green's) $ Value's, The 3rd Series USIR is not represtened, Large Type Narcotic. Tax Paids are also well represented. Of note the "Coin Opperated Amusement devices" is highly saught after. You could add a cotton tag, Cigar Strip, Provisional Cigar, Alcohol Warehouse, There are Several dozen large Special Tax Stamps (STS) You could add one, Alcohol Bottle Seal (Remember those Red or Green stamps over the cap), Their are MANY others Tax Paids depending how insane you want to get. Drop me an email and I will provide you with a few missing types.
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Thanks, Dan. That was the goal, but it's really hard to know when to stop!
RevStampMan, I'm om my iPad this morning, but I'll get with you later. I really appreciate an experts' view. There are so many areas one can go crazy in.
Lars
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
"There are so many areas one can go crazy in. "
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
"Though you made a mistake in that you don't have a RVC. You DO have one on page 10 (bottom right). "
"You are missing a few types and style types. Off the top of my head you could add a 1st type Prop. (green and black, RB1-10), Stock Transfer (AKA green's) $ Value's, The 3rd Series USIR is not represtened, Large Type Narcotic."
"You could add a cotton tag, Cigar Strip, Provisional Cigar, Alcohol Warehouse"
"There are Several dozen large Special Tax Stamps (STS) You could add one, Alcohol Bottle Seal (Remember those Red or Green stamps over the cap)"
"Their are MANY other Tax Paids depending how insane you want to get. "
"My own personal Obsession is Patent License, Royalty Fee, and Copyright Stamps and related
"
"Drop me an email and I will provide you with a few missing types."
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
" Is a warehouse stamp different? "
"I don't want to get very carried away at all, really. I'm really looking for glaring holes in what I have."
"I've never even HEARD of Copyright stamps. I'd like to see an example of that. I do a lot of work involving copyright, so it's a natural interest."
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
I'm not kissing, either!
(I am, however, KIDDING! - sorry, couldn't help it)
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Sorry about that, Fat Fingers, No Glasses = FUNNY POST
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
BTW - For the heck of it here is a partial list of non-Scott listed Revenue/Tax Paid's
NOT Including Special Tax Stamps (STS), that would add another 100+
Adulterated Butter Stamps
Export Adulterated Butter Stamps
Process or Renovated Butter Stamps
Oleomargarine Stamps
Colored Oleomargarine
Export Oleomargarine
Mixed Flour
Filled Cheese
Fermented Liquor
Beer Stamps
Brewers' Permit Stamps
Exported Fermented Liquor
Strip Cigar Stamps
Export Cigar
Cigar Stamps
Customs Small Cigar
Cigarette Stamps
Customs Cigarette
Snuff Stamps
Tobacco Stamps
Strip Tobacco
Exportation of Tobacco
Smoking Opium
Customs Opium
Denatured Alcohol
Distilled Spirits
Export Distilled Spirits
Customs Distilled Spirits
Distilled Spirits, Bottled in Bond
Case Stamps
Bottle Coupons
Export Distilled Spirits Stamps, Bottled in Bond
Case Stamps
Bottle Coupons
Rectified Spirits
Wholesale Liquor Dealer
Alcohol Warehouse
Distillery Warehouse
Re-Warehousing
General Bonded Warehouse
Transfer for General Bonded Warehouse
Re-Transfer for General Bonded Warehouse
Special Bonded Warehouse
Special Bonded Warehouse for Grape Brandy
Special Bonded Warehouse for Re-Warehousing Grape Brandy
Imported Wine and Malt Liquors
Fortified Sweet Wine
Fortified Sweet Wine for Exportation
Transfer of Grape Brandy
Special Stamps for Brandy Distilled from Apples, Peaches, or Grapes, Exclusively
Imported Liquor
Re-imported into United States Liquor
Hydrometer Labels
Lock Seals
No, I'm not Kissing Kidding
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Thanks for the listing, RSM! I printed that off and I'll have to take a look through it.
Did you get the email I sent to you Saturday?
Lars
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
I'm sure I did. But, to be honest I haven't looked at my email since early Sat. Morning. I'll check tomorrow AM.
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Hey Lars. Check out page 47 of the January 20, 2014, issue of Linns. They have a photo of an airmail cover with a 2 cent revenue paying the war tax. There also is information on the parcel post war tax.
The caption for the cover includes this: "...The 2 cents Documentary revenue stamp paid the required war tax on parcel post postage greater than 25 cents up to 50 cents..."
Also included in the article is the PMG's Order Number 884 from November 17, 1917, and an analysis of it.
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Thanks for the heads-up, Michael!!!
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
At a show in Los Angeles many years ago, I asked a dealer if he had U.S. Revenue Stamps, he seemed upset about something. He said he was getting out of the U.S. Stamp market and just have foreign stamps from now on. He sold me a small box which he loaded all his U.S. Revenues for $85.00. There were many different kinds of revenues in this box, my point is there was about 6 or 7 examples of this 1917 War Tax Revenue Stamps still on the parcel post tag, thought maybe somebody here would like to see one of these.
You can identify off parcel post cancels by looking for the revenues with the parcel post double oval cancel, I've had some of these for many years and did not realize what I had!
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Cool stuff, Lars.
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Excellent USAFE7!
If you are interested in a trade for one of them, send me a PM and we can discuss. That is PRECISELY what I was talking about!
Lars
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Larsdog
Exactly what is a PM?
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
"Private Message" click on member name and then where it says "Send a Message"
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Bobby Barnhart
Thanks for the information on PM was, that was kind and helpful.
Again Thanks
David Thompson
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
I've decided to give away one of my examples, see the image.
So send me a Stamped First Class Prepaid and address envelope. Who ever gets one to me first gets this example.
Good luck to all out there!
David Thompson
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED
re: 1917 War Tax Revenue stamps
Sorry everyone, somebody has gotten this one already from me!