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United States/Stamps : 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

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davefor
22 Nov 2013
03:10:05pm
I have tried to find a good source of information on ID'ing these stamps but can't really find one with pics and an explanation. Most are just basic but I want something more indepth, any ideas please? Thanks Dave
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dani20
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22 Nov 2013
03:53:32pm
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Dave,
Have you tried:
http://www.1847usa.com/

Best,
Dan C.

(Modified by Moderator on 2013-11-22 17:58:23)

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davefor
25 Nov 2013
11:52:01am
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Hi Dan, thanks, yes I have tried that site but nothing in detail there either.

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dani20
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25 Nov 2013
12:31:21pm
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Perhaps raising the question on this site may be of some value:

us_specialized@yahoogroups.com

Good luck,
Dan C.

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mbo1142
25 Nov 2013
01:34:16pm
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Dave,

Do you have access to Paul Schmid's book, The Expert's Book a Practical Guide to the Authentication of United States Stamps, Washington/Franklin Issues 1908-1923. If you don't, let me know and I will send you via email the pages regarding blue paper.

Mel

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25 Nov 2013
10:42:35pm
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

I don't collect those, but 357-366 have a CV of over $65,000. Only 357 and 358 are under $1000 each. (One other bluish paper stamp - 369 - has a CV of $225 or so).

If you want to personally ID those stamps, you may want to focus on 357, 358, and 369. Get examples with a cert or send off examples you think are legit for a cert. Once you are convinced that you can personally identify the genuine article, you may want to venture out into 359-366 territory.

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mbo1142
26 Nov 2013
10:39:28am
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Dave

Another site to visit is: www.jamesdire.net/W-F. A nice site for Washington/Franklin ID. Scroll down the home page and he shows a picture of bluish paper next to regular paper.

Mel


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michael78651
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26 Nov 2013
01:57:57pm
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Nicve site, Mel. Thanks for posting the link.

One thing to point out is that the "bluish" paper actually appear more grayish than blue. The image is real good at showing that.

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USAFE7
31 Dec 2014
12:57:00am
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

davefor

When I had a large lot, I would check for the Bluish Papers by looking at the reverse side of all the stamps at one time, but with a large orange colored poster board that the stamps were viewed on. In all my years I've only found three bluish paper stamps, but an old collector taught me this trick. The bluish paper stamps will pop out at you with an orange background.

Another thing to look for is black spots on reverse.

The watermark will also be extremely easy to see on a bluish paper. On other than bluish paper stamps sometimes you can find copies where were the first pass on the dandy roll, but the bluish paper watermarks are always must easier to see.

Hold the bluish paper stamps at a sharp angle, which makes it very easy to identify these difficult stamps.

In all my years of collecting, have only found three of these.

One trick I use, is to carry with me a small orange square, to check stamps at shows or on bid boards.

DAVID THOMPSON
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED


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philatelia
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31 Dec 2014
05:48:40am
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Excellent tip!

In a similar vein, I bought a large piece of black matte cardboard to cover the top of my stamp work area. It helps me catch short perfs and other flaws much more easily.

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31 Dec 2014
09:51:36am
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

eBay listing number 150568793731 shows a genuine Scott 366 with good quality images that may give you a better sense of what bluish paper looks like.

You could consider saving a copy of that image and printing it on a color laser printer as a reference copy. While the image scanning process and the printing process will introduce errors of color, it could be useful to eliminate obviously non-bluish stamps, especially in combination with the orange paper trick recommended above.

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michael78651
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31 Dec 2014
12:37:56pm
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

One thing to remember is that the "bluish" paper is actually more grayish than blue.

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USAFE7
04 Jan 2015
08:32:03pm
re: 1909 Bluish Paper Stamps?

Hi All

I was thinking I should show what I mean, show the results of using orange background when looking for the bluish paper stamps.

So here goes"

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Now the bluish paper stamp here is mint, but you'll see the same result with used stamps!

Can you decide which stamp is on bluish paper? I'm sure everyone can determine which is on bluish paper.

DAVID THOMPSON
MSGT/USAF/RETIRED

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