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General Philatelic/Identify This? : HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

 

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01 Jan 2014
08:51:58pm
I have broken a promise I made to myself when I first started collecting stamps and that was to never, never, ever start collecting world wide. Well I have broken that promise and now find myself wondering why I started this trip. Since I had a ton of British stamps stashed away, I started with them. With all the different watermarks, they are harder than the Washington/Franklins. Any way, need help on the attached scan. I know it is an Inland Revenue, but I cannot find it any where in my Scott Cat. Is it a variety of some sort or what?At Wits End

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michael78651

01 Jan 2014
10:07:48pm
re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

It is a revenue stamp. Thus, not listed by Scott.

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cocollectibles

02 Jan 2014
06:42:30am
re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

This fiscal/revenue stamp is listed in Gibbons as design 12, and from what I can tell from the scan, this is Die 4 (oval "O" for "One"; other characteristics are hard to tell on this image), so F22 (with small anchor WM) or F23 (with orb WM). It has a 2011 Empire and Commonwealth value of £8 and £4 respectively; however, even allowing for the more liberal policies about damage to fiscal stamps, this one is a space filler with no bottom perfs and short perfs around.

I actually find the Die differentiation more frustrating than the watermark identification of GB stamps, especially among the Victoria through KGV era. I believe people call it flyspecking, but IMHO it is far less tedious than trying to work with Washington/Franklin issues.

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Peter

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02 Jan 2014
08:53:42am
re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

The SG "F" catalogue numbers are for postal fiscals, i.e. for fiscal stamps used postally.

These listings and prices don't refer to the same stamps used for non-postal purposes.

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02 Jan 2014
09:13:53am
re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

Thanks everyone for the information. It has a small anchor WM and thus would make it an F22. I know it is kind of ratty, but will keep until a better one comes along. One more question. Other stamps in the Scott Cat, such as #88 and #89 have the words, Inland Revenue in the oval, but are preceded by the words "Postage and". So, can I assume (hate that word) that because Inland Revenue is preceded by Postage, that the stamp can be used for both and that because it is used for postage the stamp will show up in Scott? Whew
I do have an #89 and it has 16 dots. That is fly specking.

Thanks again for the information.

Mel

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michael78651

02 Jan 2014
10:15:53am
re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

Scott does list Postal-Fiscal stamps. They have the prefix "AF". Scott lists many such stamps in Australia and the Australian states. Scott does not list any under Great Britain.

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cocollectibles

02 Jan 2014
10:29:03am
re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

@Nigel, thanks for the clarification; I should have been clearer about the usage for these stamps.

Generally, I find the regular Scott catalogues inadequate for most of my British Empire stamp and fiscal collecting interests, and the Specialized Catalogue only marginally better. I rely on Gibbons for specific typing, errors, die types, etc. You may be able to get an older copy of the "Commonwealth and British Empire Stamps 1840-1970" if you're not as interested in current values, but more in identification and classification. There may even be a copy at your local library.

Cheers,
Peter

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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
01 Jan 2014
08:51:58pm

I have broken a promise I made to myself when I first started collecting stamps and that was to never, never, ever start collecting world wide. Well I have broken that promise and now find myself wondering why I started this trip. Since I had a ton of British stamps stashed away, I started with them. With all the different watermarks, they are harder than the Washington/Franklins. Any way, need help on the attached scan. I know it is an Inland Revenue, but I cannot find it any where in my Scott Cat. Is it a variety of some sort or what?At Wits End

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michael78651

01 Jan 2014
10:07:48pm

re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

It is a revenue stamp. Thus, not listed by Scott.

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cocollectibles

02 Jan 2014
06:42:30am

re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

This fiscal/revenue stamp is listed in Gibbons as design 12, and from what I can tell from the scan, this is Die 4 (oval "O" for "One"; other characteristics are hard to tell on this image), so F22 (with small anchor WM) or F23 (with orb WM). It has a 2011 Empire and Commonwealth value of £8 and £4 respectively; however, even allowing for the more liberal policies about damage to fiscal stamps, this one is a space filler with no bottom perfs and short perfs around.

I actually find the Die differentiation more frustrating than the watermark identification of GB stamps, especially among the Victoria through KGV era. I believe people call it flyspecking, but IMHO it is far less tedious than trying to work with Washington/Franklin issues.

Cheers,
Peter

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nigelc

02 Jan 2014
08:53:42am

re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

The SG "F" catalogue numbers are for postal fiscals, i.e. for fiscal stamps used postally.

These listings and prices don't refer to the same stamps used for non-postal purposes.

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mbo1142

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02 Jan 2014
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re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

Thanks everyone for the information. It has a small anchor WM and thus would make it an F22. I know it is kind of ratty, but will keep until a better one comes along. One more question. Other stamps in the Scott Cat, such as #88 and #89 have the words, Inland Revenue in the oval, but are preceded by the words "Postage and". So, can I assume (hate that word) that because Inland Revenue is preceded by Postage, that the stamp can be used for both and that because it is used for postage the stamp will show up in Scott? Whew
I do have an #89 and it has 16 dots. That is fly specking.

Thanks again for the information.

Mel

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michael78651

02 Jan 2014
10:15:53am

re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

Scott does list Postal-Fiscal stamps. They have the prefix "AF". Scott lists many such stamps in Australia and the Australian states. Scott does not list any under Great Britain.

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cocollectibles

02 Jan 2014
10:29:03am

re: HELP ID GREAT BRITAIN STAMP

@Nigel, thanks for the clarification; I should have been clearer about the usage for these stamps.

Generally, I find the regular Scott catalogues inadequate for most of my British Empire stamp and fiscal collecting interests, and the Specialized Catalogue only marginally better. I rely on Gibbons for specific typing, errors, die types, etc. You may be able to get an older copy of the "Commonwealth and British Empire Stamps 1840-1970" if you're not as interested in current values, but more in identification and classification. There may even be a copy at your local library.

Cheers,
Peter

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